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[Bolo Xia]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

just do what you want..if you dont want to put on equipment then dont....if ppl get butt-devastated then they should uninstall and dont retry

or they could just kick the non-equipment user and move on to making credits easier and faster with someone else who will put stuff on, they will have more fun to without the said non-equipment user.

ya 20 to 25 mins is average pug time, at least on PC, 25 to 30+ usually means there is a leecher maybe 2 on the team.
however with a team of people all suited up, even in a pug i have ran sub 16 min gold games and they were alot more fun in my opinion. but usually if i have a team doing this well on gold then most of the time we go to platinum and tear it up there.
which also the main people in my list i play with only play platinum and rightfully so, because when we are on gold it feels like bronze.

anyway sure he can do what he wants... we all can, which means kicking the stingy and soon to be butthurt players out and get someone who actually gives a damn.
why should we unistall again? 

[najzere]

UEG Donkey wrote...

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

whos fault is that? I play about half my games with pugs and I average 20 minute games in pug games. BSN players will say that they average 20 minute games with pugs. You realize you can top the scoreboard and not be pulling your weight, right?

No did not realize you could top the scoreboard and not be pulling your weight. That doesn't sound possible to me.

So I just had one of the smoothest games I've ever had, Gold Reapers on Reactor and the clear time was 26:43. These are with players with much better weapons than I have and much higher N7 and challenge points, so I'd say this was an above average PUG. Maybe you play on PC? I've been playing Gold PUGs since Earth DLC and have never  seen a 20 minute match.

Salarian Infiltrator with Mantis X:
P1 108,496
P2 102,996
P3 92,621
P4 87,686

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Bolo Xia wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

just do what you want..if you dont want to put on equipment then dont....if ppl get butt-devastated then they should uninstall and dont retry

or they could just kick the non-equipment user and move on to making credits easier and faster with someone else who will put stuff on, they will have more fun to without the said non-equipment user.

ya 20 to 25 mins is average pug time, at least on PC, 25 to 30+ usually means there is a leecher maybe 2 on the team.
however with a team of people all suited up, even in a pug i have ran sub 16 min gold games and they were alot more fun in my opinion. but usually if i have a team doing this well on gold then most of the time we go to platinum and tear it up there.
which also the main people in my list i play with only play platinum and rightfully so, because when we are on gold it feels like bronze.

anyway sure he can do what he wants... we all can, which means kicking the stingy and soon to be butthurt players out and get someone who actually gives a damn.
why should we unistall again? 

no one has ever ragemad kicked me because i dont use equipment...better yet as of last month ive been pugging with the ppl i recognize and its been a upward trend that i am starting to see the same ppl over and over again while i am pugging.

but whatever i am thankful that on PC no one talks anyways...

[MuKen]

Let's put this simply. Equipment versus no equipment makes a match go faster and smoother, this is simple fact. Faster matches means more credits per time for everyone on the team. Equipment = credits.

Now say instead of equipment, we had "credit packs" that when equipped make the match reward X credits more for all players.  If the three other players equipped a credit pack and you decided to hoard yours away for whatever reason, that would be a dick move on your part, plain and simple.

Equipment basically IS a credit pack, it's just harder to see because it doesn't say "X credits" on the equipment.  Not using equipment is the same thing.  Faster games IS more credits.  Unless the other players are also going no-equipment, you are leeching off their stuff if you don't.

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 11:29 .

[Bolo Xia]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

najzere wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...
Average is 20 minutes, that's the consensus of BSN, disagreement is dilution on your part

Dilution? Maybe you meant some other word? I believe BSN says their average Gold PUGs are 20 minutes, they say a lot of things. However, I play with the other 99.99% of the playerbase that doesn't post here.

just do what you want..if you dont want to put on equipment then dont....if ppl get butt-devastated then they should uninstall and dont retry

or they could just kick the non-equipment user and move on to making credits easier and faster with someone else who will put stuff on, they will have more fun to without the said non-equipment user.

ya 20 to 25 mins is average pug time, at least on PC, 25 to 30+ usually means there is a leecher maybe 2 on the team.
however with a team of people all suited up, even in a pug i have ran sub 16 min gold games and they were alot more fun in my opinion. but usually if i have a team doing this well on gold then most of the time we go to platinum and tear it up there.
which also the main people in my list i play with only play platinum and rightfully so, because when we are on gold it feels like bronze.

anyway sure he can do what he wants... we all can, which means kicking the stingy and soon to be butthurt players out and get someone who actually gives a damn.
why should we unistall again? 

