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[AlanC9]

LeVaughnX wrote...
 The ending of Shepard's story / Mass Effect 3 is ****ed. It ruined EAwares reputation in the eyes of the true fans

What's the definition of "true fans," again? People who agree with you?

[Binary_Helix 1]

What's the definition of whiners? People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended?

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[res27772]

dasGleamer wrote...

8 months later and i still can't look at any of the games without a feeling of being let down.  destroyed a masterpiece with these shenanigans.

hope it feels good to sell out bioware...i can only hope future sales reflect the disrespect towards fans

I know how you feel... I've tried several times to start new games with ME1, but I can't even get past the initial arrival at the Citadel any more, because I think "What's the point?  None of this matters!".  And that's closely followed by the realisation that I won't be able to use this character in ME3 because of the import issue, so can't finish the story with it... and that's always the catalyst (no pun intended) for me deleting the new game and going on to something else.

[AlanC9]

daecath wrote...
However, there are some things about the ending issue that aren't "completely" subjective. 
Introduce brand new character at the very end
Gave new character god-like powers to magically end the conflict with a push of a button
Introduced new theme at the very end
Introduce new unprecedented technology at the very end

All of those things are factual, provable statements.

I don't think the italed ones are factual , at least not as phrased here. Assuming the "new" theme is synthetic/organic conflict, that appears all through ME1. And the new character doesn't have any power to do anything; the only person who can push any buttons is Shepard himself. Reading the Catalyst as powerful in the endings is simply a mistake -- he didn't design the Crucible, and the Reapers did their best to prevent Shepard from using it.

Edit: if you want to say that the series had moved past synthetic/organic conflict and shouldn't have revived the concept in the last five minutes, that's a defensible position, though I still wouldn't call it factual.

I'm also not clear why you think rushing is the big issue here. Your reading of the ending is that it's conceptually bad, not that it didn't have enough time put into it. Unless you think more time would have led them to write a completely different ending, and I don't see any particular reason to think that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:19 .

[SNascimento]

Well, it's very hard to accept ME3's original endigns so I don't blame you for not being able to. But the EC changed it a lot, should have been enough for people like you.

[Kesak12]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

dasGleamer wrote...

8 months later and i still can't look at any of the games without a feeling of being let down.  destroyed a masterpiece with these shenanigans.

hope it feels good to sell out bioware...i can only hope future sales reflect the disrespect towards fans

It ruined my spring, and it ruined part of my summer. It is because I "first person" role play and become the character. 1200 hrs of Shepard. My canon play. My first play of the game. My truly honest no metagaming play. March 22 2010 @ 3:20 am. threw me into a deep 3 week depression that took months to recover from. I need to wait until an RPG is out a month and find out what kind of ending it has from here on. I don't want to go through this again.

This. Still think i am still recovering for the depression a little. Lost all intrest in any video game for awhile and regained it after about 4 months.

[Biotic Sage]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

What's the definition of whiners? People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended?

I have a hard time believing that message boards were "intended" to be a place where the same people create threads with the same content/thesis statement in varying forms of prose over and over again for months on end.  However, if this was indeed the intended purpose of message boards, then "People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended" is the exact definition of whiners.

[AlanC9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

What's the definition of whiners? People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended?

Huh? Look, I know you're mad at me because I said you had a horrible idea  -- it was that buying property thing, right? I guess I should have gone into detail why it was a horrible idea rather than just stating my opinion like that -- but if LeVaughnX wants to toss around terms like "true fan" in a way that includes some fans but not others, he's got to expect to be asked about it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Then grab a PC copy of ME3 for cheap, or borrow one. There's an ending mod on the Fan Creations forum for ME3 that excises the Catalyst and grants Shep a reunion with the Normandy crew. If you absolutely cannot get your hands on a PC version of ME3, there are always the Youtube video links on the mod thread.

I know some people have this block about modding, like if every line wasn't stamped by BioWare, it's somehow not ok. But since there will be nothing additional for the endings, modding is our only recourse if we want different ones, and IMO there's something very satisfying about getting a happy ending in your own game.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

What's the definition of whiners? People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended?

I have a hard time believing that message boards were "intended" to be a place where the same people create threads with the same content/thesis statement in varying forms of prose over and over again for months on end. However, if this was indeed the intended purpose of message boards, then "People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended" is the exact definition of whiners.

How many times do bloggers need to remind us bad things happen and politicians aren't doing anything about it? The ten thousandth time was probably enough but that's not really the point. Ideas are being conveyed and there is a receptive audience that wants to engage in discourse around that. Only passion (love or hate) can keep people engaged like that.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

What's the definition of whiners? People who use message boards for the purpose they were intended?

Huh? Look, I know you're mad at me because I said you had a horrible idea  -- it was that buying property thing, right? I guess I should have gone into detail why it was a horrible idea rather than just stating my opinion like that -- but if LeVaughnX wants to toss around terms like "true fan" in a way that includes some fans but not others, he's got to expect to be asked about it.

