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[frostajulie]

I feel you OP the ending really killed my desire to play in this universe. When I do play ME1 and ME2 I love it but the desire is just gone now. and it is because I know how it ends. I cannot bear to play ME3 at all its such utter crap. I too wish I had not geeked out over the series and gotten all fangirl about it, but ME1 and 2 delivered such awesome satisfaction that I never would have seen this coming. This disappointment ending rage hate has nothing to do with unrealistic expectations but everything to do with the expectation that the 3rd installment in the trilogy would deliver an as emotionally satisfying journey and ending as the previous 2 installments in the series. The ending of ME3 was a slap in the face to the themes of the series and the fans who loved and supported such themes. THere is nothing artistic about them a can of sh*t is still a can of sh*t even if the creator wants to call it art and it still stinks.

[Leem_0001]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Yate wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

These threads, they'll just keep on popping up. And BioWare has only themselves to blame. All I can say to the OP is you are hardly alone. And you aren't part of some vocal 'minority.' (that phrase still makes me laugh )

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

I love the endings (exclusively with EC and Leviathan), but no: they are not a minority. They are a significant group of people in the hard core fan base and even though it can be tiresome at times to read the same suff about disappointment here, they are still entitled to their opinion and have all the right to express it here in a civil manner. 

And it was never about being sane or intelligent. People who love the ending and people who hate the ending come from very different places regarding their opinion. Even those who like the ending like it for slightly different reasons. It's all based on personal tastes, views on the World and life in general, life experiences, religious views, core values, personality, culture and coutry of origin etc.. 

It's not that hard to understand their reasons, even if I personally happen to disagree with them. What I don't like is that someone questions my level of intelligence for my opinion or who desperately wants to prove me wrong and convince me, and aggressive attitude... that makes me aggresive and arrogant too. 

Though sometimes I find some people's reactions to the ending and their level of immersion a bit over the top.

This! Exactly this!

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

These threads, they'll just keep on popping up. And BioWare has only themselves to blame. All I can say to the OP is you are hardly alone. And you aren't part of some vocal 'minority.' (that phrase still makes me laugh )

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

No True Scotsman 

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

You're implying (more than implying, really) that those who disliked the endings are somehow lesser or not "true" Mass Effect fans.  That their opinions and analyses are invalid.

Even if there will be no further changes to the endings, Bioware screwed up royally with a huge number of their fans.

I daresay I'm older than you, and I don't appreciate being told, after three games of building up friendships and alliances, that coexistence cannot be created, it can only be imposed from above

[Tootles FTW]

I'm sorry, but allow me to point out:

Yate wrote...

When you understand what a period is, then you may have the right to complain.

Until then, quit playing video games and go back to school.

Yate wrote...

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

[Kel Riever]

Yate wins for accepting my friend request. That is all.

[GimmeDaGun]

Yate wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Yate wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

These threads, they'll just keep on popping up. And BioWare has only themselves to blame. All I can say to the OP is you are hardly alone. And you aren't part of some vocal 'minority.' (that phrase still makes me laugh )

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

Sadly it's true. People with taste and intelligence are always a minority.

people with taste and intelligence don't cry about a video game online

People with taste and intelligente can discuss their disappointment about a video game online if they do it in an intelligent manner and with fashion. Why not? 

Complaining and discussing =/= crying, whining

And lets not forget, that we are here too discussing a video game. Is it childish and infantile in a way? Hell yes! But it is our geeky-nerdy side. We can't deny it, so we might as well embrace it. In real life I have like two friends and colauges who love and play ME. So this forum is a nice place to discuss the game I love (and practicing English also), no matter how weird it might look to those who don't like games at all... and it's just one of my "strange" hobbies.

[Shatterhand1701]

Oh, for the love of all that's holy...

Please do tell us all for the billionteenth time how much you all hate the endings.

Look, I get it, you know? I was just as let down by the endings as everyone else when they were first seen. However, I'm one of the happy few who finished the Extended Cut and felt satisfied by what Bioware did to try and alleviate some of the worst issues. The fact that they even made the effort to address fans concerns AT ALL impressed me, especially since they could've easily said the more eloquent version of, "F*ck all y'all, it is what it is, so get over it". Was it the best solution? Maybe not, but it was an effort they weren't under any obligation to make, despite what any of you may say or believe. They weren't obligated to do ANYTHING for us in regards to those endings. You need to understand that. You can talk all you want about promises and storylines and even claims of false advertising, and every other justification that satisfies your personal opinions all you want, but in the end, they would've been perfectly within their rights to do nothing at all.

You don't have to kiss their asses for what Bioware did via the Extended Cut, and that's not really what I'm doing, though it may seem otherwise. Obviously the embittered masses aren't going to lower their fists of rage about this, and realistically, they don't have to. But what they really need to do, for their own senses of well-being, is come to terms with the fact that as much as they continue to complain, they're not going to see anything more done to assuage them. Bioware did all they intended to do to satisfy fan reactions. Whether all of you think it was enough or not is irrelevant at this point; Bioware's moving on, and sad to say, you really need to as well.

