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[ISHYGDDT]

aaronisbla wrote...

funny, when i play pugs, and thats often, i don't see many overpowered builds being used. unless they happen to come across this forum, and even then i don't see it all too often due to people going for challenges. If they want to use them, let them, its all in good fun and honestly, it doesn't take a lot of skill to do well with most of the classes on here

Honestly I think it's just a lack of understanding on how to build effective characters rather than any active avoidance of OP builds.  Take a look at reddit MECoOp board and you'll see quite a few mediocre to ludicrisly bad builds of characters being touted, and these are presumably more knowledgible people than the random player.

[Feneckus]

aaronisbla wrote...

funny, when i play pugs, and thats often, i don't see many overpowered builds being used.

I can't remember the last time I was in a PUG lobby without at least one GI/SI/TGI/Destroyer/Kroguard.

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip 
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ... 

And gold praetorian/gold possessed scion in one reegar clip. Sadly I was never in a perfect 1 vs 1 vs a Possessed Praetorian ...

But I guess you can get similar results with warp ammo as long as you use warp before being in Annihilation Field's range.

[jinx_60]

I think the reason you don't see the same characters in every PUG match is because the challenge system is doing what it's suppose to do: encourage people to change classes/guns and try new things. I think the challenge system, as much as the changes to the maps, Geth and Cerberus, is also to thank for the significant drop in farming pugs. I used to see FBW/G/G or FBG/G/P in as many as 8/10 quick matches, no that number is more like 1/30.
I for one am thankful I no longer see an over abundance of "OP" classes and guns. It adds variety and generally makes the game more fun to play.

[Xaijin]

Feneckus wrote...

Usually people, especially PUGs, tend to use the most OP builds possible. That's why it's nearly impossible to be in a lobby without at least one infiltrator, although it's not as ridiculous as it was pre-TC nerf.

Since it doesn't get any more OP than Valkyrie + Reegar (), I find it surprising that I've yet to see one.

Doesn't really require any skill. You don't have to aim and she's quite durable thanks to tech armor + drain evo from annihilation field. Perfect for below average players in theory.

Ah, your passive aggressive elitism is almost on Gamemako's level. A for effort.

She's also not the most OP in terms of bleed plus detonation.

Modifié par Xaijin, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[megabeast37215]

I used that build earlier tonight... but I used Warp IV...

I don't think PUGs have ever seen that build and don't know how to play it... or won't use the consumables required to make it sing.

[peddroelm]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Incendiary ammo III or IV is all that is mandatory .. Rest of them are optional//flavor ...

[HolyAvenger]

I'm a PUGger and I don't play OP builds. I play for, you know, fun. So you'll see me rocking weird things like an AA without an Acolyte, or a Shadow (every "elite" player I know hates this kit, but its so motherf*cking cool to be a sword-wielding spaceninja that I don't give a f*ck) or a TSol with a Crusader or a HInf with a Claymore etc.

Also, I don't CQC with Banshees because they magnet hand me.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[koschwarz74]

personally, i don't want to use the same "overpowered" weapons on every character (claymore, reegar, harrier, talon, etc.) It's boring. i try to distribute the weapons i have, and i try to be as "lore-friendly" as i can, so i give asari weapons to asari, krogan weapons to krogan, etc. BSN says discipline sucks...i like it on my asari sentinel with a HVB + whatever mod. she goes bio-boom-boom anyway. if i want to use weapon, i play other classes.

[peddroelm]

Feneckus wrote...

aaronisbla wrote...

funny, when i play pugs, and thats often, i don't see many overpowered builds being used.

I can't remember the last time I was in a PUG lobby without at least one GI/SI/TGI/Destroyer/Kroguard.

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip 
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ... 

And gold praetorian/gold possessed scion in one reegar clip. Sadly I was never in a perfect 1 vs 1 vs a Possessed Praetorian ...

But I guess you can get similar results with warp ammo as long as you use warp before being in Annihilation Field's range.

