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[Zjarcal]

Revinance wrote...

This has little to do with the Valkyrie or the Reegar. This is about the the bug between Warp and Incendiary Ammo. Take that away and this freak show goes with it.

Warp Ammo IV's 100% biotic bonus would certainly make it possible.

I used the Reegar on her once with Warp IV and I was able to kill Banhsees about as fast as in the video (provided they remained primed for biotic explosion, otherwise the warp ammo biotic bonus goes away).

[Kalas Magnus]

Feneckus wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

So break the speed run record with this combo and I will reconsider.

That combo is not great for speed runs because bosses appear in the later waves, when it's all about nuking spawns.

You can definitely use it on a no rocket speed run though.

platinum?

[Xaijin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Most smart players prefer builds that are ranged not CQC unless it's on a Kroguard or something similar.

Fixed

Seriously? Players that like CQC that isn't with the Kroguard aren't smart?

Fail.... bigtime.

Pretty much. My platinum ready with no consumables KSent says otherwise.

[N7 Whiskey]

I don't go for the OP builds/loadouts. I go for stuff that's fun for me, which usually involves smashing faces and fire explosions.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Don't like the Reegar. For me, the Wraith is a perfect fit for her, and she is still powerful, but not an instant win... kind of.

[upinya slayin]

Kalas321 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Shes too squishy for my taste. My kroguard uses the reager better.

Doens't mean you need to take OP layouts every game. If you only used kits that nobody did better. you'd only play with about 3 kits out of possible hundreds

I thought that was the whole point of this thread.'

The point was asking why a certain combo isn't used that much when the OP feels it is a great combo

so great that he feels it is OP...

I said she is too squishy and would get dropped by the geth easily. Then you said that I'm closeminded. 

So break the speed run record with this combo and I will reconsider.

He feels its OP. you feel its squishy but then agree the point is OP? makes no sense. Then you tell me to break a speed run record with a melee character? come on man. Thought you were better then that. I guess not.

Its funny how i see all these "average" players get all cocky all of a sudden while using the same 2-3 OP layouts everygame and trashing eveyrone on the forums like they solo platinum with a volus eveyr game with 10 waves survived.

Some people need to get over themselves and stop ebing online DBs

What you talking about melee character?  Reager+incendiary+valkyrie 

I was talking about using her as a melee througout the thread. Gollum gave me a build to try out.
and why would breaking a speedrun record prove anyhting? its more position and missle then it is damage output. I mean we did 4 original turans (2 soldier 2 sentitnal) condor speed runs in around 12 minutes each team and that was hardly close to an OP layout lol

[Xaijin]

Zjarcal wrote...

Revinance wrote...

This has little to do with the Valkyrie or the Reegar. This is about the the bug between Warp and Incendiary Ammo. Take that away and this freak show goes with it.

Warp Ammo IV's 100% biotic bonus would certainly make it possible.

I used the Reegar on her once with Warp IV and I was able to kill Banhsees about as fast as in the video (provided they remained primed for biotic explosion, otherwise the warp ammo biotic bonus goes away).

Used a Shaman and Warp IV and Power IV for my platinum Lone Wolf run. It's effective, no doubt about it.

Modifié par Xaijin, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Lexa_D]

GallowsPole wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Most smart players prefer builds that are ranged not CQC unless it's on a Kroguard or something similar.

Fixed

Seriously? Players that like CQC that isn't with the Kroguard aren't smart?

Fail.... bigtime.

Negative. Krogans are designed to be pure melee characters as well as Batarians, Vorchas, Turians etc etc.To say that YOU play them out of character or anyone else for that matter, does not mean that the majority of players can. That's why it is SMART, to go conservative and play with a more versatile mid to long range character, rather than limiting your play style to purely CQC. CQC certainly has its role, but only on certain characters was it made to offer it to be a primary offensive tactic.

Edit: Im trying to speak to the majority of average/above average players. Not the uber players who can play with anything. PUGs suck cause some come here, read these threads and watch a video or two and go gee, I can do that. The they find out, ummmmm no I cant.

Sry, but that's like your opinion ©. The OP Feneckus has a vid summing his opint nicely, while your credibility is seriously undermined by just two platinum extractions. So his words mean more on every scale.