If you choose not to, you've got no one to blame for the salt and lemon juice being sprinkled on the open wounds but yourselves.

[DeinonSlayer]

^ This.

[Iakus]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Oh, for the love of all that's holy...

Please do tell us all for the billionteenth time how much you all hate the endings.

Look, I get it, you know? I was just as let down by the endings as everyone else when they were first seen. However, I'm one of the happy few who finished the Extended Cut and felt satisfied by what Bioware did to try and alleviate some of the worst issues. The fact that they even made the effort to address fans concerns AT ALL impressed me, especially since they could've easily said the more eloquent version of, "F*ck all y'all, it is what it is, so get over it". Was it the best solution? Maybe not, but it was an effort they weren't under any obligation to make, despite what any of you may say or believe. They weren't obligated to do ANYTHING for us in regards to those endings. You need to understand that. You can talk all you want about promises and storylines and even claims of false advertising, and every other justification that satisfies your personal opinions all you want, but in the end, they would've been perfectly within their rights to do nothing at all.

You don't have to kiss their asses for what Bioware did via the Extended Cut, and that's not really what I'm doing, though it may seem otherwise. Obviously the embittered masses aren't going to lower their fists of rage about this, and realistically, they don't have to. But what they really need to do, for their own senses of well-being, is come to terms with the fact that as much as they continue to complain, they're not going to see anything more done to assuage them. Bioware did all they intended to do to satisfy fan reactions. Whether all of you think it was enough or not is irrelevant at this point; Bioware's moving on, and sad to say, you really need to as well.

If you choose not to, you've got no one to blame for the salt and lemon juice being sprinkled on the open wounds but yourselves.

"I'm happy so STFU"

[Shatterhand1701]

iakus wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Oh, for the love of all that's holy...

Please do tell us all for the billionteenth time how much you all hate the endings.

Look, I get it, you know? I was just as let down by the endings as everyone else when they were first seen. However, I'm one of the happy few who finished the Extended Cut and felt satisfied by what Bioware did to try and alleviate some of the worst issues. The fact that they even made the effort to address fans concerns AT ALL impressed me, especially since they could've easily said the more eloquent version of, "F*ck all y'all, it is what it is, so get over it". Was it the best solution? Maybe not, but it was an effort they weren't under any obligation to make, despite what any of you may say or believe. They weren't obligated to do ANYTHING for us in regards to those endings. You need to understand that. You can talk all you want about promises and storylines and even claims of false advertising, and every other justification that satisfies your personal opinions all you want, but in the end, they would've been perfectly within their rights to do nothing at all.

You don't have to kiss their asses for what Bioware did via the Extended Cut, and that's not really what I'm doing, though it may seem otherwise. Obviously the embittered masses aren't going to lower their fists of rage about this, and realistically, they don't have to. But what they really need to do, for their own senses of well-being, is come to terms with the fact that as much as they continue to complain, they're not going to see anything more done to assuage them. Bioware did all they intended to do to satisfy fan reactions. Whether all of you think it was enough or not is irrelevant at this point; Bioware's moving on, and sad to say, you really need to as well.

If you choose not to, you've got no one to blame for the salt and lemon juice being sprinkled on the open wounds but yourselves.

"I'm happy so STFU"

If that's truly what you got from what I wrote, then at the very least I know you didn't really read what I said and just gleaned that I don't agree with you.  Suit yourself, if you wish to believe that's all I said.

And hey, you've got every right to be unhappy.  I'm in no way telling you not to be.  I'm just recommending to those who continue to have this expectation of "If I keep complaining long enough and often enough, maybe Bioware will somehow come to their senses and give me what I want" to brace themselves for a long, long period of continued disappointment.  It all seems borderline masochistic but If that's your kink, have at it.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Teddie Sage]

frostajulie wrote...

I feel you OP the ending really killed my desire to play in this universe. When I do play ME1 and ME2 I love it but the desire is just gone now. and it is because I know how it ends. I cannot bear to play ME3 at all its such utter crap. I too wish I had not geeked out over the series and gotten all fangirl about it, but ME1 and 2 delivered such awesome satisfaction that I never would have seen this coming. This disappointment ending rage hate has nothing to do with unrealistic expectations but everything to do with the expectation that the 3rd installment in the trilogy would deliver an as emotionally satisfying journey and ending as the previous 2 installments in the series. The ending of ME3 was a slap in the face to the themes of the series and the fans who loved and supported such themes. THere is nothing artistic about them a can of sh*t is still a can of sh*t even if the creator wants to call it art and it still stinks.

Quoted for truth.