Don't be silly our disagreements go way back and although I strongly dislike a few people here you're not one them.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:59 .

[Nicodemus]

What I find indefensible was that they had to make the EC in the first place. the EC should have been the ORIGINAL ending for the game and not the total cluster f*** we got.

While I still hate the endings at least the EC tried to clear up some of the issues, if we'd had it to begin with I think a lot of people would not have felt as badly let down as they did. Even so it still gives folks the feeling that they rushed the game and had to spend time afterwards trying to fix it.

I can appreciate folks saying that it makes the trilogy almost unplayable as the unpalatable conclusion does tend to make wanting to start from the beginning somewhat pointless.

As a gamer who started on the old Atari 2600 back in the 70's, I've seen a lot of good and bad games as the medium has developed, and have to admit that ME3 is the first time a game has actually disappointed me so much that I've not only taken a break from gaming, but have begun to question exactly what product I am getting for my money. Too many games now promise a lot and deliver so little, or try and deliver on their promise but have to compromise because of time/funding issues. I understand that money has to be made on the investment but when it is getting to the stage of delivering an incomplete game and then charging more for DLC to help complete the game you have to ask the questions about why.

As it is, I've decided not to buy any DLC for ME3 until it is confirmed that there is no more. Then I'll make a decision on if I'll buy any or not. Until then the SP game of ME3 is of no interest to me, which is a sad indication that something went horribly wrong as I did multiple play throughs of the first 2.

[darthoptimus003]

The op is right. They lied and stole from us and they still have no intention of fixing this well I'm almost to the point that I'm going to call the FTC and file a complaint because this is bs. I spent time and money and I have yet to receive what I paid for if this makes me a whinner so be it I will not be stolen from so blatantly and yes I can still file one. I'm not going to just yet. But I will if this doesn't get fixed soon because this is not what I paid for

[Cashmoney007]

LeVaughnX wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

OP I'm not trying to be rude, or put you down, but you need to try, and get over this.

Just stop thinking about it, play some other games. Hang out with some friends or whatever.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Only because of the fcuk load of backlash they recieved and they gave it in ill grace. Artistic integrity, anyone? They didn't do it purely out of the goodness of their hearts.

'They' are mainly Mac and Casey but everyone must take responsibility for a joint project. 

Fine. I honestly don't care if you're that pissed off at them. 

Just trying to understand. I still don't get it, but I suppose I don't need to. 

Buddy - if you don't like hearing the true fans, the intelligent human beings who feel cheated and ****ed out of 5 years of their lives complain about something thats logical to complain about - then just don't read / respond. You obviously weren't here from the start of things, you probably didn't actually "get into the series" - so just stop. There is a reason that many people are complaining and will not stop complaining. Its because we feel "cheated". Anytime you invest your time and money into something that brings you joy - then to be led on by said object/thing and having your expectations raised through the roof - only to be **** on in the end, its bad. It's like if someone bought a new Mario game except the finale had guns in it - that's bad game design and it would make a lot of people go "What the ****?" especially if the developers said ""thats the last time you'll see Mario - he got gunned down by gang bangers, thats the end - goodbye!"". THEN imagine they released a new ending to this Mario game and it features Luigi shooting Mario down after Mario gets a 1up or something - it would just feel like a **** stain on your soul.

Heck Yeah!  Mario - GTA edition - M for Mature - This time it is personal!  

They had an episode like that on Robot Chicken.

Mass effect 4 - The tomb raider edition - She is going to mess up some reapers or whatever threat is out there!

Mass effect 4 - M. Night Shyamalan edition - this time with a new twist!

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:43 .

[dorktainian]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

OP I'm not trying to be rude, or put you down, but you need to try, and get over this.

Just stop thinking about it, play some other games. Hang out with some friends or whatever.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Only because of the fcuk load of backlash they recieved and they gave it in ill grace. Artistic integrity, anyone? They didn't do it purely out of the goodness of their hearts.

'They' are mainly Mac and Casey but everyone must take responsibility for a joint project. 

Fine. I honestly don't care if you're that pissed off at them. 

Just trying to understand. I still don't get it, but I suppose I don't need to. 

Buddy - if you don't like hearing the true fans, the intelligent human beings who feel cheated and ****ed out of 5 years of their lives complain about something thats logical to complain about - then just don't read / respond. You obviously weren't here from the start of things, you probably didn't actually "get into the series" - so just stop. There is a reason that many people are complaining and will not stop complaining. Its because we feel "cheated". Anytime you invest your time and money into something that brings you joy - then to be led on by said object/thing and having your expectations raised through the roof - only to be **** on in the end, its bad. It's like if someone bought a new Mario game except the finale had guns in it - that's bad game design and it would make a lot of people go "What the ****?" especially if the developers said ""thats the last time you'll see Mario - he got gunned down by gang bangers, thats the end - goodbye!"". THEN imagine they released a new ending to this Mario game and it features Luigi shooting Mario down after Mario gets a 1up or something - it would just feel like a **** stain on your soul.

