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[macrocarl]

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

He never said 'sane' or 'insane' in your quoted post. Also really? Still mad at pre-EC.......... um........

[macrocarl]

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

BW didn't 'sell out'. EA didn't rush BW to ship the game. In fact they were going to release it around Xmas but pushed it back another 3 or 4 months. Remember? The thing is, you just don't like the endings. Which is fine but at this point, what's your point in posting this OP?

Except that they were asking for more time than that and EA was desperate to launch ME3 before march (and coincidentally the financial year) ended. It was EA who rushed BioWare. 2 years is just about enough for generic shooter #145 but you need more time to develop a proper rpg. EA forgot that. Or didn't care. Probably the latter.

Find me the quote or a link to something legit that states that BW asked for more time and EA said no please.

[CDR David Shepard]

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

Putting aside the fact that I think it's ridiculous to still be making "hate" threads about the endings 8 months later...


Honestly...I can see why people don't like the endings if they take everything that happened during the ending at face value.

I'm fortunate because I believe that only the conversation with the starchild/catalyst was an indoctrination attempt...and nothing will ever change my view on that. So for me...the endings make a certain sense and stay within the theme of the entire series.

So for the people who believe the starchild/catalyst to be truly real...and there really isn't anything saying they shouldn't...then I can see why they are disappointed with the endings.

I'm not like the some of the IT crowd...I didn't hate the ending and then decide to view as an idoctrination attempt to make sense of it...I truly believed the scene with the starchild to be an indoctrination attempt the very first time I played it.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

I personally flip flop between periods of not playing ME for months, then getting back into and enjoying it, then remembering the endings and that slowly ebbs away at my enjoyment until i put it down again.

[Leem_0001]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

Putting aside the fact that I think it's ridiculous to still be making "hate" threads about the endings 8 months later...


Honestly...I can see why people don't like the endings if they take everything that happened during the ending at face value.

I'm fortunate because I believe that only the conversation with the starchild/catalyst was an indoctrination attempt...and nothing will ever change my view on that. So for me...the endings make a certain sense and stay within the theme of the entire series.

So for the people who believe the starchild/catalyst to be truly real...and there really isn't anything saying they shouldn't...then I can see why they are disappointed with the endings.

Geniunely interested here - so what do you propose happens after the ending? Is Shepard still on Earth etc? My own view, if that was the case, is we do not have a finished story - as if it is an Indoctrination attempt, how do you beat it and what happens? Or do you think this will be answered wtih DLC? Or not at all?

Just curious. I took it all at face value.

[devSin]

They pretty effectively demolished the interest I had in the franchise.

I continue with my commitment to purchase DLC for the trilogy that provides new squad content (which means I'll be unable to pick up Omega), but I have little appreciation anymore for the game itself (I haven't truly played it—or any of the trilogy—since the first time I witnessed the ending) and have no plans to invest in any future installments.

I wish the new team well, but I'm not going to be able to support them.

Modifié par devSin, 20 novembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Captain_Obvious]

I tried to play ME1 this weekend. Got to character creation and turned it off. Bummer, still don't want to play ME 8 months later.

[CDR David Shepard]

Leem_0001 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

Putting aside the fact that I think it's ridiculous to still be making "hate" threads about the endings 8 months later...


Honestly...I can see why people don't like the endings if they take everything that happened during the ending at face value.

I'm fortunate because I believe that only the conversation with the starchild/catalyst was an indoctrination attempt...and nothing will ever change my view on that. So for me...the endings make a certain sense and stay within the theme of the entire series.

So for the people who believe the starchild/catalyst to be truly real...and there really isn't anything saying they shouldn't...then I can see why they are disappointed with the endings.

Geniunely interested here - so what do you propose happens after the ending? Is Shepard still on Earth etc? My own view, if that was the case, is we do not have a finished story - as if it is an Indoctrination attempt, how do you beat it and what happens? Or do you think this will be answered wtih DLC? Or not at all?

Just curious. I took it all at face value.

I like to think that everything shown in the EC happens.

I believe that the Crucible was set to Destroy...and that the Citadel allowed Control or Synthesis.

Picking any of the three "beats it"...as in...it ends the "current" Reaper invasion...however...Control and Synthesis means the Reapers are still alive.

I like to think that the Crucible was set and ready to go...it just needed to time to fully prepare...Hackett just wasn't patient. It was massive after all.

