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[LordMilitus]

 I read that minor crew members, three of them, die if you don't IMMIDIATLY go to rescue your crew from the Collectors, even if they're minor and don't matter, I'd like to save them.. but not at the cost of loosing Legion, how would I best have him survive and will it count if I do his mission after the main plot, same as Arrival?

[PsiFive]

Actually it's not three, it's half the crew including Kelly and Mess Sgt Gardner die on the Collector base if you don't get there in time. But the good news is you can certainly keep Legion alive without doing his loyalty mission, and you can also complete his loyalty mission without being too late to save the whole crew if you prefer.

First option is arguably the easiest. Providing everyone else you have recruited is loyal you can keep Legion alive on the Suicide Mission by not giving him any specific jobs to do. In general all the people you assign to specific tasks, i.e. the tech specialist, the biotic specialist, the support team leader, the person escorting crew survivors back to Normandy, and the two people you take with you to fight the final boss, should all be both suited to the task and loyal to Shepard (there's an exception but it's not relevant to your question). If your Legion is not loyal then just keep him in the main group and providing your other choices are loyal and correct the main group will keep Legion alive.

Second option is one I've managed to get wrong several times so this is subject to correction by anyone else who knows better and gets it right every time. First you need to do all the other plot missions, including loyalty missions, up to the Reaper IFF acquisition mission. Once you get back from the Reaper IFF mission where you get a dormant Legion you should go and wake him up immediately. Don't talk to anyone else, don't use the galaxy map, don't do anything. EDI will mention the IFF needs time to be integrated with the Normandy systems - ignore that too. As soon as you control Shepard again once the discussion with Miranda and Jacob in the comms room is over go straight downstairs to where Legion is and wake him up. Then continue to talk to him until he tells you about the loyalty mission to the heretic geth station. If I've remembered this correctly you should now be able to go and do Legion's loyalty mission by going to the galaxy map and plotting a relay jump to the Phoenix Massing cluster and then flying to the station in the Sea of Storms. After completing the mission Legion will be loyal and the Collector kidnap part of the story will trigger the next time you access the galaxy map.

[If anyone can confirm or correct that for LordMilitus I'd be grateful - I don't want to give the guy a bad steer]

By the way, once the crew has been kidnapped you can't do missions, even side missions, without risking increasing numbers of them being killed by the Collectors, but you should be able to go shopping if you want. On my first playthrough I thought I lost half the crew because I went off to buy the last few weapons and equipment things before going through the Omega 4 relay, but others here on the forums assured me that this wasn't so. I just stuffed up the waking up Legion thing and I have gone shopping, done Legion's mission and saved the whole crew in subsequent playthroughs. But I have accidentally got half of them killed more often than I'd have liked.

[coldwetn0se]

@Psifive - you have it pretty much right for Legion's LM. I have managed to get him loyal before hitting the Omega 4 relay all but the first time I played (lost half the crew, but no squadmates. Legion, Miranda and Zaeed were all unloyal, but ship was fully upgraded, and I chose "wisely" for all assigned jobs.) I just always go straight to Legion after the comm room scene, once the Reaper IFF is retrieved. I have read that you are "supposed" to be able to do Legion's LM even after the kidnapping of the crew, but since you can trigger the LM to come up, and head out on that mission WITHOUT triggering the abduction scenes, this would be the safest route to take.

[LordMilitus]

1. Can't keep Legion with you if he's not loyal? Darn.
2. You can have Kelly etc survive if you do one loyalty mission, but three MINOR (I don't consider Kelly etc minor.) crewmembers die, http://masseffect.wi...man_Hadley#Crew It's all here. :-) I think it's Rolston, Hawthorne and Hadley. I know it doesn't matter, but I want ALL to survive for once.
3. Well, I'll try and do as you said, just to talk to Legion immidiatly before doing anything else to get his LM before the crew gets kidnapped.


Any input to add? I'd love it. Thanks so far.

