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[Chaoswind]

@ dum dum

You are almost talking in absolutes.

If we are talking about skills a GI with a harrier X is just a much better loadout, that doesn't mean they are more skilled than the guy that goes with a level 12 QME with a hurricane 6 and outscores the GI.

To me playing with level 20 characters is a crutch, a crutch that I only remember using once in my first platinum game, I have yet to play platinum post retaliation, but is mosly running away of super bad lag, as soon as I get on a gold group with a great host, I'll ask to make the jump myself.

[Ferus37]

dumdum2 wrote...

Ferus37 wrote...

I'm not going to get into which of people who constantly promote and people who never promote are better players, (I honestly wouldn't know) but your example seems a bit lopsided. It's a bit like saying "let's take someone who's good at chess, then someone who's good at checkers, bridge, and Chinese checkers, then they play chess. Who do you think will win?" 

But that is the whole point. Same goes with life, if you want to become a top class player in American Football then you usually have to go all in on that one, if you start mixing soccer, football and baseball together then you might still be good at all of them but not top class at any of them. And as I said before, we always have exceptions to each rule, like Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzales in NFL who used to be great basketball players.

It is the same principle at work, if you want to become a very good salesman then you should not split your working hours between sales and logistics for example, because that would make you become decent or good at both of them but not exceptional at either of them.

Fair enough. If you want to say that a person who only plays GI with Harrier is most likely better at playing the GI with Harrier than someone who switches it up, it's a good example. 
But does that make him an elite player? Or just someone who's at elite level with a GI with Harrier?

Modifié par Ferus37, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[upinya slayin]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

 Just curious as to what people who don't promote think of people who do. It seems like the popular opinion is people who promote are basement dwellers forever obsessing over their e-peen who never shower and drink their own urine to survive. Or something like that. 

Don't be afraid to be honest. 

I don't se a point in promoting as it gives you no reards before the challenge system. i stayed at 120 until all my rares were maxed (except for promote weekend challenges) and only started promoting to get a use out of the PSPs while chasing my URs. when level 4 ammo came in I stopped promoting again. Now i'm doing it for N7 mastery. 6 a weekk (which is easy even with the limited time i play) will take 10 weeks to finish

[dumdum2]

InvincibleHero wrote...
I await your video upload of a level 1 gold solo with batarian sentinel on hydra geth please and do be honest how many failures you had to get the one good run. I bet every AI exploit is used and is that skill?

That I can do even if I don't feel like doing more level 1 solo runs, I have been doing them basically since the game was released and have nothing to prove to myself anymore with it. But sure, next time my Batarian Sentinel is at level 1 I will gladly do a gold solo against Geth on Hydra just for you my friend 

InvincibleHero wrote...
1. How do you know he isn't playing it for the first time?

It's a scenarioooooooo

InvincibleHero wrote...
2. I used a 20 once or twice yet you would consider me unskilled LOL. Using maxed characters means a person using a lower will be even more effective using a 20. It takes no skill to mash 1, 2, or 3 at right time whether there is one rank in the power or 6. It just means the higher level character CAN do more damage against a poorly specced lower leveled one. It might mean an extra 300 shields which is meaningless on plat.

Yes, a player who usually play with a lower level will be more effective using a level 20, I never said anything about that did I?

InvincibleHero wrote...
Very few go 11 waves without being downed at all. A person can hide and do little and do that.

I do that a lot on Platinum and Gold, and I don't hide and I do a lot for the team. Hell, half of my solo videos I didn't die once on gold and I also have a Platinum solo that I actually recorded where I didn't die once. In a lot of my solo videos I don't even use conumables (no ops packs) and if I were to use ops packs more when playing solo or when playing with a team my percentage of 11 waves surived would increase even more. Wish I could have recorded all of my solo videos since the game came out but I haven't had my recording device for more than a month.

Modifié par dumdum2, 21 novembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[dumdum2]

Chaoswind wrote...
You are almost talking in absolutes.

Yes I am 

Chaoswind wrote...
If we are talking about skills a GI with a harrier X is just a much better loadout, that doesn't mean they are more skilled than the guy that goes with a level 12 QME with a hurricane 6 and outscores the GI.