no one has ever ragemad kicked me because i dont use equipment...better yet as of last month ive been pugging with the ppl i recognize and its been a upward trend that i am starting to see the same ppl over and over again while i am pugging.

but whatever i am thankful that on PC no one talks anyways...

not sure where the "ragemad" that you are talking about is coming from, people dont have to get all raged out to kick someone.

like i said previously this thread has convinced me i should start kicking non-equipment users, as i use to just go on ahead and start the game anyway.
i can still win with worthless non-equipment user on the team, i just find it annoying that i usually have to pull their weight.

not sure how people talking on the mic really makes a difference on this topic, so whatever.... 

btw your sig clicky for HQ doesnt work... tried to look just wondering what sort of badass i was talking to is all 

[Hantaksk]

I honestly see no reason why not to equip anything (besides gear), unless you are trying to make a point of how superb of a player you are.
Even level 1 consumables help, dont tell me you runned out of cryo? or you are "saving" them...

Truth is, when you get to a point where your manifest is getting completed you have TONS of consumables you dont even WANT to use, not because of hoarding issues, but because theres a zillion others that are way better.

Ammo level 1-2 are pretty much worthless and they are only really usefull to add "effects" to the guns your are using. level 3-4 are the thing you want to enchance your killing abilities. so why not use those 1-2 level thingies? weapon powers are a different deal, but level 1 can usually be spared.

Also, i pug a lot, and unless we are using a mix of infiltrators grenade spammer classes regular pug games take 20+ minutes, usually 24-26-28. Dont know why, but i suppose its people farming enemies and powers while playing. When i play with friends the norm is 20 mins.

I usually host, and i load my level 3 ammo, level 1-2 weapon mod, power level 1-2-3 and gear, people that join usually equip good consumables too once they realize we are all using them, and things usually go smoothly.
When i join random games, i equip my level 1 consumables, just in case i land during a game, if i land on a lobby and no one equips a thing i usually leave or stay with my low level consumables on, if they equip good equipment i do the same.

You can justify the way you want why you dont use consumables but truth is theres really NO good reason to not use them.

[jaydubs67]

It's okay, because your lack of using equipment is clearly visible and people have had the opportunity to decide to play or not to play with you.  You have rocket and medigel stocks, which are not visible and are much more of an issue when people are out.  

Now, if you show up in a lobby with something like a Katana merely for challenge purposes, I will ask you to put on some equipment or to leave.  

[Doni]

As long as you remember to use gear (there's really no excuse not to), I don't mind.

[rnc007]

I find a high correlation b/w people that don't use equipment before games with those that don't use their in-game consumables (duh, I know). Because I'm working on challenges atm and am trying to score**** a bit, I don't really mind but it's good to know. I do have a policy though that if you don't have equipment I will not go out of my way to revive you. Seems fair to me.

If you bleed out in a money wave however I will automatically vote to kick you after the game. There's only so much...

[DarthVarner]

ExE_aVErAgE_aZn wrote...

DarthVarner wrote...

ExE_aVErAgE_aZn wrote...

Max out your commons and uncommons first using recruit and vetern packs and you'll have plenty of level 1 and 2 equipment have use. There is no excuse to not use at least lvl 1 equipment, even if it's only soemthing like cryo ammo, adren, stabilization, or even a strength mod. Always put something on.

Some of us have been playing since release, maxed everything but URs before the first DLC, and used all of our lvl 1 / 2 equips as of months ago.  Check my n7hq.  Anything III or higher is Platinum-only.

Gold minus equip/ammo approximates Platinum difficulty in terms of damage required to down a given mob.  I primarily play Platinum, but when I play Gold I play deliberately without equip/ammo - because the handicap keeps you sharp for the higher difficulty.

If you want to progress, correctly, the right way would be to start in Silver w/equips, then work up to Silver without equips, at which point you can probably handle Gold w/equips, then work up to doing Gold without equips, at which point you might not be dead weight on Platinum.  See how that works?  You guys are gimping your progression.

Aside: So you would like to see a strength mod on my Salarian or Geth Infiltrator?  

I'm clearly not missing anything by not playing with you.

Even if you have maxed out your manifest, Veteran Packs do give you Lvl 3 equipment, as well as 4 lvl 2 equipment as well if you've maxed out your supplies. From one successful Gold game, You can purchase 4 vetern packs, leading up to 4 lvl 3 equipment and 16 lvl 2 equipment. All for one gold game. The alternative to that is just buying only 1 spectre pack, which only gives you 1 lvl 4 and 4 lvl 3's, which only if you have max supplies. Also, you can only buy one of those every successful gold game. Which in all, there's not really any excuse not to have low lvl equipment when the Vetern Packs exist.

