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[Lexa_D]

Kenadian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Jeeshan2 wrote...

Out of curiosity OP, why didn't you use the high velocity barrel on the Reegar? Was it because of the cool down? 

Yeah. With that mod I could have used the extra ammo mod but it's not really needed since you can kill lots of stuff without it before needing an ammo box. Not worth the cooldown penalty IMO.

Well, you could use a Talon, Paladin, Wraith, Claymore and other guns with the heavier mods and get no cooldown penalty.

Don't think they'll be up to the task. Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.
The key of the strategy is little exposure coupled with ultrahigh damage per second at close range. Reegar is optimal.

[GallowsPole]

Lexa_D wrote...

You two completely miss the point. You've been shown a great build and instead you start exposing your inner insecurity.

No. Ive been shown 'A' build. One of which does not fit into my personal playstyle. I use her much like the Fury, but with warp and a Talon. I don't need a weapon that decimates bosses in 5 seconds, simply cause I kite them for last whenever possible. When you can lay in a warp, spray some incendiary rounds, then run in and blow up a handful of pukes at once, then that's just as good isn't it? Its a TEAM based game. So my ability to take out enemies in one clip is unnecessary when 3 other players are involved. So stripping as much health as possible and having 3 other weapons/powers around would be much for efficient than having one guy/one weapon to do it. And I know how much the OP enjoys efficiency.

[Frozen Mind]

Lexa_D wrote...

Frozen Mind wrote...

Why I don't use Reegar on her? Because I use Acolyte, which works even on distance. The problem are big fat armored bosses when I'm not using Incendiary ammo, so I have to equip Eviscerator just in case. I care about cooldowns. I'd switch shotgun into Hurricane if only I had it.

Reegar X + Talon X(ULM) = +85% CD
Eviscerator X + Acolyte X = +150% CD

Unless you can solo Platinum with that loadout, poor comparison. I'm sure Fenecus can. I think even I can - will try this week.

Soloing Platinum and soloing Gold are 2 different things. And topic is about PUGs and should be about PUG games efficiency. On Gold you're overswarmed with lighter units (like Marauders) supported with bosses, on Platinum you're overswarmed with bosses supported (or even not) with lighter units. On Gold spawn budget makes you focus on groups of cheaper mobs instead of taking down Banshees (which is good as personal barrier regenerator against Reapers ). Unless you play GI with Javelin or something, then I guess better is to take down Ravagers instead - they die so fast and are easly aimed.

Reegar deals huge dps, but you can kill whole spawn instead, staggering with Acolyte, rushing and bombing with BEs. That's my point of view, which is based on my play style .

[peddroelm]

Lexa_D wrote...
 Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.

Practical in game Reegar sigle clip DPS  is nowhere near 8000 ... Whatever the cause might the 8000 number is strictly theoretical ...

[Feneckus]

GallowsPole wrote...

I use her much like the Fury.

I kite bosses for last whenever possible.

[GallowsPole]

Aside from a Prime, the bosses are meaningless and less dangerous than a handful of Marauders. Sue me.

[Feneckus]

Playing the Valkyrie like a Fury is like having LeBron James on your basketball team and have him play at center.

Sure it works but it's definitely not the right role.

[Lexa_D]

peddroelmz wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...
 Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.

Practical in game Reegar sigle clip DPS  is nowhere near 8000 ... Whatever the cause might the 8000 number is strictly theoretical ...

Your's is the opinion I'd never doubt However, the practical outcome was shown in the OP's vid - mighty impressive I say, 8k or not. Can't achieve that with Claymore on TSen, which comes closest.

[Blissey1]

I stay away from the Reegar because the idea of a weapon with such a limited max range really doesn't sit well with me. I mean, even the pirahna can get a lucky pellet spread at medium ranges!

that, and I only have it at II.

Modifié par Blissey1, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:10 .

[GallowsPole]

Lexa_D wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...
 Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.

Practical in game Reegar sigle clip DPS  is nowhere near 8000 ... Whatever the cause might the 8000 number is strictly theoretical ...

Your's is the opinion I'd never doubt However, the practical outcome was shown in the OP's vid - mighty impressive I say, 8k or not. Can't achieve that with Claymore on TSen, which comes closest.

Personally I couldn't gauge survivability since the video was spliced from different games. Noone is denying the effectiveness of a Reegar, Warp and Incendiary ammo. Just that this is the only build to use, which I don't believe it is.

[peddroelm]

Blissey1 wrote...

I stay away from the Reegar because the idea of a weapon with such a limited max range really doesn't sit well with me. I mean, even the pirahna can get a lucky pellet spread at medium ranges!

that, and I only have it at II.

For Piranha to put most of it DPS on target (on  a non- accuracy bonused class) - it must be used on a shorter range than Reegar maximum range ..

[GallowsPole]

Feneckus wrote...

Playing the Valkyrie like a Fury is like having LeBron James on your basketball team and have him play at center.

Sure it works but it's definitely not the right role.

That's the whole point of my posts. My view of the role is obviously different than yours. I play it 'like' a Fury, not exactly so. There is always more than one way to play a class. Since the other 3 players are unknowns, you never know what role you need to fill which is why sometimes you go with the more versatile vs. the most damaging. Up close and personal leaves you with a very narrow skillset vs a more broader one with longer ranged capable weapons.

Modifié par GallowsPole, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Kenadian]

Lexa_D wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Jeeshan2 wrote...