[Kel Riever]

Honestly, while I have my occasional mock, people are obviously entitled to their opinions, and if soneone wants to post incessantly about it, I have no problem with that, because I enjoy my own incessant posts. But you know, for my own sake, I try to reserve my making fun for the company who made the game and sold it to me. Yeah, I deviate...shut it! Anyway, personal opinions only really cross the line when it seems people are upset that more people don't think like them.

If you like the ending, for true, I have no problem with you. But I do think the ending(s) SUCK, and I don't really see a problem with me or anyone who keeps posting about it. If you don't like it, don't read the thread. Hell, I don't read a lot of the ending lover threads. And I don't get upset that an ending lover is posting repeatedly.

Now...back to fun times...!

[Tootles FTW]

I have a harder time understanding people who come into a particular forum post, knowing the subject matter, and feel the need to (repeatedly) interject their opinion that they dislike another opinion. And I'm not specifically referring to the recent posters who give well thought-out responses with valid points to counter.

@Shatterhand - I agree in part. I constantly bounce back & forth between how I feel on the subject of Mass Effect at any given point in time. I haven't seen anyone expecting Bioware to change the endings recently, but what *I'd* like - a little dialogue with fans - isn't unreasonable...especially when you KNOW that they'll be in full apologetic/conciliatory mode when Mass Effect 4 is on the horizon, which makes their current silence more frustrating.

I'm not even asking them to do a 'mea culpa' and declare the endings to be a turd - I would just like to hear their defense. How did they come up with the Catalyst, why, and how does it fit in with the themes of the series? I would like their explanation, not fan speculation.

[Iakus]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

iakus wrote...
"I'm happy so STFU"

If that's truly what you got from what I wrote, then at the very least I know you didn't really read what I said and just gleaned that I don't agree with you.  Suit yourself, if you wish to believe that's all I said.

And hey, you've got every right to be unhappy.  I'm in no way telling you not to be.  I'm just recommending to those who continue to have this expectation of "If I keep complaining long enough and often enough, maybe Bioware will somehow come to their senses and give me what I want" to brace themselves for a long, long period of continued disappointment.  If that's your kink, have at it; just seems rather masochistic to cling to a hope that will never be fulfilled.

You're telling people to be grateful for EC (which was good enough for you) and to either shut up or move on.  And any misery derived from the endings is entirely self-inflicted  Sounds like my phrase was pretty accurate to me

I got my ending, as my sig shows.  That's not why I'm here anymore.  But people still have every right to continue complaining to Bioware, for all the good it'll do.  If not for this game, then the next.  I'd rather not have to wait a year after a game's release to get a mod that actually gives a satisfactory ending.  Though I would likely save some money that way... I like things internally consistent, I'm funny that way.

I actually have some doubts that complaints or feedback will work anyway, as EC has shown that "listening" seems to be similar to the husbands in sitcoms who nod and go "Uh huh" to their wives while they continue to watch the game on tv.

Modifié par iakus, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[SpamBot2000]

Seems they wanted to destroy it... mission accomplished. If you think that crapfest was a good faith attempt to conclude the series in a satisfying way, you have a scandalously low opinion of the character and intelligence of these individuals.

[Shatterhand1701]

iakus wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

iakus wrote...
"I'm happy so STFU"

If that's truly what you got from what I wrote, then at the very least I know you didn't really read what I said and just gleaned that I don't agree with you.  Suit yourself, if you wish to believe that's all I said.

And hey, you've got every right to be unhappy.  I'm in no way telling you not to be.  I'm just recommending to those who continue to have this expectation of "If I keep complaining long enough and often enough, maybe Bioware will somehow come to their senses and give me what I want" to brace themselves for a long, long period of continued disappointment.  If that's your kink, have at it; just seems rather masochistic to cling to a hope that will never be fulfilled.

You're telling people to be grateful for EC (which was good enough for you) and to either shut up or move on.  And any misery derived from the endings is entirely self-inflicted  Sounds like my phrase was pretty accurate to me

I got my ending, as my sig shows.  That's not why I'm here anymore.  But people still have every right to continue complaining to Bioware, for all the good it'll do.  If not for this game, then the next.  I'd rather not have to wait a year after a game's release to get a mod that actually gives a satisfactory ending.  Though I would likely save some money that way... I like things internally consistent, I'm funny that way.

I actually have some doubts that complaints or feedback will work anyway, as EC has shown that "listening" seems to be similar to the husbands in sitcoms who nod and go "Uh huh" to their wives while they continue to watch the game on tv.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on your interpretation of my statements thus far, which is fine.  I thought I was fairly clear in my meaning, but then again, everything is always open to interpretation.

And we're DEFINITELY on opposite sides as to the Extended Cut.  I think your interpretation of it would be more appropriate had Bioware done nothing at all.  The attempt may seem half-hearted to you, but it was an attempt rather than the equivalent of a dismissive handwave.