I think that choosing destroy broke you from the indoctrination attempt...and let the Crucible finish what it set out to do,

I think that choosing Control or Synthesis meant that you became indoctrinated (just like Saren and TIM) and enabled the Citadel to override the "detonation" and made control or synthesis possible.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Grand Wazoo]

Yeah well, I agree. You can only make one first impression, and the first impression that the original endings gave was probably one of the biggest disappointments in gaming I've ever experienced. EC tried to fix it the mess, but there was only so little that could be done. Instead of taking yet another Shepard through the journey, I have moved on to other stuff. I just don't feel like playing Mass Effect anymore, knowing what is to come.

I'll still remain a fan of the universe and earlier two games, but I won't support EA anymore. In short; I am not happy with mediocrity.

[Leem_0001]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

Putting aside the fact that I think it's ridiculous to still be making "hate" threads about the endings 8 months later...


Honestly...I can see why people don't like the endings if they take everything that happened during the ending at face value.

I'm fortunate because I believe that only the conversation with the starchild/catalyst was an indoctrination attempt...and nothing will ever change my view on that. So for me...the endings make a certain sense and stay within the theme of the entire series.

So for the people who believe the starchild/catalyst to be truly real...and there really isn't anything saying they shouldn't...then I can see why they are disappointed with the endings.

Geniunely interested here - so what do you propose happens after the ending? Is Shepard still on Earth etc? My own view, if that was the case, is we do not have a finished story - as if it is an Indoctrination attempt, how do you beat it and what happens? Or do you think this will be answered wtih DLC? Or not at all?

Just curious. I took it all at face value.

I like to think that everything shown in the EC happens.

I believe that the Crucible was set to Destroy...and that the Citadel allowed Control or Synthesis.

Picking any of the three "beats it"...as in...it ends the "current" Reaper invasion...however...Control and Synthesis means the Reapers are still alive.

I like to think that the Crucible was set and ready to go...it just needed to time to fully prepare...Hackett just wasn't patient. It was massive after all.

I think that choosing destroy broke you from the indoctrination attempt...and let the Crucible finish what it set out to do,

I think that choosing Control or Synthesis meant that you became indoctrinated (just like Saren and TIM) and enabled the Citadel to override the "detonation" and made control or synthesis possible.

Ah okay, I see what you are saying. Not my interpritation but I can see where you are coming from. Glad it works for you too!

[The Hierophant]

Has anyone figured out the logic of the Leviathan's in creating the Catalyst after witnessing what was happening to their conquered races?

[CDR David Shepard]

Leem_0001 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

Putting aside the fact that I think it's ridiculous to still be making "hate" threads about the endings 8 months later...


Honestly...I can see why people don't like the endings if they take everything that happened during the ending at face value.

I'm fortunate because I believe that only the conversation with the starchild/catalyst was an indoctrination attempt...and nothing will ever change my view on that. So for me...the endings make a certain sense and stay within the theme of the entire series.

So for the people who believe the starchild/catalyst to be truly real...and there really isn't anything saying they shouldn't...then I can see why they are disappointed with the endings.

Geniunely interested here - so what do you propose happens after the ending? Is Shepard still on Earth etc? My own view, if that was the case, is we do not have a finished story - as if it is an Indoctrination attempt, how do you beat it and what happens? Or do you think this will be answered wtih DLC? Or not at all?

Just curious. I took it all at face value.

I like to think that everything shown in the EC happens.

I believe that the Crucible was set to Destroy...and that the Citadel allowed Control or Synthesis.

Picking any of the three "beats it"...as in...it ends the "current" Reaper invasion...however...Control and Synthesis means the Reapers are still alive.

I like to think that the Crucible was set and ready to go...it just needed to time to fully prepare...Hackett just wasn't patient. It was massive after all.

I think that choosing destroy broke you from the indoctrination attempt...and let the Crucible finish what it set out to do,

I think that choosing Control or Synthesis meant that you became indoctrinated (just like Saren and TIM) and enabled the Citadel to override the "detonation" and made control or synthesis possible.

Ah okay, I see what you are saying. Not my interpritation but I can see where you are coming from. Glad it works for you too!

Basically...it's just too hard for me to believe that the "Reaper AI who looks like the kid you saw get killed on earth and has been in your dreams" telling you that your previous enemies, Saren and TIM, were right after all...was anything other than an indoctrination attempt.