[psychocandy]

PsiFive has it pretty much nailed

you must wake legion and then speak to him again or the collectors will hit

you can scan every planet and land on every hub world after doing this, but any mission no matter how small will trigger it, then legion's loyalty mission becomes a risk to your crews safety

[PsiFive]

LordMilitus,

1. You can only take loyal squaddies on the final part of the suicide mission. You can keep non-loyals alive in the earlier sections as I recall, but the final boss fight is supposed to kill them. If you want Legion there, and it's a good idea as Harbinger loves to stop attacking you to deal with Legion's drones, then you need him loyal.

2. IIRC the Normandy crew body count has only 4 possible outcomes. All survive, half dead including Kelly and the others I mentioned, all dead apart from Dr Chakwas, or all dead. If your play has determined that there will be any dead crew at all then Kelly is certain to be among them. In fact she is the first one to die.... right in front of Shepard's face. Better not wait if you want your fish fed. And remember to feed your fish while Kelly is away or they die instead.

3. Best way.

[silverserfer28]

After legion pick up , loyal etc were do you shop for weapons and upgrades safely without crew being collector soup?

[PsiFive]

AFAIK anywhere you like for as long as you like. Anything that triggers mission summary screens will see crew turned into Vegemite, including even something as straightforward and passive as doing the monument for the original Normandy. No shops trigger summary screens so you ought to be able to visit every one if you need to.

[LordMilitus]

PsiFive wrote...

LordMilitus,

1. You can only take loyal squaddies on the final part of the suicide mission. You can keep non-loyals alive in the earlier sections as I recall, but the final boss fight is supposed to kill them. If you want Legion there, and it's a good idea as Harbinger loves to stop attacking you to deal with Legion's drones, then you need him loyal.

2. IIRC the Normandy crew body count has only 4 possible outcomes. All survive, half dead including Kelly and the others I mentioned, all dead apart from Dr Chakwas, or all dead. If your play has determined that there will be any dead crew at all then Kelly is certain to be among them. In fact she is the first one to die.... right in front of Shepard's face. Better not wait if you want your fish fed. And remember to feed your fish while Kelly is away or they die instead.

3. Best way.

Are you sure about Hadley etc too? I'm fairly sure they can die without Kelly dieing.

[PsiFive]

Positive. As I recall it's covered in more depth on the wiki you referenced, though not on the particular wiki page you mentioned earlier. This does not actually say that only three die (my emphasis):

Among the known casualties, if Shepard doesn't immediately go through the Omega 4 Relay, are: Crewman Goldstein, Crewman Hawthorne, and Crewman Rolston.

Also among the known casualties is a certain Yeoman Kelly Chambers. It's clearer on this page.

Note: Once the IFF is installed you have a choice, either head to the Omega 4 Relay, or continue completing assignments. If you choose to go immediately, you will save the entire crew. If you do 1 to 3 assignments, then you will lose half the crew, including Kelly Chambers. If you do 4 or more assignments, then you will lose the entire crew except for Doctor Chakwas.

And depending on a decision you have to make after that it's possible for Chakwas to die later (I think off screen) which would leave Joker, who didn't get captured in the first place, as the only surviving Normandy crew member. In any case Kelly only survives if you're in time to rescue the whole crew. The possibilities are actually very easy to see in the Gibbed save editor, which also lets you cheat and bring Kelly and the other dead crew back to life just by changing a check mark in a box.
And yes, I have done this for a playthrough where I accidentally got half the crew killed again and didn't want to.

[LordMilitus]

..Whow, I love you so much Thank you. Good to know :-) Then I can just do Legions loyalty mission and all without Goldstein etc dieing! Thanks so much!

[LordMilitus]

Hmm.. Would I be able to do Legions Loyalty mission earlier (as I have unlocked ihm early) and then deactivate him for the IFF mission, then enable him again and have the loyalty mission still working, as in completed?

[Ferretinabun]

LordMilitus wrote...

Hmm.. Would I be able to do Legions Loyalty mission earlier (as I have unlocked ihm early) and then deactivate him for the IFF mission, then enable him again and have the loyalty mission still working, as in completed?