Again, did I say otherwise?

[Grub Killer8016]

I personally don't care about those who promote. But I do care about the *ssholes that think your N7 rank is an indicator of skill.

[MVestala]

Since level 20 characters do not have an option to receive additional credits in place of the useless XP, i kind of hate it go to waste, thus i promote from time to time, and other thing is respeccing.

Can't help it, years playing MMO:s you grew accustomed to see the XP bar moving, and when you hit endgame it became hollow because there was nothing to keep eye out anymore 

[dumdum2]

Ferus37 wrote...
Fair enough. If you want to say that a person who only plays GI with Harrier is most likely better at playing the GI with Harrier than someone who switches it up, it's a good example. 

Yes, that is what I am saying. People on this forum need to actually read what is posted and try to understand the meaning of it instead of just jumping to false conclusions and taking things so personal 

Ferus37 wrote...
But does that make him an elite player? Or just someone who's at elite level with a GI with Harrier?

Again, different elite players. You can be a level 1 Asari Vanguard elite player, you can be a level 20 Krogan Sentinel elite player, you can be a level 5 Geth Infiltrator elite player.

If you do a certain thing often enough you can become "elite" at/with it. So my conclusion still holds true, because if we make a new scenario where we have two players using a level 1 Asari Vanguard where one of those players always plays a level 1 Asari Vanguard he/she will be better than the other player who usually play a lot of different classes at different levels. But the point is, will a level 1 elite player benefit the team as much as a level 20 elite player? You see where I am going with this?

Modifié par dumdum2, 21 novembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[mrcanada]

I don't care, but I also think it's useless to keep returning to level 1. Anytime you want to rebuild you are sitting on respec cards anyway. It's ok for newer players planning out what builds suit them, but continually promoting at higher levels is a complete waste of time.............just glad it isn't my time.

[BouncyFrag]

don't care

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I used to not promote unless it was required for a comm pack. Now I'm only promoting for the challenge but one class I'm refusing to promote is my sentinels. That is my 'don't touch that class' class. Vanguards I'll usually promote on the fly now because I can get them back up pretty easily thanks to the kroguard and now the batguard. I realitvely don't care if someone promotes or not. It's their choice. I don't judge.

[Chaoswind]

Fair enough, a player that only plays GI with harrier will be "better "with a GI+harrier than a player that plays all classes and is forced to play with a GI+harrier.

But versatility is better to me.

If I land in a good lobby, I can change to any class besides adept and I will be good, with means I can change to the wimps of the team and never under perform.

Host: Hey let's do a full asari team for fun!!!
Me: Ok (changes)
GI guy: nah

Host: Let's do a ful turian team.
Me: no problem (changes).
GI guy: only if I can be the ghost

Host: Let's do a full krogan match
GI guy: just start the match already I won't change (because I suck with anything else other than GI).
ME: chill dude.

[VGFM]

I don't have a problem with them as long as they don't bring their under-leveled characters into high-difficulty lobbies.

[Grub Killer8016]

VGFM wrote...

I don't have a problem with them as long as they don't bring their under-leveled characters into high-difficulty lobbies.

Winner!

[InvincibleHero]

dumdum2 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
I await your video upload of a level 1 gold solo with batarian sentinel on hydra geth please and do be honest how many failures you had to get the one good run. I bet every AI exploit is used and is that skill?

That I can do even if I don't feel like doing more level 1 solo runs, I have been doing them basically since the game was released and have nothing to prove to myself anymore with it. But sure, next time my Batarian Sentinel is at level 1 I will gladly do a gold solo against Geth on Hydra just for you my friend 

InvincibleHero wrote...
1. How do you know he isn't playing it for the first time?

It's a scenarioooooooo

InvincibleHero wrote...
2. I used a 20 once or twice yet you would consider me unskilled LOL. Using maxed characters means a person using a lower will be even more effective using a 20. It takes no skill to mash 1, 2, or 3 at right time whether there is one rank in the power or 6. It just means the higher level character CAN do more damage against a poorly specced lower leveled one. It might mean an extra 300 shields which is meaningless on plat.

