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[TheThirdSpectre]

I don't promote my characters often, but I do sometimes. I write down my builds so I don't forget them.

Personally? I respect everyone in the community who doesn't missile glitch. Period.

[dumdum2]

Zero132132 wrote...
Most promoters don't promote constantly, but I'm mainly curious about that bit. Are you implying that players who choose to play a variety of characters as opposed to just one or three are bad players? Also, aren't you a promoter? N7 over 2k generally implies it, neh?

No, I never said anything about them being bad. I said that they would mostly be decent and that they can still be good players, but it is unlikely that they will ever be elite players.

I promoted a lot during the weekend challenges in the past to help out the community with victory packs, and I promoted when I first started playing MP just because I never had reset power cards back then. Now I only promote when I want to reset my powers and don't have a reset powers card. If they would add a pack that only contained reset powers cards I would probably never promote again (unless there was a weekend challenge).

And no, I wasn't talking about people who promote every now and then, I was talking about people who constantly promote. If they have less than 5000 in N7-rank and if they have played the game since it was released means that they are not among those players that I am talking about.

[HolyAvenger]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

If you search the forums you will find a crapton of threads with people complaining of being kicked because their n7 was low (the reason being 2 out of 3 times poor loadout when asked what they had) meanwhile the people that promote almost never complained when idiots kicked them bcause their n7 was high or they wanted to play gold with a level 5 character.

Is a fact that 9 out 10 whine threads in the forums were made by people with low n7 and the other 10% was whining about whining

Promoting is fun, level 20 toons are for platinum and nothing else, if you need a level 20 character to play gold- that is just sad.

Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.

Best player I played with top scored in a plat game with level 8 geth soldier. It was amazing

[OldeGrim]

I will only promote to respec if I don't have respec cards.

I don't think badly about people who promote though. Just seems to be a waste of time in my personal opinion.

I dislike the people who promote and then believe that that means they are better players than others simply because of the higher N7.

My N7 rating is 180 and I am often completely shocked at how terribly some people with 5000+ N7 play the game.

[Stardusk]

Franchement, je m'en fous.

[DullahansXMark]

As a promoter, I just do it when I feel like it.

[InvincibleHero]

@ dum dum

You don't need crutch level 20 charcters to be elite. In fact, it takes less skill to use a level 20 in a game and that's fact. Doing more with less ie level means that person has skill to make up for that loadouts being equal.

Exactly what do you consider elite because pardon me I think you have it backwards.

If two players have the same match experience one being a low n7 and the other say 8000 it says nothing of their skill. However, if that low n7 loses to a lower level he got plain beat yet how much if say 12th level and got outscored by 10K in gold was because of that being a lower level character. Might be low n7 had less skill which you'd call elite yet the slim margin can easily be explained by more powerful build.

[dumdum2]

InvincibleHero wrote...
I am good with all sets not just one. if people want to roick tech or biotic I can change at will.

Good is not the same as elite.

InvincibleHero wrote...

Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.

And? Do a Platinum solo with your level 13 Phoenix Adept and then we can talk.

It is quite easy to solo gold even with level 1 characters and doing platinum with a team of level 1 characters is not hard at all if you have decent players in the team. But take following scenario as an example:

1. You have a guy that never promotes and always plays the Geth Infiltrator and uses the Harrier

2. You have a guy that always promote and switch between classes and weapons basically every match and never plays with level 20 characters (cause he promotes them when they get to level 20)

3. Now put those two guys together in the same match with the same character and weapon. In this case they would both be using the Geth Infiltrator with the Harrier

Which one of those players do you think will benefit the team most and which one do you think will outscore the other one? Which player do you think will die a lot and which player do you think will go all 11 waves without dying once? There are exceptions to every case, but now we are talking in general.

Modifié par dumdum2, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[InvincibleHero]

HolyAvenger wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.

Best player I played with top scored in a plat game with level 8 geth soldier. It was amazing

Yeah geth soldier is a good one still very impressive.  I wonder what his spec was max flamer. I wouldn't go less than 12 even if I could out of respect for my partners unless they said go ahead and were in my fl. That hasn't happened yet.  I wouldn't expect to top with great players though unless it was QMI and arc grenade spam which says nothing of my skill per se.

[Wookie_Smuggler]

I think of them how I think of people who prestige on CoD. It's dumb

[mpompeo27]

You can promote if you want to
You can leave those PUGs behind
Cause those PUGs don't promote, and if they don't promote
Then they ain't no friends of mine

[dumdum2]

InvincibleHero wrote...
@ dum dum 

You don't need crutch level 20 charcters to be elite. In fact, it takes less skill to use a level 20 in a game and that's fact. Doing more with less ie level means that person has skill to make up for that loadouts being equal.

Exactly what do you consider elite because pardon me I think you have it backwards.

Ok, so you want to be an elite level 1 player? Then that is fully possible, but and elite level 1 player will still not benefit the team as much as an elite level 20 player because of damage output, survivability etc.