Modifié par Lexa_D, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[Kalas Magnus]

upinya slayin wrote...\\

I was talking about using her as a melee througout the thread. Gollum gave me a build to try out.
and why would breaking a speedrun record prove anyhting?

And the thread was about the valkyrie reager. \\\\

its more position and missle then it is damage output. 

Right, that is why 4 arc pistol quarian female engineers hold the record for fastest speed run. 

I mean we did 4 original turans (2 soldier 2 sentitnal) condor speed runs in around 12 minutes each team and that was hardly close to an OP layout lol

And how many other teams have tried this?

Try using geth infiltrators next time. 

There are OP builds. This is not one of them. There is high risk and high reward. balanced. aside from bug abusing

Speed runs are all about the highest possible damage in the shortest amount of time.\\\\ Then missile at the later rounds.

Modifié par Kalas321, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[upinya slayin]

Kalas321 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

I was talking about using her as a melee througout the thread. Gollum gave me a build to try out.
and why would breaking a speedrun record prove anyhting?

And the thread was about the valkyrie reager. \\

its more position and missle then it is damage output. 

Right, that is why 4 arc pistol quarian female engineers hold the record for fastest speed run. 

I mean we did 4 original turans (2 soldier 2 sentitnal) condor speed runs in around 12 minutes each team and that was hardly close to an OP layout lol

And how many other teams have tried this?

Try using geth infiltrators next time. 

There are OP builds. This is not one of them. There is high risk and high reward. balanced. aside from bug abusing

Speed runs are all about the highest possible damage in the shortest amount of time.\\ Then missile at the later rounds.

1) be that as it may, using a valkerye reegar is a good combo that apparently your ****ting on cause its not a GI? for that matter every class sucks compared to the GI so i don't see your point?
2) Hold the record? Probably not, but they can post a decent time. probably a better time then 4 random GIs running around all willy nilly with no plan. and who cres about holding a record? IDK what it has to do with anything? have you even done any speed runs before? IDK why your using it as a point of reference?
3) i believe it was 4 teams that did it. some teams had alternate players so probably about 20 people involved? but again i don't see your point?
4) I've done plenty of GI platinum runs. I make videos and such you know? Including one on how to speed farm glacier so people could try to earn creds fast for the last DLC that passed.
5) Who is to judge what an OP build is compared to others? I've seen red blitz play a Drellguard that will wipe out most people playing a GI, i've outdone good GIs with a MQE and a AV both not considered OP classes. some classes might feel OP to others that you don't agree with.
6) again why even bring up speed runs? I don't understand what somebody saying a charcater is OP has to do with speed running?

[Kalas Magnus]

upinya slayin wrote...

1) be that as it may, using a valkerye reegar is a good combo that apparently your ****ting on cause its not a GI? for that matter every class sucks compared to the GI so i don't see your point?

He says it is OP. I say no. Believe it or not there are classes that come close to the gi. On goddess the qmi can beat the gi because of all the extra grenades.

Also I said the kroguard is better for this task. not the gi
2) Hold the record? Probably not, but they can post a decent time. probably a better time then 4 random GIs running around all willy nilly with no plan. and who cres about holding a record? IDK what it has to do with anything? have you even done any speed runs before? IDK why your using it as a point of reference?

A speed run requires a massive damage output. You cant get that with randoms because most of them dont use consumables. 
3) i believe it was 4 teams that did it. some teams had alternate players so probably about 20 people involved? but again i don't see your point?

Try doing it on glacier. Or get haxtron, stentron, velaut and sylar to try it. They are the only ones I have seen that still do them. An OP setup can clear the map quickly. (GI+pre nerf krysae)

4) I've done plenty of GI platinum runs. I make videos and such you know? Including one on how to speed farm glacier so people could try to earn creds fast for the last DLC that passed.

So you know he has a lot of damage potential. It is the reason why people say he is the reason guns get nerfed. Krysae, piranha. He breaks guns with his hunter mode and debuff proxy on top of tactical cloak.
5) Who is to judge what an OP build is compared to others? I've seen red blitz play a Drellguard that will wipe out most people playing a GI, i've outdone good GIs with a MQE and a AV both not considered OP classes. some classes might feel OP to others that you don't agree with.

What you saw is a good player using a bad class. Ashen earth can outscore most players using a turian sentinel. The class is nothing spectacular though.

