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[fchopin]

I do not play fps so no buy from me.

[Captain_Obvious]

I do not play FPS games. Give me a toggle for third-person and I will play it. I don't care how good a game is, if it is FPS only, I won't play it.

[staindgrey]

FPS, for me, doesn't suit a game with a character-driven narrative. Which is specifically what Bioware makes. Most FPS games have an intentionally "mysterious" (aka bland) character, or place more emphasis on the characters you actually SEE than the character you're playing, like what Borderlands does.

Shifting the camera view would, in essence, shift the franchise's purpose. If that's their goal, go for it. If it's not, keep away from the FPS POV.

[spacehamsterZH]

Ryuukishi wrote...
I like being able to see the character I create.

That's about the long and short of it for me. I have nothing against first person perspective in games in general, shooters or otherwise, but I'd really miss being able to see my Shepards outside of cutscenes.

Of course the reality is probably that the vast majority of people who played the ME games just played as Sheploo anyway, so I'm afraid this point is kind of moot. Sigh.

[Zakuspec089]

Why do you people want a freaking FPSRPG? THERE SO MANY FRWAKING OUT THERE. MASS EFFECT DOESN'T NEED IT, READ MY LIPS MASS EFFECT DOESN'T NEED A FPSRPG. I enjoy seeing the characters not a stupid retarded gun, I like building and customizing my character not a stupid gun. IF YOU WANT A FPS GO PLAY THOSE!!

I dislike Call Of Dutty and FPS fanboys there annoying. I have both FPS and TPS but I like TPS more because I like seeing the characters and they have better stories, I know Halo and Killzone are good FPS games. I'm not against FPS I don't mind If Mass Effect have a spin-off but Mass Effect should be kept a TPS/RPG that what I think and want,

Modifié par Zakuspec089, 20 novembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[Loreshield]

Gothic is not FP, though?

However, I think people are really missing the point most of the time. What I want from Mass Effect is, first and foremost, great atmosphere. And then I want a captivating story and interesting characters.

If they can make that work with another type of game (such as FPS), I have literally NO issues with that.

[ImperatorMortis]

I have no aversion to first person games. It just doesn't fit for main Mass Effect/Bioware game.

[Sparbiter]

Arcian wrote...

 ... but there have been a lot of great FPSRPGs.

Deus Ex and DX:Human Revolution.
System Shock.
BioShock.
Elder Scrolls (well, some of them).
Fallout 3 and NV.
Neuro Hunter.
Gothic.
Thief.
Arx Fatalis.
Ultima.
Borderlands.
Stalker.

And that's the tip of the iceberg. What's more, most of these are much better RPGs than ME where mechanics, choices and path options are concerned. So, why the bigotry against FPS's? Not every FPS is a mindless shooter like CoD and BF. Mass Effect 4 would work amazingly like an FPS, but there should definitely be an option to play third person as well.

And here we go.

The bolded ones are not first person shooters, and I haven't played the italicized ones.

There's nothing wrong with Mass Effect developing better shooting mechanics; in fact, I encourage it.

And I definitely wouldn't mind losing the World or Warcraft mentality of discarding old guns as soon as you find a new one; Bioware is horrible at balancing weapons. The M8 Avenger should have its advantages over a rarer weapon.

That said, the core of ME3 is in storytelling, choice, and the "RPG" element of building your characters appearance, powers, and relationships. The latter 3 are definitely not FPS elements.


You want to put in a BF3 type gun mechanics for ME4? Great, as long as you don't compromise the game's story and RPG elements.

People hear "FPS" and think Call of Duty. That's not the case when a lot of ask for better shooting mechanics and weapon balance.

If you're talking about switching away from the cover system altogether, I think you're making a mistake, btw. Look at Ghost Recon for a good "third person shooter". Better mechanics, weapons does not equal removal of cover.

Modifié par Sparbiter, 20 novembre 2012 - 10:12 .

[Battlebloodmage]

spirosz wrote...

Most (key word here) people hate FPS because it's the "cool" thing to do, tbh.

I hate FPS because it gives me motion sickness. I feel less immersion when playing in FPS. Even when you say most, I don't think it's true. People just prefer one style over the others, not because they're some types of hipsters.

[Amirit]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

While I have no problem with this in theory, first person games make me nauseous as hell. Shooter, RPG, it really doesn't matter. So go for it, but I certainly won't be playing it.

Unless it's Portal. I would literally play for fifteen minutes, then lie down for a half hour, just to get through Portal. So worth it, but that was a hell of a game.

This. And we are not alone. It's a common problem. FPS games do live without us but in case of ME some fans will be cut off.

[Gatt9]

Just have to point out, pretty much all of the games on that list aren't RPG's. More than a few of them were never even marketed as RPG's (Bioshock, Thief, are good examples)

FPS = Player based skill
RPG = Character based skill

They're polar opposite concepts. You cannot mix the two. You cannot have an RPG with Player based skill, because then you do not have a character as the character has no qualities, all you end up with is an Avatar for self-insertion, which contradicts RPG's.