Yes, a player who usually play with a lower level will be more effective using a level 20, I never said anything about that did I?

InvincibleHero wrote...
Very few go 11 waves without being downed at all. A person can hide and do little and do that.

I do that a lot on Platinum and Gold, and I don't hide and I do a lot for the team. Hell, half of my solo videos I didn't die once on gold and I also have a Platinum solo that I actually recorded where I didn't die once. In a lot of my solo videos I don't even use conumables (no ops packs) and if I were to use ops packs more when playing solo or when playing with a team my percentage of 11 waves surived would increase even more. Wish I could have recorded all of my solo videos since the game came out but I haven't had my recording device for more than a month.

Hey if you're that good I can admit you're better than me. If you're on PC ( origin is my username)  I need more plat friends. I play a lot and I am a total team player with a modicum of skill. You can judge me if we play a few rounds. Most of my downs are reviving other players but my friends do the same for me and I even try to revive pugs whenever possible. I use gear and consumables.

You don't have to waste your time with level 1 gold solo, but you exaggerate a bit calling it easy. I doubt even 1% has soloed gold much less with a level 1.

1. That's the point we can't judge without more info. A person of skill can be high or low n7 and vice versa.

2. That is the only gain from level 20 which says nothing about player skill. It is irrelevant. I don't feel the character plays any different at 15+ than 20. Some builds you have one power maxed and you're golden. You just maximize more things. It depends on character and build though. I might add a third at those levels up to 20, but hardly use it anyway like shockwave.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 21 novembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[Robbiesan]

I promote only for challenges, or sometimes to respec. I have no issue with those who promote a bunch, whatever their reasons may be. I have not run into any issues either way.

[Ferus37]

dumdum2 wrote...

Ferus37 wrote...
Fair enough. If you want to say that a person who only plays GI with Harrier is most likely better at playing the GI with Harrier than someone who switches it up, it's a good example. 

Yes, that is what I am saying. People on this forum need to actually read what is posted and try to understand the meaning of it instead of just jumping to false conclusions and taking things so personal 

Ferus37 wrote...
But does that make him an elite player? Or just someone who's at elite level with a GI with Harrier?

Again, different elite players. You can be a level 1 Asari Vanguard elite player, you can be a level 20 Krogan Sentinel elite player, you can be a level 5 Geth Infiltrator elite player.

If you do a certain thing often enough you can become "elite" at/with it. So my conclusion still holds true, because if we make a new scenario where we have two players using a level 1 Asari Vanguard where one of those players always plays a level 1 Asari Vanguard he/she will be better than the other player who usually play a lot of different classes at different levels. But the point is, will a level 1 elite player benefit the team as much as a level 20 elite player? You see where I am going with this?

There are pretty much always ways to misunderstand things, no matter how well you think you've worded it. This is why I asked for clarification. 

I see where you're going with it. 
I'd just like to note that sometimes a team is benefitted by having a player who can easily switch characters to complement the rest of the team. People who switch around a lot can have their uses too. ^^
Elite switcher.  
(That was not meant as a signature of any kind. I'll never be elite at anything, except maybe being lazy and disorganized.)

Modifié par Ferus37, 21 novembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[Drummernate]

Most people view me as "Poo-poo Headed Mr. Meany Pants" when I kick level 12's out of my platinum lobbies.

Funny seing as my N7 isn't all that high anyways... Only mid 2,000s

[Grub Killer8016]

Drummernate wrote...

Most people view me as "Poo-poo Headed Mr. Meany Pants" when I kick level 12's out of my platinum lobbies.

Funny seing as my N7 isn't all that high anyways... Only mid 2,000s

I find that understanable. I personally play ONLY with level 20s on Platinum.

[FlashAK]

I personally see no point in promoting, hence my very low N7 rating. However, I certainly don't look down on or think any differently of people who do. More props to them for having the patience to move down to lower levels to get their character back up (at least for those that do that). I'd rather just play gold/plat with my level 20 characters rather than muck around on silver or gimp my team on gold/plat by trying to level up a character from 1.