So you deny the tier list. Why do you think we have balance changes? Some c;asses are overpowered and some are underpowered. The sooner you accept that the sooner other classes can be buffed. The batarian sentinel needs a buff.  
6) again why even bring up speed runs? I don't understand what somebody saying a charcater is OP has to do with speed running?

An OP character should be able to break the record. High damage output and can stay alive long enough to deal it. GI,QMI, Slayer, kroguard

Modifié par Kalas321, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[upinya slayin]

[quote]Kalas321 wrote...

[quote]upinya slayin wrote...

He says it is OP. I say no. Believe it or not there are classes that come close to the gi. On goddess the qmi can beat the gi because of all the extra grenades.
Also I said the kroguard is better for this task. not the gi

I don't know why your even making comments like this to me? You do realize i'm pretty dam good at the game right? My only comment was why should you decide whats OP and whats not. If the original poster can outdo a GI with his Valkeryie who are you to decide he is doing it wrong? Also who cares who you think is better or who is better? liek i said for that matter eveyrone would use the same few kits.

A speed run requires a massive damage output. You cant get that with randoms because most of them dont use consumables. 

A speedrun with randoms? lol quit while your behind please. and you can put out massive damage output with lost of classes. not just the popular few. a platinum with 3 vorcha and a QFI in 17 mins w/o rockets? yup there is a vid of that. tahts a pretty dame good time for no rockets. and i had a horrible game. had i done better we could ahve been in the low 16s


Try doing it on glacier. Or get haxtron, stentron, velaut and sylar to try it. They are the only ones I have seen that still do them. An OP setup can clear the map quickly. (GI+pre nerf krysae)

I've done so many speed runs on glacier i can't even count. the krysea was OP on every class. its wans't cause the GI. The Pirhanna was cause teh GI but so what. with a destroyer i popped almost 300k points without missiles and a pre-nerf Pirhanna. And why would i need to get them? i've done speed runs with lots of people and we don't always use all GIs. You can clear maps quickly with pretty much any character


So you know he has a lot of damage potential. It is the reason why people say he is the reason guns get nerfed. Krysae, piranha. He breaks guns with his hunter mode and debuff proxy on top of tactical cloak.

Again I don't understand what your obession with teh GI is? eveyrone knows he has the highest pure damage output on weapons. He doens't break anything. I've seen plenty of people fail with him. He gets nerfed becuase people who kill great with eveyr character kill even better with him then BW expected. things get nerfed becuase some people need the best of the best to barely get by on bronze, whiel some people who can solo gold with a predator make it look to easy. High skilled players break games more then weapons

What you saw is a good player using a bad class. Ashen earth can outscore most players using a turian sentinel. The class is nothing spectacular though.


Turian sentinal is a great class. thats what i used for the condor speed runs. Ashen is a great player but it doens't mean he's the only one that does well with the class

So you deny the tier list. Why do you think we have balance changes? Some c;asses are overpowered and some are underpowered. The sooner you accept that the sooner other classes can be buffed. The batarian sentinel needs a buff.  

And why do you think they haven't adjusted a class in like a month? or that they barely adjusted weapons in a month. or that the GI was nerfed like 4 months ago and hans't been touched since? The Batsent is a fine class the way it is.

An OP character should be able to break the record. High damage output and can stay alive long enough to deal it. GI,QMI, Slayer, kroguard

A kroguard doens't have a high damage output, he just has the most surivorabilty. A QME can outdo a QMI easily FEs and TBs and afull rnak 6 strength all the time. somehting the QMI cant do, The slayer is awesome but i wouldn't say he's one fo teh highest damage outputs. the AV and Bat soldier outdo him easily.

All in all i don't get your argument in any of this? You tell me to speed run using non OP chracters and when I told you i've already done it you tell me to break a record? thats a joke. Any class can be OP in the right hands and ****ty in the wrong hands.

[No Snakes Alive]

Xaijin wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

The cloak cast + power synergy bonus may give her similar bleed to the Shaman, which is better than the valkyries, but she won't have the hella detonation bonus.

On the other hand, hers will always work whereas the Shaman's is based on one the worst implemented powers in the game.

The biotic explosion damage difference (af+warp // warp + shockwave ) is less than negligible (the entire BE damage itself is negligilbe small potates)  compared to the amount of damage incendiary + warp can do on a full reegar clip ..