An RPG isn't about "What would I be like in (medival, future) times?", an RPG is about "What is this Role I'm assuming like?".

One of the biggest problems over the last few years has been marketing departments slapping "RPG" on the box of games that aren't RPG's just to try and squeeze out a few more sales.

[Fishy]

I don't consider Bioshock and thief has role playing game.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Mass Effect 4 will, unfortunately, be first person. Mark my words. EA wants Call of Duty money, and they will emulate CoD as much as possible. Now that the trilogy is over, and the doctors are gone, EA will clone CoD and begin the milking. Do not buy it, folks.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I actually like FPS view in RPGs (for example in Oblivion, Skyrim, FO:NV and BL2) ... Whoever doesn't like the 1st person view in RPG is a PLEB! / Word. .. Nuff said.

[Sebby]

Sparbiter wrote...

That said, the core of ME3 is in storytelling, choice, and the "RPG" element of building your characters appearance, powers, and relationships. The latter 3 are definitely not FPS elements.

Storytelling a pro in ME3's favor? You kidding me? It's a nonsensical plot involving a deus ex machina that nobody knows how it works or what it does and a main antagonist whose motivation makes the alien plot in "Plan 9" look sensible.

And "Choice"? What "choice"?! All I see is some interchangable throw dialogue and characters who produce "war assets" that have as much impact on the game as me typing random numbers on a calculator.

Sorry brah, ME3 is a lot of things but it's not above the likes of CoD or Halo(It's actually below them in some respects).

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Omg the ****storm that is coming when they announce an ME first person shooter ala Halo. *buys popcorn to pop in microwave when time is right*

[Homebound]

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 21 novembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[DragonRageGT]

Huge mistake in OP's list.

Gothic is no where near a FPRPG. It is a full TPRPG without the possibility of FP like Elder Scrolls, which I, like some others, only play in third person view. FPS makes me sick too.

PS.: Nice Pony, HB!

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:20 .

[Fidget6]

I don't play too many FPS's because they literally make me dizzy and nauseous for some reason. If I REALLY like the game I'll play as long as my body will allow me to before I feel like I have to puke. Pretty much the only first person game I play regularly is Mirror's Edge. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will, unfortunately, be first person. Mark my words. EA wants Call of Duty money, and they will emulate CoD as much as possible. Now that the trilogy is over, and the doctors are gone, EA will clone CoD and begin the milking. Do not buy it, folks.

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Omg the ****storm that is coming when they announce an ME first person shooter ala Halo. *buys popcorn to pop in microwave when time is right*

Makes you wonder what they're even trying to go for, EA that is; they already have Battlefield as their big first-person shooter, and you'd think that'd be enough to compete with Microsoft's Halo or Activision's Call of Duty. Medal of Honor just doesn't cut it to go head to head with CoD, nor would a first-person ME be the answer to Halo.

Sure, I can understand wanting to compete with the yearly releases of the other big guys, but surely there are better ways than a sub-par, second modern military shooter or turning Mass Effect into something its fans clearly don't want to be. I don't often agree with the fanbase, and the resulting game may actually be good, but the mere thought of wanting to compete with Halo seems like an exercise in futility. 

Although, on the bright side, I'm sure EA Montreal will still manage to produce a better game than its Edmonton counterpart. 

Refining the Battlefield formula seems like such a more obvious thing to do, though, to get rid of the big hurdles that might keep people from jumping into it; getting a more solid campaign, minimalizing pc-console differences and cutting down on those huuuuge dlc plans (50-60 bucks of planned dlc is not how you bait prospective new customers, and a "Premium Edition" with all the dlc a year afterwards isn't all that appealing either).

And on a kinda random last note, I'm not sure to what extent I'm able to blame Overstrike > Fuse on EA, but that change really seems like a damn waste to me; as Overstrike that could've been the start of a rather successful cooperation between EA and Insomniac with yearly to bi-yearly releases (assuming EA would be able to hold onto the latter), whereas as Fuse I can't really see this IP going anywhere but down the gutter like so many other a dime a dozen shooters.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 21 novembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[Eurypterid]

Grubas wrote...
First Person Perspective is more immersive, since puts you at eye level with the characters you interact.

I've seen this stated a number of times in discussion about FP games.

I find it has the exact opposite effect for me. Nothing throws me out of a game faster than FP perspective since I find it disorienting, extremely difficult to judge distance/depth, and it's like looking through a small window. Not at all life-like, IMO. I hate FP perspective bad enough that I'll bypass almost any game if it doesn't also offer a TP viewpoint.

[Selene Moonsong]

Eurypterid wrote...

I've seen this stated a number of times in discussion about FP games.

I find it has the exact opposite effect for me. Nothing throws me out of a game faster than FP perspective since I find it disorienting, extremely difficult to judge distance/depth, and it's like looking through a small window. Not at all life-like, IMO. I hate FP perspective bad enough that I'll bypass almost any game if it doesn't also offer a TP viewpoint.

QFT!

[Cyberarmy]

I dont mind the perspective if the game is good.
Just some TPS games bugs me when they wont allow me zoom out more thus limiting my view in some fight/situations.