Heck Yeah!  Mario - GTA edition - M for Mature - This time it is personal!  

They had an episode like that on Robot Chicken.

Mass effect 4 - The tomb raider edition - She is going to mess up some reapers or whatever threat is out there!

Mass effect 4 - M. Night Shyamalan edition - this time with a new twist!

or how about ME4, not written in crayon (sorry mummy)?

[Jere85]

I feel you OP.

[Da_old_Boss]

Me either... Me either...

[KingZayd]

yup

[Cashmoney007]

dorktainian wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

OP I'm not trying to be rude, or put you down, but you need to try, and get over this.

Just stop thinking about it, play some other games. Hang out with some friends or whatever.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Only because of the fcuk load of backlash they recieved and they gave it in ill grace. Artistic integrity, anyone? They didn't do it purely out of the goodness of their hearts.

'They' are mainly Mac and Casey but everyone must take responsibility for a joint project. 

Fine. I honestly don't care if you're that pissed off at them. 

Just trying to understand. I still don't get it, but I suppose I don't need to. 

Buddy - if you don't like hearing the true fans, the intelligent human beings who feel cheated and ****ed out of 5 years of their lives complain about something thats logical to complain about - then just don't read / respond. You obviously weren't here from the start of things, you probably didn't actually "get into the series" - so just stop. There is a reason that many people are complaining and will not stop complaining. Its because we feel "cheated". Anytime you invest your time and money into something that brings you joy - then to be led on by said object/thing and having your expectations raised through the roof - only to be **** on in the end, its bad. It's like if someone bought a new Mario game except the finale had guns in it - that's bad game design and it would make a lot of people go "What the ****?" especially if the developers said ""thats the last time you'll see Mario - he got gunned down by gang bangers, thats the end - goodbye!"". THEN imagine they released a new ending to this Mario game and it features Luigi shooting Mario down after Mario gets a 1up or something - it would just feel like a **** stain on your soul.

Heck Yeah!  Mario - GTA edition - M for Mature - This time it is personal!  

They had an episode like that on Robot Chicken.

Mass effect 4 - The tomb raider edition - She is going to mess up some reapers or whatever threat is out there!

Mass effect 4 - M. Night Shyamalan edition - this time with a new twist!

or how about ME4, not written in crayon (sorry mummy)?

not bad...

Mass Effect 4 - colors of the rainbow - don't pick red!

[shepskisaac]

haha I love how you made this this 3 minutes after "Why ME3 will win GOTY" article was posted. Got mad much?

[CDR David Shepard]

In my honest opinion...I feel that if the ending ruins the entire series for you...then you weren't that much of a fan of the Mass Effect series and universe to begin with.

[Mathias]

IsaacShep wrote...

haha I love how you made this this 3 minutes after "Why ME3 will win GOTY" article was posted. Got mad much?

I think you're thinking too much into it. This thread gets made at least once every couple days.

[Mathias]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

In my honest opinion...I feel that if the ending ruins the entire series for you...then you weren't that much of a fan of the Mass Effect series and universe to begin with.

Why is it so hard to understand that a really bad destination can ruin the journey? I still love Mass Effect 1&2, but i can't bring myself to play through those games again. The ending completely killed the replay value of the trilogy for me. But if you're gonna accuse me of not being a fan of the series for that, then that's an opinion that i'm gonna have a problem with, because it's BS.

The fact that people who hated the ending are still on the BSN 8 months later speaks volumes. It shows just how much passion they had for the series, and to say they aren't fans is ridiculous.

[shepskisaac]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

haha I love how you made this this 3 minutes after "Why ME3 will win GOTY" article was posted. Got mad much?

I think you're thinking too much into it. This thread gets made at least once every couple days.

Nope. OP posted it literally 3 minutes after raging in "ME3 will win GOTY" thread lol

[CDR David Shepard]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

In my honest opinion...I feel that if the ending ruins the entire series for you...then you weren't that much of a fan of the Mass Effect series and universe to begin with.

Why is it so hard to understand that a really bad destination can ruin the journey? I still love Mass Effect 1&2, but i can't bring myself to play through those games again. The ending completely killed the replay value of the trilogy for me. But if you're gonna accuse me of not being a fan of the series for that, then that's an opinion that i'm gonna have a problem with, because it's BS.

The fact that people who hated the ending are still on the BSN 8 months later speaks volumes. It shows just how much passion they had for the series, and to say they aren't fans is ridiculous.

Yes...and instead of praising a game that they have so much passion for they constantly make threads sh***ing on Bioware and exclaiming how much the ending "destroyed the series".

8 months later...they are still sh***ing on bioware and exclaiming how much the ending "destroyed the series".

If you can't look back 8 months later in retrospec and see how great of a series and universe we were given...instead of simply focusing on the ending you disliked and how it "destroyed the series"....then in my opinion...you may have been a fan...but no...you weren't that big of a fan to begin with.

That's just my opinion.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:07 .