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[danby]

If me4 is 50 years later, would you want to play with an 80 year old sheppard?  I mean it would be kinda  hilarious,  but ultimately silly.

Why would you assume that me4 would be a direct sequil right after.   For all we know it will be 200 years later and you play sheppard and liaras asari baby.....er kid......probably not a baby after 200 years.

Modifié par danby, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

I don't like the endings either, but come on. There is WAY more to explore in the Mass Effect universe than concerns Shepard & crew. I am happy to go along on the journey with a new protagonist.

Which I would be totally on board with if I had any confidence that a "new" journey wouldn't be a trip down disappointment lane.  Bioware has exhausted my goodwill in that regard. 

Yea, and that's certainly your prerogative.  Game companies have to be careful with their fans as the price of a game is a lot more costly than, say, a movie ticket.  I, however, will give them my money.

Good for you, but I won't be giving them my money.  Or ordering stuff at their online store.  Or preordering.  Or recommending.  Or standing in line at midnight to spend 80 bucks on a collector's edition I will only play once.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  I used a week's vacation to play ME3 because it was supposed to be epic.  My fault for being a fanboy.  Never again. 

[Yate]

yeah it's not like BioWare has a history of writing great characters or anything

[SpamBot2000]

The same guy who brought you the craptastic ABC is still in charge though.

[SpamBot2000]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

He also brought you ME1, 2 and KOTOR (IIRC).

Yes, and it really makes you wonder. Was his contribution along the lines of 'Hey Drew, create me a richly imagined sci-fi universe, will ya?" Or did something weird happen to him in 2011?

In any case, it's not like you can count on him to not have a hissy fit and throw out a project of several years of work again after what happened the last time. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:42 .

[SpamBot2000]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

He also brought you ME1, 2 and KOTOR (IIRC).

Yes, and it really makes you wonder. Was his contribution along the lines of 'Hey Drew, create me a richly imagined sci-fi universe, will ya?" Or did something weird happen to him in 2011?

In any case, it's not like you can count on him to not have a hissy fit and throw out a project of several years of work again after what happened the last time. 

Now that he's working for EA, that will probably be the case more often than not. I don't think a loss of creative flow is what caused the ending. I think pressure from an impending deadline and script changes is what did him in. At that point he couldn't really do anything except defend his work or blame the bosses. Seeing as he probably enjoys being employed the choice was clear.

Yeah, the deadline must have had a lot to do with it. ME3 has all the signs of a mad rush job. Although promoting Walters to lead writer couldn't have helped. Just look at how Arrival played out in the end... 

[TheTrueObelus]

I could have played a new Mass Effect game without Shepard easily if they hadn't destroyed all trust with the ME3 ending.

In Dragon Age the ending I picked was to sacrifice my character. Dead. Killed while slaying the dragon. Did not bone Morrigan and have an evil dragon baby to avoid death. I wanted to play the game as a pure Paragon and I was rewarded by a great ending. Not a happy ending, but it was a hopeful ending. I saw how all my ingame decisions played out. For the DLC add-ons I made a new character and could still see how my previous characters sacrifice affected the world. 

This is how it should have been for ME3. It wasn't. Instead we got synthesis, control, and destroy. None of them made any sense and all were a complete betrayal of what had come before. If you don't realize that then you didn't play what came before, or you were just here for the pew pew and side boob.

Modifié par TheTrueObelus, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:32 .

[Yate]

if you think the deadline messed up the ending you are an idiot who has no idea how games are made

you don't start at the beginning and make everything perfect up until the end

you create a skeleton, then you fill it in

anyone who thinks all bad writing is Walters' fault is a moron as well

[LeVaughnX]

I love all the new kids here who jumped on the Mass Effect bandwagon because of the Multiplayer. News flash - stop playing this game and get out before you ruin the series further please. Go play Mass Effect 1 before playing the other two - then you can post about your ****.

Secondly - I don't think you should play ME4 unless they bring Shepard back for 4/5/6 because the game is not finished / Shepards story is full of holes at the end of ME3 - and they need to fix this before they move on to someone/something else.

[SpamBot2000]

Yate wrote...

if you think the deadline messed up the ending you are an idiot who has no idea how games are made

you don't start at the beginning and make everything perfect up until the end

you create a skeleton, then you fill it in

anyone who thinks all bad writing is Walters' fault is a moron as well

I feel I should respond, since you obviously seek attention.

I just can't come up with anything to say. Maybe it's the idiocy.

[Tootles FTW]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

I don't like the endings either, but come on. There is WAY more to explore in the Mass Effect universe than concerns Shepard & crew. I am happy to go along on the journey with a new protagonist.

Which I would be totally on board with if I had any confidence that a "new" journey wouldn't be a trip down disappointment lane.  Bioware has exhausted my goodwill in that regard. 

Yea, and that's certainly your prerogative.  Game companies have to be careful with their fans as the price of a game is a lot more costly than, say, a movie ticket.  I, however, will give them my money.