So as I said...I'm fortunate enough to have my interpretation work well within the series.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[TheTrueObelus]

Yate wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Yate wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

These threads, they'll just keep on popping up. And BioWare has only themselves to blame. All I can say to the OP is you are hardly alone. And you aren't part of some vocal 'minority.' (that phrase still makes me laugh )

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

Sadly it's true. People with taste and intelligence are always a minority.

people with taste and intelligence don't cry about a video game online

How would you know?

[Ticonderoga117]

The Hierophant wrote...

Has anyone figured out the logic of the Leviathan's in creating the Catalyst after witnessing what was happening to their conquered races?

I doubt it exists.

[Robhuzz]

macrocarl wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

not seeing your point

some like the endings, others don't

but only the weepy teenagers are getting worked up about it

the complaining here serves no purpose, there's not going to be any retcons or DLC

it's all just a bunch of whiny kids acting like this is their myspace page

Sane fans? You mean that entire bunch of garbage the catalyst spouted made sense to you? You didn't just see it was more utter ridiculous nonsense like the pre EC ending? That the catalyst's 'solution' has nothing to do with the supposed 'problem'?

That using the crucible doesn't even solve his 'problem'? And you call yourself sane? Ahum... alright...

He never said 'sane' or 'insane' in your quoted post. Also really? Still mad at pre-EC.......... um........

Could've sworn I quoted a post that said 'sane'.

Anyway, I'm not mad at pre-EC, I said it was more utter ridiculous nonsense LIKE pre EC. The EC added nothing substantial, just more nonsense to fill the gaps. It fixes nothing and to me it shows just how poorly BioWare thought the ending through the first time around, if they cannot even fix it in their second try.

ETA: Quoted the wrong post I guess. It was this one I meant to quote:

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:20 .

[Yate]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Yate wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Yate wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

These threads, they'll just keep on popping up. And BioWare has only themselves to blame. All I can say to the OP is you are hardly alone. And you aren't part of some vocal 'minority.' (that phrase still makes me laugh )

yes, you are a minority

these forums aren't the entire world

the sane fans like me enjoyed the extended cut

quit trying to find justification for your angst

Sadly it's true. People with taste and intelligence are always a minority.

people with taste and intelligence don't cry about a video game online

Yes, because having a literary discussion on something with another person is truely a sign of a lack of intelligence because they are having it online rather than in real life. This is one of the few places where people actually know what ME and Bioware are. Juuuust sayin'.

having a discussion =/= whining

I don't like Dragon Age, you don't see me ****ting up the DA forums.

[Kreidian]

Check my sig.

problem solved

[Maxster_]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

iakus wrote...
"I'm happy so STFU"

If that's truly what you got from what I wrote, then at the very least I know you didn't really read what I said and just gleaned that I don't agree with you.  Suit yourself, if you wish to believe that's all I said.

And hey, you've got every right to be unhappy.  I'm in no way telling you not to be.  I'm just recommending to those who continue to have this expectation of "If I keep complaining long enough and often enough, maybe Bioware will somehow come to their senses and give me what I want" to brace themselves for a long, long period of continued disappointment.  If that's your kink, have at it; just seems rather masochistic to cling to a hope that will never be fulfilled.

You're telling people to be grateful for EC (which was good enough for you) and to either shut up or move on.  And any misery derived from the endings is entirely self-inflicted  Sounds like my phrase was pretty accurate to me

I got my ending, as my sig shows.  That's not why I'm here anymore.  But people still have every right to continue complaining to Bioware, for all the good it'll do.  If not for this game, then the next.  I'd rather not have to wait a year after a game's release to get a mod that actually gives a satisfactory ending.  Though I would likely save some money that way... I like things internally consistent, I'm funny that way.

I actually have some doubts that complaints or feedback will work anyway, as EC has shown that "listening" seems to be similar to the husbands in sitcoms who nod and go "Uh huh" to their wives while they continue to watch the game on tv.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on your interpretation of my statements thus far, which is fine.  I thought I was fairly clear in my meaning, but then again, everything is always open to interpretation.

And we're DEFINITELY on opposite sides as to the Extended Cut.  I think your interpretation of it would be more appropriate had Bioware done nothing at all.  The attempt may seem half-hearted to you, but it was an attempt rather than the equivalent of a dismissive handwave.