Also, the fact that you have a strength mod on your Salarian or Geth Inf. doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go out of your way to melee everything to death. Melee isn't necessary a main means of killing anyway. It's meant for last resort stagger and recovery. If there is no other option you have to save your teammate who is down, and the only way you're going to finish the wave is with him, You can light melee the pyro to stagger it long enough to revive him and both of you take off to finish the wave in style, instead of being a lonely soloer in despair. Don't underestimate the light melee, even if you have a claymore or a widow, etc.

I can't believe you actually tried to justify a strength mod on an infil, save the Shadow or the odd edge melee-infil specs.  

I don't buy veteran packs.  I don't buy Spectre packs.  I buy PSPs, and that's it.  Your solution is the equivalent of flushing 20-30 minutes down the toilet, when my goal is optimizing UR drops.  PSPs give enough equipment to supply platinum runs, and platinum runs alone.  

Also, when I pop into your Gold lobby with my SI packing a Valiant IX and Scorpion X with Operative Gear V but no equip/ammo, I've yet to be kicked.  It's an extremely rare day when someone gets near, nevermind passes me on the scoreboard, packing full equipment.  And I welcome Collectors, even on F-ing London or Vancouver.

If you need equip to succeed on Gold, by all means - use it.  Many if not most do.  I don't, nor will I.  I was running Gold in under 20 minutes before the first DLC, without equipment, before Gear was even introduced.  I certainly don't need it now.

Make blanket rules at your own peril.  

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

not sure where the "ragemad" that you are talking about is coming from, people dont have to get all raged out to kick someone.

like i said previously this thread has convinced me i should start kicking non-equipment users, as i use to just go on ahead and start the game anyway.
i can still win with worthless non-equipment user on the team, i just find it annoying that i usually have to pull their weight.

not sure how people talking on the mic really makes a difference on this topic, so whatever.... 

btw your sig clicky for HQ doesnt work... tried to look just wondering what sort of badass i was talking to is all 

Working as intended I control who sees what if giving the option, im supressing my power level...dont need ppl knowing my stuff

[Koenig888]

rnc007 wrote...

I find a high correlation b/w people that don't use equipment before games with those that don't use their in-game consumables

and those who rage-quit after being downed

[MuKen]

DarthVarner wrote...

If you want to progress, correctly, the right way would be to start in Silver w/equips, then work up to Silver without equips, at which point you can probably handle Gold w/equips, then work up to doing Gold without equips, at which point you might not be dead weight on Platinum.  See how that works?  You guys are gimping your progression.

Life doesn't work like dbz, you don't improve faster at skill-based stuff by practicing with handicaps.  You get better at stuff by practicing it the same way you intend to do it in the end.  And at the end, you are going to be playing with gear.

You're going to use gear in platinum, so you want to be good with gear.  The best way to get good with gear is to play with gear.  Specifically, to go play in platinum, with gear.  Even if you want to go get your practice playing gold, silver, or bronze, playing without gear isn't going to make you level up faster.

The reason people go through a difficulty progression as they improve is to avoid screwing over other people's platinum matches, not because it helps them level faster.  There is no reason to make a gear to no gear progression in the process, because in the end-game you will not be playing with no gear.

Modifié par MuKen, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[MajorStupidity]

It comes down to a player's personal experience with PUG's. The vast majority I play have players who are quite subpar and require me to be at my A-game to succeed (this includes people who have equipment and those who don't)

If I am pugging without my friends online I will just leave a game without equipment, but if I am hosting with a friend or two and a random joins with no equipment we kick automatically no questions asked. The way I see it is that me and my friends don't necessarily need equipment to succeed at gold, but we put it on just to make the game run smoother and quicker. If we are going to invest equipment into a game we damn well expect the same from other players in the game.

Lots of people play this game w/out equipment so the people we kick can just go find another lobby where they don't care about equipment.

[mpompeo27]

Cohen le Barbare wrote...

I use them because it allows me to kill things faster, be a better team player and because most of them are awesome. Why you would "gimp" yourself by not equipping consumables on gold is beyond me.

edit: I use lvl 3/4 equipment every match and I can't use them all.

This.

[UEG Donkey]

najzere wrote...

No did not realize you could top the scoreboard and not be pulling your weight. That doesn't sound possible to me.

So I just had one of the smoothest games I've ever had, Gold Reapers on Reactor and the clear time was 26:43. These are with players with much better weapons than I have and much higher N7 and challenge points, so I'd say this was an above average PUG. Maybe you play on PC? I've been playing Gold PUGs since Earth DLC and have never  seen a 20 minute match.