Like I said, there was a reason I wanted you guys to test a full exposed detonation with a fully power+barrier spec'd Shaman... Also, wiping a banshee at half health and two completely untouched Pyros and a hunter directly behind her on platinum is not remotely insignificant.

Build? I mean, I can make an educated guess for the most part, but I'd rather hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 20 novembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[GallowsPole]

@Lexa......hmmm I've been playing Skyrim since before these challenges were implemented. I personally don't like playing Platinum, but I'll be sure to pump up the extractions for you, you know, so I can have something of an opinion count. I guess almost 2500 games played and over 850 hours doesn't qualify me as an expert. Though I certainly don't claim to be one.

But if you're not satisfied and on Xbox, I'll play platinum with you.

[banans_huligans]

just used this build on gold run- omg it just melts everything And even if atlas/phantom/dragoon has left 2 bars of armor/health, it will die to af/inc ammo effect before you even reload reager. Was level 18 and missing 6th passive rank so weapon would deal even 10% more dmg

[Janus382]

Eh, the Reegar is probably the smart choice... but I always feel so cheap using it. Prefer the Wraith. Being able to do something at range during Hack/Escorts is nice, too.

EDIT: That said, I've never seen Reegar on an AV in a pug yet... usually Acolyte/Talon.

Modifié par Janus382, 20 novembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Bleachrude]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

kipac wrote...

Is it another thread that looks down on PUG?

Yep. There is only one way to play a character apparently.

Only good PUG Valkyrie I have met had Harrier equipped and never really fought enemy in close range.

Tech Armor + Speed + Warp debuff + Harrier = Extremely useful in any situation.

Wouldn't the Tsent be even better?

[TheKillerAngel]

I tried this build out. It melts stuff fast but you can also die really quickly too. There is definite risk involved in using this build.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I tried this build out. It melts stuff fast but you can also die really quickly too. There is definite risk involved in using this build.

With a Cyclonic III or IV?

[TheKillerAngel]

Level 3. It was against Gold Geth.

You can deal much safer damage at range with a Harrier destroyer or any infiltrator.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

Bleachrude wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

kipac wrote...

Is it another thread that looks down on PUG?

Yep. There is only one way to play a character apparently.

Only good PUG Valkyrie I have met had Harrier equipped and never really fought enemy in close range.

Tech Armor + Speed + Warp debuff + Harrier = Extremely useful in any situation.

Wouldn't the Tsent be even better?

Of course, T-sentinel is better at killing stuffs with same setting.

But Valkyrie is more than good enough with same setting for Asari lover to play her that way too.
Asari`s sliding dash is something you can get never tired of, and it is great advantage at gun fight.

[reioni]

manbearpig654 wrote...

I use a hurricane. It still tears s*** up.

This

[K_O_513]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Or they don't have stockpiles of level III & IV equipment

[Xaijin]

Bleachrude wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

kipac wrote...

Is it another thread that looks down on PUG?

Yep. There is only one way to play a character apparently.

Only good PUG Valkyrie I have met had Harrier equipped and never really fought enemy in close range.

Tech Armor + Speed + Warp debuff + Harrier = Extremely useful in any situation.

Wouldn't the Tsent be even better?

No. The key is rate of bleed.

1. Krogan
2. Asari
3. Turian
4. Human

The end.

Modifié par Xaijin, 21 novembre 2012 - 01:24 .

[CitizenThom]

Feneckus wrote...

Usually people, especially PUGs, tend to use the most OP builds possible. That's why it's nearly impossible to be in a lobby without at least one infiltrator, although it's not as ridiculous as it was pre-TC nerf.

Since it doesn't get any more OP than Valkyrie + Reegar (), I find it surprising that I've yet to see one.

Doesn't really require any skill. You don't have to aim and she's quite durable thanks to tech armor + drain evo from annihilation field. Perfect for below average players in theory.

I like the Wraith better. Or the Revenant. Or Paladin (sniping/headshots) + Hurricane (CQC).

I bet I think different classes are the strong ones than you would. Only infiltrators that I'm confident with are the Male Quarian and the Salarian...somewhat the Shadow too. On the other hand, there are several Soldiers and Sentinels and Adepts that I'm confident playing with.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 21 novembre 2012 - 01:39 .