Tootles FTW: Actually, I think your idea is perfectly reasonable.  A down-to-earth discussion, free of jargon and business-friendly BS, regarding the thought processes behind the endings and the adjustments made in the Extended Cut to address them would be ideal.  I think it would go a long way to give those still feeling let down/betrayed some of the reasons why from the opposite side of the coin.

[Islandrockzor]

I was ok with the ending. I think it may have helped that my first complete playthrough was after EC, despite pre-purchasing the collector's edition and claiming it on release day. Doing the Leviathan content before getting to the ending also helped build it up.

[clarkusdarkus]

Agreed op, ME3 single handedly turned me away from the series and put that with DA2/TOR then bioware really are mediocre nowadays...........

[LandoCalrisian]

I still can't believe these threads keep popping up.

Lots of us liked the ending. Bioware choosing to end the story in a way YOU didn't like = "selling out"? Go upstairs and ask your mommy what selling out means. And then ask her for money to buy you the next DLC even though the series is "destroyed".

[Iakus]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on your interpretation of my statements thus far, which is fine.  I thought I was fairly clear in my meaning, but then again, everything is always open to interpretation.

And we're DEFINITELY on opposite sides as to the Extended Cut.  I think your interpretation of it would be more appropriate had Bioware done nothing at all.  The attempt may seem half-hearted to you, but it was an attempt rather than the equivalent of a dismissive handwave.

EC does assure us that, yay, we didn't kill the galaxy, which is something.  but it does not address the fundamental weaknesss of the endings, namely:

1) Shepard cannot win on his own terms

2) Related to #1, the thematic shift from "finding your own path" and "strength through cooperation" becomes "coexistence cannot be created, it can only be imposed" as shown by the three "solutions:

a) Completely eliminate one side (Destruction)
Impose peace through force (Control)
c) Forced alteration of everyone to fit the Catalyst's version of "perfection" (Synthesis)
d) Find your own path, die like everyone else (Refuse)

3) The all-but-railroaded death of Shepard, regardless of choice.  Which completely dispels the illusion of choice.

To my mind, the best thing about EC is it provided the raw materials needed for MEHEM to be made.

[Kel Riever]

Just wishing instead of MEHEM, there was DLC that would cut to credits right after 'The best seats in the house.' I'd even pay for that. Give it to me as a renegade option trigger....Would be so sweet.

Then I could get Leviathan and Omega.

[BD Manchild]

You'd think Bioware were actively setting out to sabotage the series with that ending. Well, if they were, mission bloody accomplished, because I have absolutely no desire to return to the series knowing that it will all amount to a big fat pile of NOTHING.

[Tootles FTW]

iakus wrote...

EC does assure us that, yay, we didn't kill the galaxy, which is something.  but it does not address the fundamental weaknesss of the endings, namely:

1) Shepard cannot win on his own terms

2) Related to #1, the thematic shift from "finding your own path" and "strength through cooperation" becomes "coexistence cannot be created, it can only be imposed" as shown by the three "solutions:

a) Completely eliminate one side (Destruction)
Impose peace through force (Control)
c) Forced alteration of everyone to fit the Catalyst's version of "perfection" (Synthesis)
d) Find your own path, die like everyone else (Refuse)

3) The all-but-railroaded death of Shepard, regardless of choice.  Which completely dispels the illusion of choice.

To my mind, the best thing about EC is it provided the raw materials needed for MEHEM to be made.

And...I feel really, really dumb for not seeing this connection outside of a nonsensical "something to make Destroy less palatable" gimmick.   See, and right here is why I want the ME writers to come out and explain their reasoning behind the endings.  I want to understand how they think this fits into the grand theme of ME.  If they can give me that, even if I disagree, fine.  But I don't know if they'll be able to, is the thing...and that's what is depressing.

[macrocarl]

BW didn't 'sell out'. EA didn't rush BW to ship the game. In fact they were going to release it around Xmas but pushed it back another 3 or 4 months. Remember? The thing is, you just don't like the endings. Which is fine but at this point, what's your point in posting this OP?

[Robhuzz]

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

BW didn't 'sell out'. EA didn't rush BW to ship the game. In fact they were going to release it around Xmas but pushed it back another 3 or 4 months. Remember? The thing is, you just don't like the endings. Which is fine but at this point, what's your point in posting this OP?

Except that they were asking for more time than that and EA was desperate to launch ME3 before march (and coincidentally the financial year) ended. It was EA who rushed BioWare. 2 years is just about enough for generic shooter #145 but you need more time to develop a proper rpg. EA forgot that. Or didn't care. Probably the latter.

I can't put the blame solely in EA's feet though. It was BioWare's incompetent writers who made the ending into the train wreck we got. Shows how well they perform under pressure:blink:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 novembre 2012 - 05:45 .