I was talking about players benifiting the team as much as possible on gold and platinum.

[bogsters23]

i got n7 360 maxed manifest. i think those who promote wants to get higher on the leader board.
i only promoted for challenges and did not find it enjoyable. i already know the builds i like and i'm just lazy to setup characters over and over again.

i'm still contemplating about n7 mastery if it's worth it to grind or use credits but i do not like the weapon challenges either.

[Beerfish]

mpompeo27 wrote...

You can promote if you want to
You can leave those PUGs behind
Cause those PUGs don't promote, and if they don't promote
Then they ain't no friends of mine

As long as you don't do this with 'Pop goes the world.' I'll be able top handle it.  btw, excellent gamer name.

Modifié par Beerfish, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[HolyAvenger]

InvincibleHero wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.

Best player I played with top scored in a plat game with level 8 geth soldier. It was amazing

Yeah geth soldier is a good one still very impressive.  I wonder what his spec was max flamer. I wouldn't go less than 12 even if I could out of respect for my partners unless they said go ahead and were in my fl. That hasn't happened yet.  I wouldn't expect to top with great players though unless it was QMI and arc grenade spam which says nothing of my skill per se.

He was using a Reegar/Flamer combo. He was level 8 at the end of the match.

I've never had a Plat PUG go as smoothly.

[XTR3M3]

I don't really care if people promote or not. I haven't since the one weekend challenge happened a while back about promoting and they removed the character cards from the upper end packs. I look at their equipment and whether or not they are being stingy with consumables....stingy about consumables probably means stingy with gel and rockets in game.

[K_O_513]

I think that they care more about the N7 banner than I do, or don't want to use respec cards.

[FellowMusicFan]

I just want SOMETHING for promoting characters that doesn't pertain to single player. A free Jumbo Equipment pack would be the perfect thing to me honestly. Simple, yet almost worth it.

[The Mysterious Stranger]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

The Mysterious Stranger wrote...

Tecco wrote...

Retarded, it pointless. It shows only you are stupid enough to care about a number that only shows how stupid you are.

A milder degree of this. I've meat many people with +3000 plus and some with +5000 that are worse player then me, they aren't really bad, but I'm better. 

Just because someone promotes a lot doesn't mean he thinks the numbers means anything. I have promoted quite some classes and have an N7 of 3000+ myself. Still the N7 means nothing, just that I promoted my characters the respective amount of times.

Plus, N7 has nothing to do with player skill. As for you Stranger, there will always be some people with less N7 that might be better than you same as some people will be better than you that have a higher N7. If you really measure up player performance with their N7 ratings compared to yours then my dear, YOU are doing the same mistake some people call others out for, meaning connecting N7 with a mening that isn't present. Talk about irony.


As for you Tecco:
If your opinion of people that do things differently than you compels you to insult them as retards, chances are very, very high you're no better.

You must have got me wrong, I don't care for N7 rating, im around 500 and thats because I didn't have a respec cards every time I wanted to change play style. And of corse there are people with a high N7 rating that are good and people with with low that are good too, take me as exampel. And yes some people find it funny to rase you level over and over again, and I could understand that too, but I do not find that funny. And yes I noticed now that I didn't even wrote I'm a low N7 in my first post-_-

[Ferus37]

dumdum2 wrote...

But take following scenario as an example:

1. You have a guy that never promotes and always plays the Geth Infiltrator and uses the Harrier

2. You have a guy that always promote and switch between classes and weapons basically every match and never plays with level 20 characters (cause he promotes them when they get to level 20)

3. Now put those two guys together in the same match with the same character and weapon. In this case they would both be using the Geth Infiltrator with the Harrier

Which one of those players do you think will benefit the team most and which one do you think will outscore the other one? Which player do you think will die a lot and which player do you think will go all 11 waves without dying once? There are exceptions to every case, but now we are talking in general.

I'm not going to get into which of people who constantly promote and people who never promote are better players, (I honestly wouldn't know) but your example seems a bit lopsided. It's a bit like saying "let's take someone who's good at chess, then someone who's good at checkers, bridge, and Chinese checkers, then they play chess. Who do you think will win?" 

If you take the non-promoter and the promoter and have them play as a lv10 "anything except GI with Harrier" is it still as black and white who will be better?

[InvincibleHero]

dumdum2 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
I am good with all sets not just one. if people want to roick tech or biotic I can change at will.

Good is not the same as elite.

InvincibleHero wrote...

Made it through plat to extraction with a level 13 phoenix adept. Make of that what you will. I did not score last and we did 2 more after also successful.

And? Do a Platinum solo with your level 13 Phoenix Adept and then we can talk.