Don't think so ...

[TheKillerAngel]

peddroelmz wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Incendiary ammo III or IV is all that is mandatory .. Rest of them are optional//flavor ...

What would do more damage: Warp 3/4 or Incendiary 3/4 ammo with a Reegar+warp?

[Xaijin]

Incendiary.

[ISHYGDDT]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I'm a PUGger and I don't play OP builds. I play for, you know, fun. So you'll see me rocking weird things like an AA without an Acolyte, or a Shadow (every "elite" player I know hates this kit, but its so motherf*cking cool to be a sword-wielding spaceninja that I don't give a f*ck) or a TSol with a Crusader or a HInf with a Claymore etc.

Also, I don't CQC with Banshees because they magnet hand me.

None of those are particularly weird. Not min/maxed to hell, but not strange.

You're like that guy who made that thread a couple days ago about weird builds and then said his weird build was a Drell Adept specced out of pull.

[Immaculate J]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Incendiary ammo III or IV is all that is mandatory .. Rest of them are optional//flavor ...

What would do more damage: Warp 3/4 or Incendiary 3/4 ammo with a Reegar+warp?

Incendiary to abuse the warp+incendiary glitch of ofc.

[Swan Killer]

koschwarz74 wrote...

personally, i don't want to use the same "overpowered" weapons on every character (claymore, reegar, harrier, talon, etc.) It's boring. i try to distribute the weapons i have, and i try to be as "lore-friendly" as i can, so i give asari weapons to asari, krogan weapons to krogan, etc. BSN says discipline sucks...i like it on my asari sentinel with a HVB + whatever mod. she goes bio-boom-boom anyway. if i want to use weapon, i play other classes.

You're lore friendliness might pay off for your Asari Sentinel tomorrow(?). 

Modifié par tivesz, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[HolyAvenger]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I'm a PUGger and I don't play OP builds. I play for, you know, fun. So you'll see me rocking weird things like an AA without an Acolyte, or a Shadow (every "elite" player I know hates this kit, but its so motherf*cking cool to be a sword-wielding spaceninja that I don't give a f*ck) or a TSol with a Crusader or a HInf with a Claymore etc.

Also, I don't CQC with Banshees because they magnet hand me.

None of those are particularly weird. Not min/maxed to hell, but not strange.

You're like that guy who made that thread a couple days ago about weird builds and then said his weird build was a Drell Adept specced out of pull.

Weird in the context that OP assumes that every PUGger wants to play OP build, not weird like that guy who spec'd his Fury out of AF.

[megabeast37215]

This is sort of related...

In the past when I used the Warp/Incendiary glitch with the PPR... stuff died really fast, but I always scored bottom. It didn't seem like it calculated the damage done by the glitch (kinda like Sabotage's backfire damage). Does this happen with the Reegar too? Not that it's important... just curious.

[Kogia]

I use it, it's the only character I use the Reegar on, so I built it with that in mind. Maybe it's too new to be widely known, or maybe it's as safe a bet as some of the other often-used builds?

Also, I'm not sure it's as easy or survivable as some of the other top tier character builds, simply because you have to get close, even with all the armor and debuff bonuses it's still a fairly high-risk high-reward playstyle. She can get downed pretty easily if you're not too careful and in most random matches that people play in it's usually more chaotic than the video guides ever show.

[TheKillerAngel]

Immaculate J wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Incendiary ammo III or IV is all that is mandatory .. Rest of them are optional//flavor ...

What would do more damage: Warp 3/4 or Incendiary 3/4 ammo with a Reegar+warp?

Incendiary to abuse the warp+incendiary glitch of ofc.

Warp ammo on a primed target will also deal substantial damage. The question is: which is higher?

