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[MuKen]

cgj wrote...

i love how people talk trash on people not using equipments, telling them they are selfish when they are just as selfish but since they are the majority that s not pointed out, lovely

They use equipment that benefits the whole team including you, how is wanting you to match their contribution selfish?

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[N7 Cmdr. John]

DarthVarner wrote...

ExE_aVErAgE_aZn wrote...

Max out your commons and uncommons first using recruit and vetern packs and you'll have plenty of level 1 and 2 equipment have use. There is no excuse to not use at least lvl 1 equipment, even if it's only soemthing like cryo ammo, adren, stabilization, or even a strength mod. Always put something on.

Some of us have been playing since release, maxed everything but URs before the first DLC, and used all of our lvl 1 / 2 equips as of months ago.  Check my n7hq.  Anything III or higher is Platinum-only.

Gold minus equip/ammo approximates Platinum difficulty in terms of damage required to down a given mob.  I primarily play Platinum, but when I play Gold I play deliberately without equip/ammo - because the handicap keeps you sharp for the higher difficulty.

If you want to progress, correctly, the right way would be to start in Silver w/equips, then work up to Silver without equips, at which point you can probably handle Gold w/equips, then work up to doing Gold without equips, at which point you might not be dead weight on Platinum.  See how that works?  You guys are gimping your progression.

Aside: So you would like to see a strength mod on my Salarian or Geth Infiltrator?  

I'm clearly not missing anything by not playing with you.

Even if you have maxed out your manifest, Veteran Packs do give you Lvl 3 equipment, as well as 4 lvl 2 equipment as well if you've maxed out your supplies. From one successful Gold game, You can purchase 4 vetern packs, leading up to 4 lvl 3 equipment and 16 lvl 2 equipment. All for one gold game. The alternative to that is just buying only 1 spectre pack, which only gives you 1 lvl 4 and 4 lvl 3's, which only if you have max supplies. Also, you can only buy one of those every successful gold game. Which in all, there's not really any excuse not to have low lvl equipment when the Vetern Packs exist.

Also, the fact that you have a strength mod on your Salarian or Geth Inf. doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go out of your way to melee everything to death. Melee isn't necessary a main means of killing anyway. It's meant for last resort stagger and recovery. If there is no other option you have to save your teammate who is down, and the only way you're going to finish the wave is with him, You can light melee the pyro to stagger it long enough to revive him and both of you take off to finish the wave in style, instead of being a lonely soloer in despair. Don't underestimate the light melee, even if you have a claymore or a widow, etc.

[O______O]

ExE_aVErAgE_aZn wrote...
If there is no other option you have to save your teammate who is down, and the only way you're going to finish the wave is with him, You can light melee the pyro to stagger it long enough to revive him 

I love you, oh so very much. So so very much. You don't even understand how much I love you. I can't describe, I cannot convey in mere words how much I love you. 

I never see anybody do this. Not randoms, not my friends, not anybody. I thought I was the only person in all of Mass Effect who understood the usefulness of light melee. There are eight dozen instances where i've watched others or myself die because a teammate didn't just light melee and revive. You've given me hope that people exist who know how to play the game, and for that I thank you. 

[whateverman7]

najzere wrote...

When I start pulling nothing but level IV equipment out of PSPs I'll be using them.

that happens to me now, and my manifest isnt maxed out lol

[cgj]

MuKen wrote...

cgj wrote...

i love how people talk trash on people not using equipments, telling them they are selfish when they are just as selfish but since they are the majority that s not pointed out, lovely

They use equipment that benefits the whole team including you, how is wanting you to match their contribution selfish?

you want them to match your contribution, that right there is selfish, it can be legitimate to some extent but that's still selfish

english is not my 1st language, i'm affraid i won't be able to make my point clear

1st motivation: consumables will boost me
side effect: benefits my team

hey since i benefit the team, others should do the same for me
even though they never asked me to use equipments, just because I do, they should (must actually, otherwise they get the kick)

equipments aren't a requirement, I just want people to use those because I want them to work their hardest for me ( edit: of course you can say you work your hardest and it benefits them, but you work your hardest because you wanted to in the first place)

there is  some legitimacy in you requesting equipment usage from others when you use them yourself, but the ulterior motive is selfish

edit: i'll say it again, i use equipments, i use those for me, not for the team, and i won't kick someone just because he doesn't want to use some

Modifié par cgj, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

PUGs are not team members, my friend list is

the only thing i equip on gold is gear and that's it even without the consumables you can still face-roll gold

[Bolo Xia]

the tone of your post is what changed all replies after that, so when you said something close to i dont care and e'ff the team and everyone, as a result i lost respect for you.

i have done gold with a level 1, but only on a team with friends that wanted a fun challenge and we extracted without a problem at all, but it was slow and definitly not the best way to make credits.