It is quite easy to solo gold even with level 1 characters and doing platinum with a team of level 1 characters is not hard at all if you have decent players in the team. But take following scenario as an example:

1. You have a guy that never promotes and always plays the Geth Infiltrator and uses the Harrier

2. You have a guy that always promote and switch between classes and weapons basically every match and never plays with level 20 characters (cause he promotes them when they get to level 20)

3. Now put those two guys together in the same match with the same character and weapon. In this case they would both be using the Geth Infiltrator with the Harrier

Which one of those players do you think will benefit the team most and which one do you think will outscore the other one? Which player do you think will die a lot and which player do you think will go all 11 waves without dying once? There are exceptions to every case, but now we are talking in general.

I am not egoistic to call myself an elite even if it might fit.

I await your video upload of a level 1 gold solo with batarian sentinel on hydra geth please and do be honest how many failures you had to get the one good run. I bet every AI exploit is used and is that skill?

1. How do you know he isn't playing it for the first time?

2. I used a 20 once or twice yet you would consider me unskilled LOL. Using maxed characters means a person using a lower will be even more effective using a 20. It takes no skill to mash 1, 2, or 3 at right time whether there is one rank in the power or 6. It just means the higher level character CAN do more damage against a poorly specced lower leveled one. It might mean an extra 300 shields which is meaningless on plat.

3. Don't know depends who had the most skill and luck. Sometimes enemies make me public enemy 1 and I go down more than other times having clean matches with no downs and using no consumables on gold or silver. Very few go 11 waves without being downed at all. A person can hide and do little and do that.

[dumdum2]

Ferus37 wrote...

I'm not going to get into which of people who constantly promote and people who never promote are better players, (I honestly wouldn't know) but your example seems a bit lopsided. It's a bit like saying "let's take someone who's good at chess, then someone who's good at checkers, bridge, and Chinese checkers, then they play chess. Who do you think will win?" 

But that is the whole point. Same goes with life, if you want to become a top class player in American Football then you usually have to go all in on that one, if you start mixing soccer, football and baseball together then you might still be good at all of them but not top class at any of them. And as I said before, we always have exceptions to each rule, like Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzales in NFL who used to be great basketball players.

It is the same principle at work, if you want to become a very good salesman then you should not split your working hours between sales and logistics for example, because that would make you become decent or good at both of them but not exceptional at either of them.

[bogsters23]

Ferus37 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

But take following scenario as an example:

1. You have a guy that never promotes and always plays the Geth Infiltrator and uses the Harrier

2. You have a guy that always promote and switch between classes and weapons basically every match and never plays with level 20 characters (cause he promotes them when they get to level 20)

3. Now put those two guys together in the same match with the same character and weapon. In this case they would both be using the Geth Infiltrator with the Harrier

Which one of those players do you think will benefit the team most and which one do you think will outscore the other one? Which player do you think will die a lot and which player do you think will go all 11 waves without dying once? There are exceptions to every case, but now we are talking in general.

I'm not going to get into which of people who constantly promote and people who never promote are better players, (I honestly wouldn't know) but your example seems a bit lopsided. It's a bit like saying "let's take someone who's good at chess, then someone who's good at checkers, bridge, and Chinese checkers, then they play chess. Who do you think will win?" 

If you take the non-promoter and the promoter and have them play as a lv10 "anything except GI with Harrier" is it still as black and white who will be better?

i thought we established that promoting does not indicate skill.  there are good players who do not promote and they're also good players that promote.  but a high n7 number does not mean he's really really good he just promotes a lot.  he can be as good as someone who does not promote.   only way to find out is to play with the player.  tbh n7 does not mean anything to me it's how you play the game, your builds, weapon proficiency etc.

Modifié par bogsters23, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Ferus37]

bogsters23 wrote...

Ferus37 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

But take following scenario as an example:

1. You have a guy that never promotes and always plays the Geth Infiltrator and uses the Harrier

2. You have a guy that always promote and switch between classes and weapons basically every match and never plays with level 20 characters (cause he promotes them when they get to level 20)

3. Now put those two guys together in the same match with the same character and weapon. In this case they would both be using the Geth Infiltrator with the Harrier

Which one of those players do you think will benefit the team most and which one do you think will outscore the other one? Which player do you think will die a lot and which player do you think will go all 11 waves without dying once? There are exceptions to every case, but now we are talking in general.

I'm not going to get into which of people who constantly promote and people who never promote are better players, (I honestly wouldn't know) but your example seems a bit lopsided. It's a bit like saying "let's take someone who's good at chess, then someone who's good at checkers, bridge, and Chinese checkers, then they play chess. Who do you think will win?" 

If you take the non-promoter and the promoter and have them play as a lv10 "anything except GI with Harrier" is it still as black and white who will be better?

i thought we established that promoting does not indicate skill.  there are good players who do not promote and they're also good players that promote.  but a high n7 number does not mean he's really really good he just promotes a lot.  he can be as good as someone who does not promote.   only way to find out is to play with the player.  tbh n7 does not mean anything to me it's how you play the game, your builds, weapon proficiency etc.

I agree completely, as my first post in this thread indicates. ^^
This time I was simply curious about the example posted.