Tootles FTW: Actually, I think your idea is perfectly reasonable.  A down-to-earth discussion, free of jargon and business-friendly BS, regarding the thought processes behind the endings and the adjustments made in the Extended Cut to address them would be ideal.  I think it would go a long way to give those still feeling let down/betrayed some of the reasons why from the opposite side of the coin.

It is irrelevant, how much "effort" they put in EC, if they failed. And they failed, and actually there was no effort in EC.
Garbage like "evacuation scene" just made everything ever more idiotic.
EC fixes completely nothing, just adds more nonsense, to already nonsensical fairytale.

So no, they failed, with DA2, SWTOR and ME3 - and they fully deserve what they getting as the result.

[CDR David Shepard]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

The majority of people on this site are unhappy with the ending, if you can't handle that then go to some other site.

Haha...I always thought it should be the other way around...but your point is valid.

However...I think it's more about the fact that countless threads of this same topic have been made for the past 8 months. There is no more information needed to be given on why the ending is not liked by people.

Pick one of the countless threads made on the topic and read through it.

Read the OP...this thread was made for hate on the endings and hate on bioware. There was nothing new or relevant in the OP...except more hate 8 months later....

dasGleamer wrote...

8 months later and i still can't look at any of the games without a feeling of being let down.  destroyed a masterpiece with these shenanigans.

hope it feels good to sell out bioware...i can only hope future sales reflect the disrespect towards fans

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:36 .

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

LeVaughnX wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

dasGleamer wrote...

8 months later

Lol. 

Ya know.. I still don't fully understand it. Yeah the original endings were bad, but I really, really don't get how that could somehow "ruin" the rest of the game/the previous games. 

It's mostly because you know the payoff is going to be terrible. Mass Effect 1 doesn't end at the end of the game, neither does Mass Effect 2. The books (4 doesn't count) don't count as stand alone books - they develop the universe of Mass Effect as a whole - giving you more insight to the series. To read and play something without being able to complete them, it's just pointless. I want to play Mass Effect 1 again and 2 and re-read the books then finish with 3 - but I can't do it. I know that the payoff in the end is not worth my time now. The ending of ME3 ruins every single build up to it only because it just doesn't fit. It doesn't fit, makes everything worthless, and isn't even Mass Effect - its more like the ending to a Halo game or some ****.

Its just an ending. And the extended cut endings make the payoff worth it. 

Relays get rebuilt, no ones stranded on an island, life in the galaxy goes on. You beat the reapers, you do what you originally set out to do. Sure its not super ideal, like you don't get to marry your LI, and there isn't a parade or anything. It just does what it has to. 

I can understand being upset for a few weeks or a month or two after you saw it. But eight months? 

Eight months?


Sweet Raptor Jesus.. 

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I'm still amazed they managed to fcuk up so spectacularly. It's oddly amazing.

Because people can't make mistakes right? 

So wait, did you play Mass Effect 1 from the beginning of the series BEFORE the other games back when it first came out? Have you been following with the over all theme of the games/series? If you say yes - you're trolling or you're a ****ing idiot. If you say no - then you have no opinon worth a **** here. The ending was garbage and full of plot holes. The extended cut was a slap in the face and a big middle finger from EAware saying ""DON'T LIKE OUR COLOR CODED ENDINGS? **** YOU!""

That's the problem. I know developers want to build their fanbase and have more players play their games, but they went too far. I played from the beginning, I got Mass Effect the day it came out, and I've been a fan ever since. These (most) people that started in ME3 or even ME2 can't even FATHOM what ME3's ending really did to this series. The main goal of Mass Effect 1 and 2 was to stop the reapers, whatever the cost. And as a result of the dev's trying to make their game more marketable, they alienated the fans that had cared so much for what the series stood for and threw it all out the window. And anyone who spoke out otherwise was a heretic. 

We got less of what we cared about, a lot less ,and we got more stuff to cater to the fps CoD Gamestop buyer-then-resellers. The themes of ME3's ending comes completely out of left field. And the complete contradictions in the ending to what is found in the first two and a half games is absolutely overwhelming. Like that whole, synthetics and organics can never have peace. Well what about making peace at Rannoch? Nope, gotta pick a side.

Eight months OP, is a long time. I'm not over it at all, I think it's gotten worse because looking back I can see how great the games were and how great it all could have been, and I just have to stop a minute and gather my thoughts because it's so baffling how it all went down. Mourning a video game series, if you can call it that, for eight months, really tells me how good it could have been and what an utter failure it was.