What do any of you "non-promoters" think of people who do promote?
#101
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:31
I think I never read a post on BSN concerning these type of things were no one carried the whole team all the time all night in spite of all high rankers, low rankers, mid rankers and non rankers coming and going.
"I AM ON BSN, THEREFORE I CARRY EVERY PUG I PLAY IN."
This forum went from bad to worse in like 3 days.
#102
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:32
The amount of time spent to get that banner is... a lot. It's a lot of time to get lots of credits to spend on recruit packs if you don't have a maxxed out manifest. I don't think many people will go that route... so.... would you rather play a lot of games with low level characters and struggle, or have fun?DJ Airsurfer wrote...
N7 Mastery, justt sayin'.
#103
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:34
this.GallowsPole wrote...
Personally I think both sides of the arguments are moronic over a meaningless number. Although I do have to say, the people who do not promote are usually the ones that complain first and the loudest.
#104
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:41
#105
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:41
Here are my reasons:
1. If you promote all the time and show up with a low level character on high difficulties you won't be able to benefit the team as much as if you were a level 20 character
2. People who promote all the time might not get to play with players on higher difficulties which means they will not get enough money to buy packs and thus they try to save their equipment as much as they can. This would not be beneficial for the team
3. Constantly promoting means that you probably switch between your classes a lot and never play them much when they are fully leveled up. This would suggest that such a player would never be very good at the game since they don't put the time into developing their skills with a certain character that is fully leveled up. They can still be good players but it is unlikely that they will be "elite", and yes, I have played with a lot of players that are in the top regarding NT-rank on Xbox and most of them are "decent" with a few that are actually "good".
You always become good at what you do on a regular basis, so if you constantly mix your characters up by choosing different classes and promoting them as soon as they reach level 20 you will probably never become really good with any of the classes that you are playing.
This is just my opinion however.
#106
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:42
Personally I just prefer to have all my characters at max level and ready to go.
#107
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:45
Personally, I only promote to respec but even then, that hasn't happened very often. I like my characters at 20 and ready to play like the poster before me said.
#108
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:45
#109
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:49
I hope you are not referring to me as I made no such claim. Not always top score but 1st or second most times even with friends. I have recently finished fourth trying out the new volus level 1 in silver and claymore with great players. I couldn't recall the last time that's happened before that.Leland Gaunt wrote...
Aaan here we go again.
I think I never read a post on BSN concerning these type of things were no one carried the whole team all the time all night in spite of all high rankers, low rankers, mid rankers and non rankers coming and going.
"I AM ON BSN, THEREFORE I CARRY EVERY PUG I PLAY IN."
This forum went from bad to worse in like 3 days.
I don't care if someone topped the board if they hoard consumables and relied on others to bail them out (revive or rocket to save them or team) they wouldn't have topped by being down for the rounds. We all get the same credits so everyone should bear some cost not just one or two players. There are selfish players all through the ranks of n7. Score is irrelevant as I will carry someone that tries and uses their consumables to help through a few matches. When I was a lowbie I used my rockets because my guns did not help me score as much and it helped the team and made scores closer. No one ever kicked me even if I was last place.
#110
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:49
#111
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:51
#112
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:53
#113
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:54
I don't care.
[quote]GallowsPole wrote...
Personally I think both sides of the arguments are moronic over a meaningless number. Although I do have to say, the people who do not promote are usually the ones that complain first and the loudest.[/quote]
Do you promote?
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If you search the forums you will find a crapton of threads with people complaining of being kicked because their n7 was low (the reason being 2 out of 3 times poor loadout when asked what they had) meanwhile the people that promote almost never complained when idiots kicked them bcause their n7 was high or they wanted to play gold with a level 5 character.
Is a fact that 9 out 10 whine threads in the forums were made by people with low n7 and the other 10% was whining about whining
Promoting is fun, level 20 toons are for platinum and nothing else, if you need a level 20 character to play gold- that is just sad.
#114
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:55
Frankly, I used to promote regularly some time ago, finally dropped it when I noticed I just couldn't stomach the idea of having to level my characters back from level 1 and rename/redesign each and every one anymore, the entire thing had just lost its novelty and had become a chore rather than something fun...
Now that characters are no longer scrubbed completely on promote and that some time has passed I may pick it up again... Maybe... Or I'll keep doing it just during the weekly challenges challenges that require it... Don't know really...
#115
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:56
#116
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Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 04:58
Guest_Aotearas_*
iOnlySignIn wrote...
Of the people I know, promoters either:
(1) Enjoy leveling up their characters on Silver
^ I'm the exact opposite, I think leveling up or playing Silver is boring and pointless
(2) Like the extra challenge of playing a <10 level character on Gold
^ I don't need this. I play Gold with no equipment and clear PUGs in under 30 minutes. If I want more challenge than that I play Plat with level II equipments.
Loading a low level character with level III/IV equipments on Gold is exactly the same as playing a high level character on Gold. You just waste more of your credits.
What about people like me that like the extra challenge of playing a <10 level character on Gold ... without using equipment (save for gear naturally)?
Personally, I can't say it's exactly just for the challenge, mostly those times are just fits of me going for sh*ts and giggles, possibly doing those runs on more or less deliberatly gimped builds. Hell, in the early times when people even on PC were kicking low levels (not N7, character level) from Gold more or less indiscriminately I had used unspecced level 20 characters for those fits.