Good for you, but I won't be giving them my money.  Or ordering stuff at their online store.  Or preordering.  Or recommending.  Or standing in line at midnight to spend 80 bucks on a collector's edition I will only play once.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  I used a week's vacation to play ME3 because it was supposed to be epic.  My fault for being a fanboy.  Never again. 

Shrug. I took off an entire week of work for Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, and Dragon Age 2.  Whenever I take off now, even if for a day, my coworkers ask me what game is coming out, heh.  While I agree that the ME3 ending fiasco certainly was a low-blow to the gut whereas I loved Dragon Age 2 despite the controversy, Bioware has still consistently produced my favorite games.  Also, it has yet to be determined if the Mass Effect 4 team will be composed of the same lead writer/writers and producer which will certainly lend credibility to the project one way or the other. 

Considering the biggest thing I can fault them for equates to 10 minutes of playtime - even though they couldn't have ruined more in 10 minutes if they had actively tried - I still give the majority of Bioware folks the benefit of my doubt.  So yes, while I enjoy b!tching about my problems with ME3 I will also defend what they have accomplished.  It's a complicated relationship. 

[Captain_Obvious]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Shrug. I took off an entire week of work for Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, and Dragon Age 2.  Whenever I take off now, even if for a day, my coworkers ask me what game is coming out, heh.  While I agree that the ME3 ending fiasco certainly was a low-blow to the gut whereas I loved Dragon Age 2 despite the controversy, Bioware has still consistently produced my favorite games.  Also, it has yet to be determined if the Mass Effect 4 team will be composed of the same lead writer/writers and producer which will certainly lend credibility to the project one way or the other. 

Considering the biggest thing I can fault them for equates to 10 minutes of playtime - even though they couldn't have ruined more in 10 minutes if they had actively tried - I still give the majority of Bioware folks the benefit of my doubt.  So yes, while I enjoy b!tching about my problems with ME3 I will also defend what they have accomplished.  It's a complicated relationship. 

And I am very happy that you still have faith in Bioware.  I also loved DA2 despite its flaws.  I sincerely hope Bioware will make a product I enjoy, I am just done giving them the benefit of the doubt at the expense of my wallet. In effect, they turned me into a consumer rather than a fan.  It's up to them to keep me as a consumer.  Until then, my pessimism based on past experience shall prevail. 

[Alien Number Six]

Why is the sky blue? Why is water wet? Why does fire burn? Why do I get drunk?

[Conniving_Eagle]

You don't like art?

[Sparbiter]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

I didn't play the Mass Effect series for the action. Other shooters do it better. I didn't play it for the story. It borrows from multiple other fictions anyway. I played it for the choices I was allowed to make and how it affected my gameplay experience. But now my Shepard is dead and so are the descisions I've made. We all know that destroying the Reapers, controling them, or causing synthesis won't make it into ME4 because it would just be 3 different games and EAware is too lazy for that. They didn't even bother to wrap up my unique choices in an appropriate ending.

If you like the universe?

Shepard was iconic, but the game will live on without him/her. Bioware has to live up to some big expectations, but why does it matter what his/her last name was?

You made Shepard. You probably gave him a face, you gave him a backstory, you shaped his relationships, you made his decisions, you decided his fate....

There is no reason that Bioware can't do it again, with a new hero.

[Nightwriter]

Well, I would have probably said "why should I invest myself in another character when the first one I invested myself in died an empty death" but to each their own I suppose.

[noobcannon]

i chose destroy so i'm good to go.

[Kalo Windu]

LeVaughnX wrote...

I love all the new kids here who jumped on the Mass Effect bandwagon because of the Multiplayer.

How true and how sad at the same time. That's exactly what EA wanted: MP in ME3 (it should have been a spin-off game), SWTOR instead of KOTOR3, etc.

Next step: Jade Empire 2 Ninja Gaiden? 

Modifié par Kalo Windu, 21 novembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[ShadyKat]

Because Mass Effect isn't about Shepard. Just like Star Trek wasn't about Captain Kirk, and Star Wars isn't about Luke Skywalker. It's about the universe, and the many stories to be told in it. Shep is dead (his/her body was destroyed in every ending), let it go.

[Kawamura]

ShadyKat wrote...

Because Mass Effect isn't about Shepard. Just like Star Trek wasn't about Captain Kirk, and Star Wars isn't about Luke Skywalker. It's about the universe, and the many stories to be told in it. Shep is dead (his/her body was destroyed in every ending), let it go.

Actually, Mass Effect is about Shepard. 

Shepard is the embodiment of your interactions with the ME universe and the agent of your choices. The universe is interesting, but it's interesting because of your investment in it, which is focused on and through Shepard. Removing Shepard is a lot like removing you from the story. 

In Dragon Age, the world is imported from game to game, not the protagonist. In ME, it's been important that Shepard and their choices were imported from game to game. 

[Laforgus]

I never played the game as the character Sheppard, but as myself incarnated in it. Shepard was just my last name on this game, i cant understand why many people play the protagonist as if were some one else.