The Normandy being boarded is not directly tied to Legion's active state. It is tied into doing the IFF mission.

Once you do the IFF mission (and have Legion on board), then you may do only one more recruitment/loyalty mission before the Normandy is boarded (heard rumours you might be able to get away with doing DLC missions, but not sure on that one).

Thus, if you leave the IFF mission as late as possible, then that one mission can be Legion's loyalty mission.

After the Normandy is boarded you must go immediately through the relay to save all crew. The more missions you do before you go, the more crew will die.

[LordMilitus]

I meant, with the Save Game Editor Ferret, I have had Legion with me all game (didn't recruit him.)

And before the IFF, I will disable Legion and go get him again, but if I were to do his Loyalty mission before the IFF mission, would I have to do it again after the IFF, or would that decision stay?

And if you say immidiatly after to save all the crew, you mean I can do /ONE/ mission.. Right? D:

[Ferretinabun]

Oh right. Sorry, don't know about the Save Game Editor.

All I know is the game takes its cue from the IFF mission, not from activating Legion.

To clarify, it goes:

- Reaper IFF mission (where you recruit Legion)
- ONE mission (Legion's loyalty if you want him loyal for the Suicide Mission)
- Crew kidnapped
- Must leave immediately to save crew.

[PsiFive]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Oh right. Sorry, don't know about the Save Game Editor.

All I know is the game takes its cue from the IFF mission, not from activating Legion.

To clarify, it goes:

- Reaper IFF mission (where you recruit Legion)
- ONE mission (Legion's loyalty if you want him loyal for the Suicide Mission)
- Crew kidnapped
- Must leave immediately to save crew.

Normally true. However if LordMilitus does Legion's loyalty mission before going to get the Reaper IFF, which is an option when using Gibbed to get Legion early, and all the other loyalty missions are also complete then I think it goes like this:

- Reaper IFF mission where you recruit the Legion you Gibbed on board your ship earlier
- Crew kidnapped immediately
- Leave now to save crew or at least some of them will become goo.

[LordMilitus]

Hmm, interesting. I'll try it I suppose, need to make sure to save. I'd have guessed that if I do Legions early that somebody else will not be loyal, which can be solved by putting them in the secondary group, correct? As I had planned to take Tali and Legion with.

[PsiFive]

Nope. You can have them all loyal long before doing the IFF acquisition just through regular play without using Gibbed to do anything more than add Legion early. IIRC my first Gibbed play I added Legion right after I got the Normandy SR2 just so I could take him to the Citadel with me to meet the Council. I can't remember when it kicked in but Kelly started telling me that Legion wanted to see me quite early, I think before I'd even finished recruiting the rest of the squad. I did uncheck him for the IFF mission but left the loyalty flag checked, though I seem to recall reading somewhere that you don't even need to do that much and that it's fine as long as you don't take him with you on the mission.

[LordMilitus]

I do want to take him with me into the Collector Base though, but hmm.. It's interesting, cheers.

[PsiFive]

You still can. Even if you unchecked him in Gibbed before the IFF mission you're going to get him back in the process of doing the mission. Once it's complete the game will basically check the box you just unchecked. The difference from a normal playthrough is that the Legion Is Loyal box will be checked that whole time so he won't want to go to the heretic station again.

[LordMilitus]

krul2k wrote...

sure there also a slight shift in dialogue in me3 if you used gibbed to get legion early and took him to tali's loyalty mission, think its from raan when legion first comes on normandy in me3, might be mistaken but im sure there is

Heard there is, that's why I did it. Thanks :-) 

[Janpsula]

Is it possible to edit the save file to save to crew if you've already played many missions after the crew was kidnapped. I would like to save Kelly but I can't find any value in the save file editor to make it possible to save the crew. Does anyone know if there's a way?

[Janpsula]

The thing is, I can't find options for the crew (Kelly, Chakwas, etc). I can only find the flags for the squad members. Am I overlooking somethings here?