[Swan Killer]

HolyAvenger wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I'm a PUGger and I don't play OP builds. I play for, you know, fun. So you'll see me rocking weird things like an AA without an Acolyte, or a Shadow (every "elite" player I know hates this kit, but its so motherf*cking cool to be a sword-wielding spaceninja that I don't give a f*ck) or a TSol with a Crusader or a HInf with a Claymore etc.

Also, I don't CQC with Banshees because they magnet hand me.

None of those are particularly weird. Not min/maxed to hell, but not strange.

You're like that guy who made that thread a couple days ago about weird builds and then said his weird build was a Drell Adept specced out of pull.

Weird in the context that OP assumes that every PUGger wants to play OP build, not weird like that guy who spec'd his Fury out of AF.

Yeah, there's a slight difference between slapping a Raider on the TGI, or speccing out of TC on a SI.
The first one could be fun for variety, the latter is just plain stupid. Like the Fury without AF. (Still can't wrap my head around that, but whatever makes a person happy )

Modifié par tivesz, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Xaijin]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Immaculate J wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

gold banshee 1 reegar clip
gold atlas 1 reegar clip
gold scion 1 reegar clip
...
The Dark powers of Warp + incendiary ...

You need to use max consumables though, and many people are unwilling to do that in PUGs.

Incendiary ammo III or IV is all that is mandatory .. Rest of them are optional//flavor ...

What would do more damage: Warp 3/4 or Incendiary 3/4 ammo with a Reegar+warp?

Incendiary to abuse the warp+incendiary glitch of ofc.

Warp ammo on a primed target will also deal substantial damage. The question is: which is higher?

incendiary

[peddroelm]

megabeast37215 wrote...

This is sort of related...

In the past when I used the Warp/Incendiary glitch with the PPR... stuff died really fast, but I always scored bottom. It didn't seem like it calculated the damage done by the glitch (kinda like Sabotage's backfire damage). Does this happen with the Reegar too? Not that it's important... just curious.

Watch the video he gets plenty of points ... Might get less if somebody else warped the target thow...

[Senshirou]

Feneckus wrote...

Usually people, especially PUGs, tend to use the most OP builds possible. That's why it's nearly impossible to be in a lobby without at least one infiltrator, although it's not as ridiculous as it was pre-TC nerf.

Since it doesn't get any more OP than Valkyrie + Reegar (), I find it surprising that I've yet to see one.

Doesn't really require any skill. You don't have to aim and she's quite durable thanks to tech armor + drain evo from annihilation field. Perfect for below average players in theory.

The simplest answer is that not all of us want to play like you.

Modifié par Senshirou, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:58 .

[TelevisionsFrank]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Because pugs are bad enough that they can't even aim with a Reegar and not even Tech Armor is enough to save them if an enemy ever closes within 5m of them.

I wish this weren't the case.

Tech armor?  Hell, 90% of the Asari is Annihilation Field.  Wade into a group of enemies and spam warp for explosions.  Damaged?  Run into whoever has shields left.

Reason you don't see the Reegar is it takes a lot to get it's weight low enough to keep yourself able to warp when you need it and a lot of people don't like restricting themselves to being only able to fight stuff 3m in front of you.

Modifié par TelevisionsFrank, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Feneckus]

Xaijin wrote...

Ah, your passive aggressive elitism is almost on Gamemako's level. A for effort.

She's also not the most OP in terms of bleed plus detonation.

Is it elitism to think that most PUGs are bad at this game ? I think that's just a fact.

And not the most OP ? Are you kidding ? That video makes a Claymore GI look like a Batarian Sentinel with an Eagle ... While being A LOT easier to play.

Modifié par Feneckus, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Xaijin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

This is sort of related...

In the past when I used the Warp/Incendiary glitch with the PPR... stuff died really fast, but I always scored bottom. It didn't seem like it calculated the damage done by the glitch (kinda like Sabotage's backfire damage). Does this happen with the Reegar too? Not that it's important... just curious.

It's the same.

The more likely answer is faster objective waves due to less enemies all up on you, what being dead and all.