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[cowwy]

TCGwasHERE wrote...

cowwy wrote...

But if it's an UR why shouldn't it be good at lower levels? Almost all the other URs are good even at level I. A gun shouldn't be justified by having it at level X. And I don't mean to be rude but anecdotal evidence is almost the same as no evidence in my opinion.

Almost all of the URs at launch had problems at level. The Wraith was a joke compared to the claymore. The Javelin was heavy and unusable on non GI's. The BW quickly fell behind and needed several buffs. The scorpion was oddly heavy and now has the same weight as the talon. The PPR did little to no damage at first. Only the Harrier, Paladin, and Typhoon have gotten nerfed. The Saber has had little change. i think I stand corrected.

I don't like the Saber but I think it's just because I've now gotten it 5 times without a Harrier or a Javelin. <_<

Anyway if I remember correctly there were huge threads at launch debating which was the best sniper, the BW or the Javelin. The only argument that can be made there is that power creep and the infiltrator nerf took care of those two. I will admit your point has some validity, but an ultra rare weapon is just that, ultra rare. I'm not expecting to max the CSMG out any time soon and so at level III there is little reason for me to choose it over my Hurricane III except maybe for novelty or a challenge.

[Grunt_Platform]

Well. The double ammo consumption explains a lot. That's really counter intuitive, and for a gun with such a small clip it really makes no sense at all.

Just about everything on this gun is conspiring to make the rank X version insanely better than the base.

Modifié par EvanKester, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[corlist]

MastahDisastah wrote...

Shouldn't that affect the perceived rof?
I ran a couple of tests in the latest days and I found that measuring the frames I emptied the entire clip (72) in still around 5.4 seconds, which is a perfect 800 rof. Shouldn't the double ammo shots speed up the magazine depletion time?

I have no idea. The RoF may not actually be 800. Can't argue with hard facts regarding the number of shots.

[peddroelm]

corlist wrote...

MastahDisastah wrote...

Shouldn't that affect the perceived rof?
I ran a couple of tests in the latest days and I found that measuring the frames I emptied the entire clip (72) in still around 5.4 seconds, which is a perfect 800 rof. Shouldn't the double ammo shots speed up the magazine depletion time?

I have no idea. The RoF may not actually be 800. Can't argue with hard facts regarding the number of shots.

timestamps  timestamps  timestamps  (if variable rof is suspected )

Modifié par peddroelmz, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Well. The double ammo consumption explains a lot. That's really counter intuitive, and for a gun with such a small clip it really makes no sense at all.

Just about everything on this gun is conspiring to make the rank X version insanely better than the base.

 

I have it at level X and it's still rubbish.

this.

[koschwarz74]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

i like it. and i have a lvl1...
and you are doing it wrong.

Played anything above Silver? I don't think so.

i play nothing below gold.

[Titus Thongger]

I do just fine with it on gold with my human engineer. It's not a powerhouse like the harrier but that's one of the most powerful guns in the game. It's a niche weapon like the wraith imo

[cowwy]

Titus Thongger wrote...

I do just fine with it on gold with my human engineer. It's not a powerhouse like the harrier but that's one of the most powerful guns in the game. It's a niche weapon like the wraith imo

The difference is that the Wraith is actually effective in fulfilling it's niche, which is being a light shotgun with huge amounts of damage. The CSMG has no niche in which it outperforms anything. The Acolyte is a much better sidearm and the Hurricane is simply an all around better gun. As I have stated before the only reason to use the CSMG over anything else in terms of efficiency is novelty. 

[Drayce333]

Titus Thongger wrote...

I do just fine with it on gold with my human engineer. It's not a powerhouse like the harrier but that's one of the most powerful guns in the game. It's a niche weapon like the wraith imo

They should just make the wraith uncommon and the claymore UR at this point. They really need to add a worthy UR shotgun.

[Knockingbr4in]

koschwarz74 wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

i like it. and i have a lvl1...
and you are doing it wrong.

Played anything above Silver? I don't think so.

i play nothing below gold.

With a CSMG I?

[HusarX]

According to this

CSMG I
Weight : 0,75
Single Clip DPS : 498,67

Hornet X
Weight : 0,45
Single Clip DPS : 746

So it seems that the Hornet is a better option. Am I right ?

[cowwy]

Drayce333 wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

I do just fine with it on gold with my human engineer. It's not a powerhouse like the harrier but that's one of the most powerful guns in the game. It's a niche weapon like the wraith imo

They should just make the wraith uncommon and the claymore UR at this point. They really need to add a worthy UR shotgun.

You best be trollin' right now. Are you somehow playing with the pre-buff Wraith? Because the Wraith is an amazing shotgun with awesome damage output and a weight that's like one third the weight of the Claymore.

[Yajuu Omoi]

koschwarz74 wrote...

i like it. and i have a lvl1...
and you are doing it wrong.

Did you just...?

Did he just...?

He DID just...?

You just said that stating FACTS is "doing it wrong"?!?!?!?!? 

[BeardyMcGoo]

Drayce333 wrote...

They should just make the wraith uncommon and the claymore UR at this point. They really need to add a worthy UR shotgun.

lmao. l2p.

[koschwarz74]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

i like it. and i have a lvl1...
and you are doing it wrong.

Played anything above Silver? I don't think so.

i play nothing below gold.

With a CSMG I?

yep. it's the standard and the only one weapon on my vorcha soldier, now that i have it (the weapon). i know what you may say: yes, i use flamer most of the time (as a close combat tool), but between two flame i shoot heads with it. i use magazine upgrade and HVB mod, and i usually use SMG rail amp. and despite the negativity this weapon gets, i think it's ok... i'm aware of its so called weaknesses but i deal with it, and i found it surprisingly fine.
i always stop firing when i see the "reload" warning, this way i never stuck in the cooldown animation.

somehow i like these "unmanageable" weapons that people used to whine about. i liked the pre"buff" acolyte, i like kishock, argus, etc. and i hate harrier. for me this gun is unmanageable, running constantly to ammo boxes...

Modifié par koschwarz74, 20 novembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[koschwarz74]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

i like it. and i have a lvl1...
and you are doing it wrong.

Did you just...?

Did he just...?

He DID just...?

You just said that stating FACTS is "doing it wrong"?!?!?!?!? 

i forget the smile. i just wanted to quote the common line here on BSN

[Titus Thongger]

lol amazing how much flak I get for not hating the collector smg. I'll keep rolling with my my CSMG VI murdering everything I see with my human engineer. hurricane is great but it eats ammo like a fat man and has such heavy recoil

[MaxShine]

I use it on Adepts and the CSMG performs well. To make it a really good UR the damage needs to be increased a bit

[DarkAbsolution]

Titus Thongger wrote...

lol amazing how much flak I get for not hating the collector smg. I'll keep rolling with my my CSMG VI murdering everything I see with my human engineer. hurricane is great but it eats ammo like a fat man and has such heavy recoil

Don't worry man.  There are plenty of us who agree with you, but we just learned to stay away while the rabid frothy-mouthed raving is in full force on BSN.