Also, when you consider that, at times, respec cards can drop at UR rates, I can understand that some people just want to rebuild some of their characters without having to wait for a card. Every time I get a respec card, I almost always use it instantly to try a different build on one of my characters.

[dumdum2]

InvincibleHero wrote...
Hey if you're that good I can admit you're better than me. If you're on PC ( origin is my username)  I need more plat friends. I play a lot and I am a total team player with a modicum of skill. You can judge me if we play a few rounds. Most of my downs are reviving other players but my friends do the same for me and I even try to revive pugs whenever possible. I use gear and consumables.

You don't have to waste your time with level 1 gold solo, but you exaggerate a bit calling it easy. I doubt even 1% has soloed gold much less with a level 1.

1. That's the point we can't judge without more info. A person of skill can be high or low n7 and vice versa.

2. That is the only gain from level 20 which says nothing about player skill. It is irrelevant. I don't feel the character plays any different at 15+ than 20. Some builds you have one power maxed and you're golden. You just maximize more things. It depends on character and build though. I might add a third at those levels up to 20, but hardly use it anyway like shockwave.

If ever I get this game on PC I will be sure to add you buddy 

I usually don't revive my friends though and they usually don't revive me, because they know that in the rare occassion that I die I will immediately use a medigel and I expect the same from my teammates. If I die I usually did something really stupid or was too careless (usually happens when I am very tired) so it would be bad for the team to come and revive me, because that would let the enemies get closer and my teammates would expose themselves and might get killed.

I still see myself as an average player though, and yes I like to switch classes and weapons a lot but I almost never promote. So no, I am not one of those elite players either but I do benefit the team a lot more when I play a certain level 20 class for an extended period of time as opposed to when I switch them up on a regular basis.

And yes, I have no problem scoring very high with a level 1 character on gold or platinum when playing with a team (If PUG then mostly top score with low levels), but I would be even more beneficial to the team if I had a level 20 character, That's all I'm saying.

[dumdum2]

Ferus37 wrote...

I see where you're going with it. 
I'd just like to note that sometimes a team is benefitted by having a player who can easily switch characters to complement the rest of the team. People who switch around a lot can have their uses too. ^^

I do agree with that, we average players can benefit a team if we know how to play every class well, but we will still not be as good as the elite players at it 

[Grinch57]

Yeah, some promote because a higher N7 means a lot to them. And some refuse to promote, because it is a point of pride to be a good player with a very low N7.  I think those are the extreme ends of the spectrum.  In between, some promote because there are not enough respec cards to modify all your characters after a rebalance changes some of the powers.

Others promote, because they really do play all classes, all characters and constantly try out new builds and new loads, the drop rate is way too low in the RNG to support this, so you must promote to play the game this way. That would be me.  Before, when every character had one point already distributed, I would use a respec card to create a different build, that did not include the default power. Now that points are not distributed by default, (except when you first get a new character), my respec cards mostly sit there.

The challenge system pushed more people to promote, as well as play characters, weapons and perhaps builds that they had mostly not played before. This is what makes the game fun for me. For others, it is taking their favorite characters and weapons and playing gold or platinum. Others farm, because for them, the goal is to complete their manifest. Another group are truly casual players, they may promote, they may not, they probably don't play enough to have a strong manifest, but they can have a lot of fun on Bronze and Silver. That is what is so great about this game, widely divergent styles are all supported and folks can have a lot of fun playing the game in the way that suits them best.

Modifié par Grinch57, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[Chaoswind]

Playing plat with underleveled characters should only be done with people that trust you

[InvincibleHero]

Drummernate wrote...

Most people view me as "Poo-poo Headed Mr. Meany Pants" when I kick level 12's out of my platinum lobbies.

Funny seing as my N7 isn't all that high anyways... Only mid 2,000s

If I know them they can stay, but a random yeah I'd vote kick. If we played gold earlier and he proves to be a good player that equips gear and uses gels and rockets then I'd have no problem with him/her rocking a lower leveled character. A level 12 QMI is almost as effective as a level 20 if built right.