Out of curiosity OP, why didn't you use the high velocity barrel on the Reegar? Was it because of the cool down? 

Yeah. With that mod I could have used the extra ammo mod but it's not really needed since you can kill lots of stuff without it before needing an ammo box. Not worth the cooldown penalty IMO.

Well, you could use a Talon, Paladin, Wraith, Claymore and other guns with the heavier mods and get no cooldown penalty.

Don't think they'll be up to the task. Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.
The key of the strategy is little exposure coupled with ultrahigh damage per second at close range. Reegar is optimal.

Variety is the spice of life. I could bring my shotgun omniblade on my Wraith X and have absolutely nothing to worry about for my Warp cooldown, for instance. Or I could slap the heavy barrel on my Talon X and get ridiculously good damage out of it with it still having .6 weight and doing nothing to my cooldown, even with nothing invested in the passives.

Feneckus wrote...

Playing the Valkyrie like a Fury is like having LeBron James on your basketball team and have him play at center.

Sure it works but it's definitely not the right role.

I know I'm not the only one who read it as "it's definitely not the right hole."

Modifié par Kenadian, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[inversevideo]

Reading this makes me so envious.
I've wanted to play with the Valkyrie for so very long.

Alas, 40 or so PSP later and she still won't drop.
The RNG is trolling me. Ah we'll, it is what it is.

[Blissey1]

peddroelmz wrote...

Blissey1 wrote...

I stay away from the Reegar because the idea of a weapon with such a limited max range really doesn't sit well with me. I mean, even the pirahna can get a lucky pellet spread at medium ranges!

that, and I only have it at II.

For Piranha to put most of it DPS on target (on  a non- accuracy bonused class) - it must be used on a shorter range than Reegar maximum range ..

I know, but I'm talking about DPS at range. Pirahna is crap dps at range, Reegar is literally 0. It's a small thing, but it really bugs me. Not that i would ever try to sit back and snipe stuff with the pirahna or anything.

Really, it's just the principle of the thing.

[NuclearTech76]

Most average players prefer OP builds that are ranged not CQC unless it's on a Kroguard or something similar.

[synapsefire]

Someone asked me in game why I used the PPR on her and all I could think was why wouldn't I.

To me it's more about finding ways to make a boring and bland kit fun and less abut maxing my dps or score. I play her only to get the challenge done. Maybe I'll find an interesting angle or playstyle in the future but pairing her with the most boring gun in the game won't help me much XD.

[Leland Gaunt]

Reegar is a crutch, that's why.

[Lexa_D]

GallowsPole wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...
 Reegar burn in 1 clip most of the time, single clip DPS 8000 before ammo and debuff. Claymore needs several shots, multiple clip DPS 833. All the others lower.

Practical in game Reegar sigle clip DPS  is nowhere near 8000 ... Whatever the cause might the 8000 number is strictly theoretical ...

Your's is the opinion I'd never doubt However, the practical outcome was shown in the OP's vid - mighty impressive I say, 8k or not. Can't achieve that with Claymore on TSen, which comes closest.

Personally I couldn't gauge survivability since the video was spliced from different games. Noone is denying the effectiveness of a Reegar, Warp and Incendiary ammo. Just that this is the only build to use, which I don't believe it is.

Well, I rather read it as "look at this awesome build+weapons+consumables wrecking bosses, why aren't people using it", and am thankful for it, will definitely try.

[GallowsPole]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Most smart players prefer builds that are ranged not CQC unless it's on a Kroguard or something similar.

Fixed

[fulcrum290]

Feneckus wrote...


Since it doesn't get any more OP than Valkyrie + Reegar (), I find it surprising that I've yet to see one.

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Preference.

Some people never play GI + Piranha but prefer Claymore instead despite superior DPS pre-nerf

The best Asari Valkyrie player i know run with a Wraith

There is no "right" way to play this game, becuase for most kit there'sdifferent built that works very well, not the best DPS, but not very stupidly bad either.

Shotgun amps are rare to obtain, so people can preferably try SMG (Hurricane) Pistol (Talon), AR(Harrier) insatead, not everyone have 53 shotgun amp III.

Is basic diversify tatics that make the most use of all the crap I get from RNG store.

[ryoldschool]

My problem with this build is that he has a CM4. Unfortunately, the way the store works ( impossible to get exactly what you are running low on ) it is difficult to design a build that requires that consumable.

[cronshaw]

Feneckus wrote...

Usually people, especially PUGs, tend to use the most OP builds possible. That's why it's nearly impossible to be in a lobby without at least one infiltrator, although it's not as ridiculous as it was pre-TC nerf.

Since it doesn't get any more OP than Valkyrie + Reegar (), I find it surprising that I've yet to see one.

Doesn't really require any skill. You don't have to aim and she's quite durable thanks to tech armor + drain evo from annihilation field. Perfect for below average players in theory.

because she isn't as durable as the Krogan vanguard. 

[cronshaw]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Reegar is a crutch, that's why.

read the OP, he acknowledges that the reegar is a crutch.
He is wondering why players who like crutches don't like this build

Modifié par modok8, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[Dream-Maker]

Because despite its almost unmatched power against single targets its quite of a high risk build. Having to come at a range for both AF and reegar to hit can get you killed easily if you're not careful enough. And that's despite tech armor and the shield draining effect on AF.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:43 .