btw you made it sound as if you dont use equipment when you play any game, from what i see now you are saying you dont use equipment with friends only.

basically all im getting out of t his is you want to argue something that you know that is not socially accepted by the majority, basing that off of your poll btw.

true it is only a game, but people play to have fun and from your poll the majority likes faster games and more credits per hour. they/we find that fun, for me its not the credits anymore, i just like to kill thing quickly and the more thing i kill the more fun im having.

that may sound morbid, but most of us wouldnt be playing this game if it was about baking cakes or serving bowls of soup.

also to adress the other people, how is wanting to win and win faster being selfish?
everyone on the team benifits....

i have a maxed manifest so i guess im so very "SELFISH!!" for helping other people get credits faster and having fun playing at the same time.

also i seen someone ask about maxing out equipment at 255 and helping with unlocking UR's.
no it does not work that way you will get over 255 and anything above that will be lost when you leave MP, so basically use it or lose it.

i for one would support putting a cap at 255 so as to get other equipment i use the most, by the time someone could max level 3 and 4 stuff they should have had a maxed manifest a long time ago anyway.

this thread is seeming to have become agruing with a dead horse at this point and now the only counter argument is "i dont care" from those that support no equipment usage.

like i said previously, this thread has at least done one thing... which is it convinced me to kick every single non-equipment user i see.

[N7 Cmdr. John]

O______O wrote...

ExE_aVErAgE_aZn wrote...
If there is no other option you have to save your teammate who is down, and the only way you're going to finish the wave is with him, You can light melee the pyro to stagger it long enough to revive him 

I love you, oh so very much. So so very much. You don't even understand how much I love you. I can't describe, I cannot convey in mere words how much I love you. 

I never see anybody do this. Not randoms, not my friends, not anybody. I thought I was the only person in all of Mass Effect who understood the usefulness of light melee. There are eight dozen instances where i've watched others or myself die because a teammate didn't just light melee and revive. You've given me hope that people exist who know how to play the game, and for that I thank you. 

Why thank you so much, I love you so much too for appreciating it. Everyone forgot about melee concepts after ME3 came. Melee was a CQC bulids best friend back in ME2, but now it's been outshadowed by the fear of Phantoms, Pyros, and Brutes. Too bad I don't play my Drell anymore because I've already finished the challenges with them, I love the Drell. One day I'm going to make an instructional video around Melee'ing, and also the usefulness of the Tech Armor Detonation, but only once I actually get decent recording software for it.

But before I derail this thread, let me get it back on track.

Want lvl 2 and 3 equipment for relatively cheap? Buy Veteran Packs. You gain equipment for Gold and Plat levels, along with the chance to gain Rares if you haven't maxed them out yet. They are also much cheaper then Spectre Packs, able to be bought in packs of 4 every Gold game. 

No excuse not to have decent level equipment, unless you are shortsighted and didn't even try to consider how useful Veterrn Packs are because of the claim that Level 4 equipment is the only ones you should need; and Ultra-rares? Those can wait, if you have at least maxed out uncommons, lvl 6 or higher rares, and at least lvl 1 equipment, you will get the Credits much faster and no look like an inconsiderate teammate to everyone else.

[ill_eyggro]

I think they are overkill, so i keep them for platinum. Now, medigel and missiles are a must if you are at waves 6,8, 9 and 10... don't be a douge

[najzere]

Bolo Xia wrote...
the tone of your post is what changed all replies after that, so when you said something close to i dont care and e'ff the team and everyone, as a result i lost respect for you.

It's not really "eff the team" if I do my part to win the match. I'm not talking about being carried, I'm talking about pulling my weight or more, but not worrying about spending credits on equipment while I still have rares to max.

Bolo Xia wrote...
btw you made it sound as if you dont use equipment when you play any game, from what i see now you are saying you dont use equipment with friends only.

No, I never said that, and in fact I don't have anyone on my friends list, so I don't even play any non-PUG games. The only thing that's changed (due to talking with people in this thread) is now I will put on equipment if I have it. I'm just not going to spend any credits to make sure I always have equipment for Gold matches.

Bolo Xia wrote...
basically all im getting out of t his is you want to argue something that you know that is not socially accepted by the majority, basing that off of your poll btw.

I don't want to argue and haven't argued to try and change anyone's mind about their opinions. I only wanted to see what BSN would say, since to me it looks like no one on PS3 cares since they either don't kick me or don't use equipment themselves.

Bolo Xia wrote...
true it is only a game, but people play to have fun and from your poll the majority likes faster games and more credits per hour. they/we find that fun, for me its not the credits anymore, i just like to kill thing quickly and the more thing i kill the more fun im having.

that may sound morbid, but most of us wouldnt be playing this game if it was about baking cakes or serving bowls of soup.

also to adress the other people, how is wanting to win and win faster being selfish?
everyone on the team benifits....

