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[abnocte]

I don't see any reason not to do a sequel.

I mean, in ME2 Shepard can die yet they released ME3 with Shepard alive and kicking and no Lazarus v2.0 involved.

If that isn't overwriting your ME2 choices I don't know what it is.

Add to that the the Stargazer sequence is exactly the same regardless of your ending choice: Shepard became a legend that solved the Reapers conflict.
They only need to fastforward the game a thousand years and whether the genophage was cured or not can become irrelevant.

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

If a sequel is made, Bioware should ignore all the endings.  "We won.  Reapers lost.  End of story"  Bury the endings and never speak of them again.  That's one choice that really shouldn't matter.  No good would come of it.

this followed by an apology for their hubris and lack of humility upon receiving and implementing feedback

[George Costanza]

I would rather a sequel because a prequel seems pointless. A sequel at least shows us how life goes on after the events of ME3. A prequel is just "Oh here's some more **** that happened that doesn't matter because of the ending".

[Kaos_Scorpio]

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...

Genuine curiosity: What makes you think this would be a good idea? Do you even value the fact that player choice is a huge part of why this series is so (mostly) amazing?

If it happens Bioware would most likely have to canonize an overall outcome (not just Red, Blue or Green, but the current state of the Krogan, the Quarians, the Rachni, the Geth etc..). This removes ALL illusions of choice we had throughout the Trilogy, and makes choosing an ending completely arbitarty (not that any of what happened at the end was great). And looking at the "default" choices they would have you import in to ME3 if you had not played the original games, the galaxy would not be in a state to write home about. Of course, it's "possible" that the writers will be able to impliment all of these possible outcomes (and this is the only way I would ever accept a sequel), but it's unlikely.. especially if they follow through on the promise that ME3 was the end of Shepards story. And no, simply setting it far in the future does not fix these issues, you still have to add/remove entire races, the existence of Reapers and whether or not every form of life in the galaxy is biosynthetic.

Going back, or running at a similar time still has a lot of possibilities I feel many are not even considering. And no, we don't "already know the ending", because we don't have to include any reference to Shepard, his crew, or the Reapers at all. Now I know that for some reason people will have switched off here immediately, because for some reason a lot of people think Mass Effect can't exist without Shepard. Well she won't be appearing at all in a "sequel" anyway, so I don't see the problem. There are so many options for a main character it's crazy: a trader, pirate, pioneer, space detective, explorer, mercenary.... the list goes on. And not to mention, none of these characters have to be human either. It could be an espionage game focused around the First Contact War, an exploration game set around new colonies after peace settled, an elcor living tank employed by the Blue Suns,  or could even take place before Humanity became part of the galactic community at all, and focus around the Rachni Wars, or the forming of the council. Not every story told in the universe has to have us saving the galaxy from some sort of huge threat, a more focused, refined and smaller scale story could pull the series along amazingly well. All of these can still have the character development, descision making, exploration and storytelling that made us love Mass Effect in the first place, without making Bioware force a canon ending on us, and without making every single one of our descisions (including the endings) trivial.

You speak that the only way to save the series is by going backwards. Doing a prequel really puts constraints into how the story can be told, we know how the First contact war ended we know how the Krogan rebellions ened we know what happend to the protheans. The way you talk we should make a triple A title about building the Titanic or Vietnam War

[OMEGAlomaniac]

Some interesting points brought up by some of you here for sure, (along with some not so interesting ones).

I think it's interesting that some people think they did a good job writing the universe in KOTOR, when they have clearly chose Light Side Revan as the canon choice, no? The story is well written sure, but it assumes you never lapsed and fell to the Dark Side, Bastilla survived etc...

Forgive we if the OP got a little rambly, I wrote it a half 3 in the morning xD What I was originally trying to get across (I didn't at all) is that a sequel might not be all bad.... as long as they don't choose a canon ending. I'm under no illusion that a huge amount of BSN are fans of Destroy, nothing more and nothing less. And yes, one of my Shepards did choose that ending. But I have also played through to Control, Synthesis AND Refusal. I don't think any of them should be the "wrong" choice (all of them have bad and good points imo). If they are going to reflect that all of these were a possibility in a sequel it would take a lot of work, and honestly I'm not sure Bioware have it in them to make none of them canon. Here, I would like to be proven wrong.

I'm also still quite suprised at how many of you think a prequel is a bad idea because you think you know how it will end, but why is that the case? Not every story has to be related to the Reapers/changing the face of the galaxy etc.. Something on a smaller, more refined scale could lead to better story telling, rather than trying to take on the entire universe in the state(s) it was left in after 3.

Thats where my mind is at right now anyway xD Some of your ideas are very interesting, T-Ranks has some good points that BW could use to help ease off the burden on the "state of the galaxy" side, and as long as they use that in combination with taking into account how it was left by Shep, done properly it could be interesting. Others have interesting ideas too! Keep em coming I say.