And on the bright side, other people's mostly favourable opinions on a high N7 rating mostly let me get away with it scot free. And after I played a game with them, people usually had little reason to want oust me from their group either (two guys even once tried to kick me from the lobby (me being host btw, such insolence, you have a problem, YOU get out of another one's lobby FFS) because even as a low level character I was too good for their taste for some reason). So a high N7 rating IS somewhat a facilitator for me when I was in that mood.
And now, to actually provide my opinion for the (still dead horse beating stupididly redundant) topic:
N7 means exactly one thing and one thing alone: how many times someone has promoted.
Similarily, the Challenge Point score means sameway little, it's just an indicator to how much of a grinder someone is.
There is nothing else solid in those numbers. Trying to deduce player skill from indicators that plainly do NOT indicate skill is vain at best and outright stupid at worst. And trying to argue for or against individual preferences is even worse than simply stupid, it's otherwordly levels of arrogant ... as if someone's personal opinion were any more valid than another one's. Just to give everyone an idea of exactly how much stupid and arrogant that is: that is the same basic reasoning that has started wars throughout our history and that is a solid, cold fact!
To conclude:
N7 means whatever it means to you and means nothing for others, period.
#117
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:01
#118
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:02
I am good with all sets not just one. if people want to roick tech or biotic I can change at will. Someone that always used soldier classes are not as versatile and indeed less skilled at the game even if they are primo with just the destroyer.dumdum2 wrote...
To be honest all I can think is that they are not going to be that much of an asset to the team, even if they currently have a level 20 character for Gold or Platinum.
Here are my reasons:
1. If you promote all the time and show up with a low level character on high difficulties you won't be able to benefit the team as much as if you were a level 20 character
2. People who promote all the time might not get to play with players on higher difficulties which means they will not get enough money to buy packs and thus they try to save their equipment as much as they can. This would not be beneficial for the team
3. Constantly promoting means that you probably switch between your classes a lot and never play them much when they are fully leveled up. This would suggest that such a player would never be very good at the game since they don't put the time into developing their skills with a certain character that is fully leveled up. They can still be good players but it is unlikely that they will be "elite", and yes, I have played with a lot of players that are in the top regarding NT-rank on Xbox and most of them are "decent" with a few that are actually "good".
You always become good at what you do on a regular basis, so if you constantly mix your characters up by choosing different classes and promoting them as soon as they reach level 20 you will probably never become really good with any of the classes that you are playing.
This is just my opinion however.
This game is really simple you have three power trees and spam powers from them. Grenade spam is the easy I win button. A low level can max grenades and top the board. with QMI level 8 (only need level 4 TC and arc) I can top gold easily especially with bad players. Some builds require 12 levels to be good on gold, but that is the baseline over that and yes you can do better but skill, loadout, and gear overweighs the benefit. I have outscored people being dropped into gold pugs with a level 1 (wasn't searching for it)and no gear for the rounds I was in (The best guns ie X and arguable best in class really reall really help everyone despite what "elites" try to write here).
#119
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:02
Most promoters don't promote constantly, but I'm mainly curious about that bit. Are you implying that players who choose to play a variety of characters as opposed to just one or three are bad players? Also, aren't you a promoter? N7 over 2k generally implies it, neh?dumdum2 wrote...
3. Constantly promoting means that you probably switch between your classes a lot and never play them much when they are fully leveled up. This would suggest that such a player would never be very good at the game since they don't put the time into developing their skills with a certain character that is fully leveled up. They can still be good players but it is unlikely that they will be "elite", and yes, I have played with a lot of players that are in the top regarding NT-rank on Xbox and most of them are "decent" with a few that are actually "good".
#120
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:02
Adepts, Engineers, and Vanguards haven't been promoted in several months.
#121
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:04
Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
Aaaaaand another dead horse being beaten. Someone should call PETA.
10/10 would bang
#122
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:06
It's just a difference in preference, though. Some do it for the N7 ranking, which in my view is still completely pointless. Some do it because they enjoy levelling their characters again, which I have no issue with. I personally hate doing that and much prefer to keep them all at 20 whenever possible, and use a Reset Card if I need to make a change.
I only promote nowadays if a weekend challenge asks for it, or if I have multiple characters in the same class that I want to respec.
#123
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:08
Tecco wrote...
Retarded, it pointless. It shows only you are stupid enough to care about a number that only shows how stupid you are.
A milder degree of this.
#124
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:11
Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.Chaoswind wrote...
If you search the forums you will find a crapton of threads with people complaining of being kicked because their n7 was low (the reason being 2 out of 3 times poor loadout when asked what they had) meanwhile the people that promote almost never complained when idiots kicked them bcause their n7 was high or they wanted to play gold with a level 5 character.
Is a fact that 9 out 10 whine threads in the forums were made by people with low n7 and the other 10% was whining about whining
Promoting is fun, level 20 toons are for platinum and nothing else, if you need a level 20 character to play gold- that is just sad.
Modifié par InvincibleHero, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:13 .
#125
Posté 21 novembre 2012 - 05:14
hmmmThe Mysterious Stranger wrote...
Tecco wrote...
Retarded, it pointless. It shows only you are stupid enough to care about a number that only shows how stupid you are.
A milder degree of this.I've meat many people with +3000 plus and some with +5000 that are worse player then me, they aren't really bad, but I'm better.
>n7 means nothing
>I'm so happy Im better than a high n7
Also, "meat"?





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