Trying to play a faster game would make sense if I had the time to play many games in a row, but I normally only have time for one or two games, so shaving off a couple minutes (which I think is optimistic) doesn't help me. I would need to play more games in a row than I have time for to put that saved time to use.

[MuKen]

cgj wrote...
you want them to match your contribution, that right there is selfish, it can be legitimate to some extent but that's still selfish

Selfishness is valuing your interests above others.  Wanting everyone in a team endeavor to put in equal contribution is not selfishness.

And I would want a guy to put on equipment in a team where his three teammates did even if I was not on that team, for the simple principle of fairness.  It has nothing to do with my own gain or selfishness.

I don't want him to put on equipment simply because it helps me.  I want him to do it because that is what is fair, and I don't like seeing situations where someone is taking advantage of his teammates, whether I be one of them or not.

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[UEG Donkey]

You're not bad but you aren't smart, from an economic standpoint if you use consumables you can clear golds in about 20 minutes with full credits without if your still good you'll clear gold but won't get full bonuses a difference of 5K and finish in 30 minutes. Over the course of three hours you'll get nine games in as opposed to six and you'll get the bonus for time etc.

[najzere]

I've never experienced a 20 minute Gold match, equipment or not.

[MuKen]

The only common theme to all the teams you've played on is you. If none of them have ever been able to break 20min, then it's probably that you're not as good as you say you are.

[UEG Donkey]

najzere wrote...

I've never experienced a 20 minute Gold match, equipment or not.

20 minutes is the normwith PUGs, with friends and consumables you can clear in 15 minutes.  So my point is get friends use consumables, by jep when necessary and the result is that you'll max your rares and ur faster

[najzere]

MuKen wrote...
The only common theme to all the teams you've played on is you.  If none of them have ever been able to break 20min, then it's probably that you're not as good as you say you are.

I'm exactly as good as I say am, which is average.

Modifié par najzere, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[UEG Donkey]

Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

[MuKen]

najzere wrote...

MuKen wrote...
The only common theme to all the teams you've played on is you.  If none of them have ever been able to break 20min, then it's probably that you're not as good as you say you are.

I'm exactly as good as I say am, which is average.

If you are average, and the other average players are putting on equipment and you are not, then how are you not a hindrance to the team?

That means if you weren't there, they would on average get another player of equal skill to you, who more likely than not would put on equipment.

The team is doing worse for your presence.  In other words, you have hindered the team.

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[cgj]

MuKen wrote...

cgj wrote...
you want them to match your contribution, that right there is selfish, it can be legitimate to some extent but that's still selfish

Selfishness is valuing your interests above others.  Wanting everyone in a team endeavor to put in equal contribution is not selfishness.

And I would want a guy to put on equipment in a team where his three teammates did even if I was not on that team, for the simple principle of fairness.  It has nothing to do with my own gain or selfishness.

bad expression on my end in my 1st post (should have detailed my idea), i could counter your post, but i won't bother, it feels like this will lead nowhere and that we both will have wasted our time

Modifié par cgj, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[najzere]

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

Modifié par najzere, 22 novembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

just do what you want..if you dont want to put on equipment then dont....if ppl get butt-devastated then they should uninstall and dont retry

[najzere]

MuKen wrote...
If you are average, and the other average players are putting on equipment and you are not, then how are you not a hindrance to the team?

That means if you weren't there, they would on average get another player of equal skill to you, who more likely than not would put on equipment.

The team is doing worse for your presence.  In other words, you have hindered the team.

No, as I said I am pulling my weight or better without consumables, not giving subpar performance (if you consider an average contribution to be par). So without me they'd get someone with consumables who would put in the same contribution. Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I feel like I can contribute a fair amount without consumables now. I'm aware it could be even more, but I don't want to spend any credits outside of a PSP to make sure I can always go above and beyond.

[UEG Donkey]

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

whos fault is that? I play about half my games with pugs and I average 20 minute games in pug games. BSN players will say that they average 20 minute games with pugs. You realize you can top the scoreboard and not be pulling your weight, right?

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 22 novembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[IronRush]

IMO, consumables are required. I don't play pugs if they aren't using it.
Consumable will raise the chance of win. If you are playing gold and plat, you need to have IMO.

[MuKen]

najzere wrote...

average contribution to be par). So without me they'd get someone with consumables who would put in the same contribution. Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I feel like I can contribute a fair amount without consumables now. I'm aware it could be even more, but I don't want to spend any credits outside of a PSP to make sure I can always go above and beyond.

That is at odds with your never having had a 20min match, most players can manage this.

I think you are just considering yourself average based on scoring.  There are lots of in-game habits you can have that improve your personal score but hurt team performance, and I'd imagine you have developed some of these.  If you weren't hindering your teams, at least some of them would manage a good clear time.