[Fogg]

spirosz wrote...

Choices, in Mass Effect, LOL.

[Linkenski]

Dubozz wrote...

We asked for satisfying endings that make sense, got retarded ones. Just want to forget about them, destroy for canon and a new story in future. And yeah prequels sucks.

Lol, Bioware didn't "ask" what ending you wanted in ME3 before it came out. You had no say to what the ending should be.

We always had choice in ME but we were to choose between the pre-determined choices that we got.

It was always that way, and you are entitled.

[OdanUrr]

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...

Genuine curiosity: What makes you think this would be a good idea? Do you even value the fact that player choice is a huge part of why this series is so (mostly) amazing?

I want to see a sequel because I'm curious as to how Bioware will take account of our choices at the end of ME3. You say Bioware will inevitably choose a canon and run with it but, while that's certainly a possibility, it need not be so. Going with a prequel is the easy, safe, choice. I'd much rather Bioware accepted the challenge of developing a sequel. Should they choose to develop a prequel I'd understand, but I'd be extremely disappointed.

[Mezantine]

My reason for wanting a sequel is because Bioware did a really great job creating a unique universe, and then (imo) botched the ending of it's story. Personally I would enjoy a sequel that would have us traveling to other galaxies and meeting new Alien species. Also any game that is a prequel will just keep making me think about how much i didn't enjoy the ending of the main trilogy and suck a lot of the fun out of it for me. I'd rather Bioware make a sequel and expand their universe instead of focusing on a prequel for a story that many people have become jaded towards.

[SpamBot2000]

BioWare really did get seriously screwed by Casey Hudson's sabotage. It's a tribute to the camaraderie that made the company strong they even continue to employ him.

It will be interesting to see what they can come up to fix it. A prequel would have no such interest to it.

[Heimdall]

If they jump far enough in the future and use the choices of previous games to modify the events between the games so as to minimize the drastic choices. It would be doable.

[cyrslash1974]

To OP, we know (partially) what happened in the past thanks to information contained in codex, novels, etc but we would like to know what will be the future of the galaxy, considering the final choice of ME3. Big challenge for BW, I assume but interesting concept.

[Pedrak]

People want a Mass Effect 4 which allows to import all choices, and where all choices have a big impact, no matter how vastly different the outcome is supposed to be, if everybody died, became half-synthetic, or whatever.

They want their Shepard to be around. And their Love Interest. And their buddy Garrus. Oh, and why not the Warden too?

And in ME4 Keyser Soze should be caught. And Mufasa and Bambi's mom should be alive too and roam around Tuchanka. And every question left unanswered in LOST should be explained by a friendly AI in the Citadel. And on the Normandy you should be able to have exclusive access to the third season of Game of Thrones.

And the game should be shipped with a Ferrari. Driven by Maria Sharapova. In a French maid outfit.

Modifié par Pedrak, 22 novembre 2012 - 11:01 .

[chuckles471]

Get a rotating dart board.

Split into three sections (red, green and blue).

Get Casey Hudson Indian or Mexican food, and wait a couple of hours.

Place blowdart gun "near" hind quarters.

Wait for the magic.

Congratulations you have a cannon ending and youtube gold. I would even accept synthesis with this method.

Modifié par chuckles471, 22 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[SpamBot2000]

Pedrak wrote...

People want a Mass Effect 4 which allows to import all choices, and where all choices have a big impact, no matter how vastly different the outcome is supposed to be, if everybody died, became half-synthetic, or whatever.

They want their Shepard to be around. And their Love Interest. And their buddy Garrus. Oh, and why not the Warden too?

And in ME4 Keyser Soze should be caught. And Mufasa and Bambi's mom should be alive too and roam around Tuchanka. And every question left unanswered in LOST should be explained by a friendly AI in the Citadel. And on the Normandy you should be able to have exclusive access to the third season of Game of Thrones.

And the game should be shipped with a Ferrari. Driven by Maria Sharapova. In a French maid outfit.

Another thorough thrashing of the common straw man, I see. No points awarded.

[Christianswe]

Make mass effect 4 a sequel. In My opinion, it would be pointless to make ME4 a prequel. The series doesn't have to end after ME3. Sure the reaper threat is gone, But that doesn't mean that all the races of the ME universe are going to hold hands and sing cumbaya forever, and no problem ever arises again.... And the reapers don't make Mass Effect, Mass Effect. It's the rich worlds, the races and the cultures. The dialog choices, the great story.

And since Shepard won't be in ME 4, it will probaly have a somewhat new focus. It doesn't have to be reapers, all the odds and Doom and gloom. That worked in Shepard's story, ME, ME 2 and ME 3. But just because the trilogy ends the way it does, doesn't mean there can't be new stories after those events. I would be great to be able to see the legacy, the inplact on the galaxy, after Shepard's choices. Even if ME 4 takes place 100 years after ME3. You could have references of previous events and the characters. Hell maybe Liara makes a cameo, since the Asari reach 1000. And she tells the new group about the battlefield, Shepard and the rebuilding after the reaper war.

And also, the galaxy is a Big place, many of the mass relays may be unexplored, many new planets.
Im no writer, but my point is that they could make new stories after ME3, a new situation, and it would feel good. And not like a stretch. The past of mass effect is so well documented, in the games logbook, novels and books. It feels like you know what you need to know about the history of the ME universe. I think people want to know what happens next in the timeline.
Trough different eyes. Prequels are alomst never good, and it wouldn't feel the same.
But i guess well see. But i strongly hope That mass effect 4 is a sequel.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Them retconning ME3's ending is only a good thing really. Many players wouldn't mind assuming it never happened... let it stay the story of a crazy old man.

The future can be that simply, Shepard saved the galaxy... and now any affect that he had on the galaxy has worn off. Let him be a faint memory.

[nos_astra]

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...
Genuine curiosity: What makes you think this would be a good idea? Do you even value the fact that player choice is a huge part of why this series is so (mostly) amazing?

You mean the player choice that ended up having little to no impact and sizzled out in an ABC choice that you are told will somehow turn out well despite the grimdark implications of BOOM there go the mass relays.

Player choice was promised. Player choice is not what we got. What we got was conventional, largely inconsistent storytelling, retcons over retcons and lots of simple shooter action.

So yes, fast forward a few thousand years (just to make sure Liara is as dead as the rest of the crew) and then reboot. Ignore the original trilogy, hire new writers, plan, don't promise innovation when your primary concern is to maximize the minimum.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[xtorma]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Them retconning ME3's ending is only a good thing really. Many players wouldn't mind assuming it never happened... let it stay the story of a crazy old man.

The future can be that simply, Shepard saved the galaxy... and now any affect that he had on the galaxy has worn off. Let him be a faint memory.

The forums will still be full of people complaining no matter what they do.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I have the solution.... I have the lone winner of Powerball when it reaches $800 million next year. I buy Bioware from EA. The opening for ME4 is a 15 minute cutscene -- save your savegames (we're only taking your Shepard's appearance.)

* It begins with the Refusal Speech.
* The (Quarians+Geth) modified the Geth disruptor weapon so that it affects reapers (from dead reaper on Rannoch).
* They open up on the reapers. The rest of the sword fleet annihilates the reapers.
* Shepard gets picked up by the Normandy.
* The war lasts 10 years.
* The reapers are defeated, the relays are intact.
* Urdnot Grunt leads the Krogan - this solves the Wrex/Wreav
* Garrus is vice-Primarch
* Tali is still one of the Admirals and not a crew member.
* A Geth Prime is leading the Geth who are moving to a world of their own in the Traverse.
* Liara will remain a crew member
* Traynor will remain a crew member
* James moves with the VS.
* The VS will move on to their own ship
* Joker will move on with the VS
* EDI will remain
* Everyone else will be new.
* Patrick Weekes promoted to lead writer.
* Captain Shepard is 43 and can still kick ass.

The forums will be full of people complaining about this.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:34 .

[Jadebaby]

That's why we need a win refuse ending.

Nevertheless, with ME4 most likely being a next gen game, who knows what the possibilities are.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

xtorma wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Them retconning ME3's ending is only a good thing really. Many players wouldn't mind assuming it never happened... let it stay the story of a crazy old man.

The future can be that simply, Shepard saved the galaxy... and now any affect that he had on the galaxy has worn off. Let him be a faint memory.

The forums will still be full of people complaining no matter what they do.

And while that may be true, there's still no excuse for turning in unpolished/inconsistent narrative work for a game on that kind of budget and with that kind of talent.

People complained about ME2, but it was still a well-received game.

[xsamplexample]

why did this thread go dead? I want to see a prequel. Metacon war with the protheans, leading into the reaper war. How they developed the crucible and its functions could be fleshed out more.

[cerberus1701]

It's not that big a deal.

* According to BW Destroy is the most favored ending, so if you must canonize one, it's that.

* Parallel universe it.

* You can take a Deist view of Control.

* Or set the whole thing a couple hundred years out and keep the past history dialogue vague. Easily done to say that it'd take 200 years for the Galaxy to fully rebuild and get back to basically what it was before.

It's easy.

I have no interest in a prequel and I imagine that's a plurality view, at least.

[cerberus1701]

xsamplexample wrote...

why did this thread go dead? I want to see a prequel. Metacon war with the protheans, leading into the reaper war. How they developed the crucible and its functions could be fleshed out more.

Oh, hell no.