Salarian Infiltrator with Mantis X:
P1 108,496
P2 102,996
P3 92,621
P4 87,686

Yes, it's possible to top the scoreboard and not pull your weight, reactor reapers is fairly easy to clear in 20 minutes because of its size and ease of controlling spawn points. I've seen solo runs on gold go 20 minutes --> here's an example

[VaultingFrog]

At least equip gear. It never goes away and its a great bonus.

[Major Durza]

Very, VERY Few players are good enough to deal without consumables on Gold, and all those people are Platinum-quality players. If you're one of those, yes its *fine*. If you are being carried match after match, then no.

[Stabby Badger]

I don't see any reason to not at least equip ammo. I for one get at least 3 of them per PSP I buy. D:

[Bolo Xia]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

not sure where the "ragemad" that you are talking about is coming from, people dont have to get all raged out to kick someone.

like i said previously this thread has convinced me i should start kicking non-equipment users, as i use to just go on ahead and start the game anyway.
i can still win with worthless non-equipment user on the team, i just find it annoying that i usually have to pull their weight.

not sure how people talking on the mic really makes a difference on this topic, so whatever.... 

btw your sig clicky for HQ doesnt work... tried to look just wondering what sort of badass i was talking to is all 

Working as intended I control who sees what if giving the option, im supressing my power level...dont need ppl knowing my stuff

sorry man but that just sounds like really silly.

only 2 types of people i can see that would hide their HQ, i will let you guess what those types are, because its not hard to figure out.

there is a 3rd type i guess, the person that screwed up linking the icon and the HQ together, but trying to save face by saying "i meant to do that."

anyway i dont really care about your HQ, but just pointing this out because i think that answer was pretty funny.

oh... have fun and laters, this thread is beyond silly anymore.

[doozerdude]

Yeh, you should end your terrible existance.

[najzere]

jaydubs67 wrote...
It's okay, because your lack of using equipment is clearly visible and people have had the opportunity to decide to play or not to play with you.  You have rocket and medigel stocks, which are not visible and are much more of an issue when people are out.  

Now, if you show up in a lobby with something like a Katana merely for challenge purposes, I will ask you to put on some equipment or to leave.

Absolutely, and in fact that was exactly what I was saving them for—crappy kits I'd be using just for challenges.

Scruffaluphagus wrote...
As long as you remember to use gear (there's really no excuse not to), I don't mind.

I always use gear, no reason not to.

rnc007 wrote...
I find a high correlation b/w people that don't use equipment before games with those that don't use their in-game consumables (duh, I know). Because I'm working on challenges atm and am trying to score**** a bit, I don't really mind but it's good to know. I do have a policy though that if you don't have equipment I will not go out of my way to revive you. Seems fair to me.

If you bleed out in a money wave however I will automatically vote to kick you after the game. There's only so much...

I personally use in-game consumables (all of them if I have to). I understand people in the lobby might think I won't use them since I don't use equipment, and I'm fine with that risk.

UEG Donkey wrote...
Yes, it's possible to top the scoreboard and not pull your weight, reactor reapers is fairly easy to clear in 20 minutes because of its size and ease of controlling spawn points. I've seen solo runs on gold go 20 minutes --> here's an example

A top tier player with better equipment and much more skill than me or anyone I've PUG'd with is some kind of evidence? I'm pretty sure even I could get a sub-20 minute Gold match if a Stentron was on my team, however they're far and few between.

----

Sorry for the 17 hour bump, first time back on BSN after Thanksgiving. Here's the (probably final) poll results update while I'm here: out of 474 votes, it's pretty much the same, 63.5% say no equipment is bad, 36.5% say it's fine.

[megabeast37215]

najzere wrote...

I understand that the matches will be easier and quicker with equipment for me and my team, I just don't care.

This doesn't make you bad... this makes you an a-hole and a terribad teammate. People like you are why pugs have the reputation they do... greedy leechers, only concerned with themselves, in a team oriented game. Pathetic.

[najzere]

How is it leeching to contribute as much or more to a match than anyone else? Just because I could have contributed more? Does that mean when you play with any character/weapons/loadout besides your very best scorer that you're leeching, since you could have done better?

[Tybo]

megabeast37215 wrote...

najzere wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...
Honestly... if you want money, you should be playing Platinum with friends. That's how rares/ultra-rares get maxed out... doing it by playing Gold takes forever.

I don't have any friends. T_T

Of course you don't. People that don't put on equipment, and only score 80k in gold games don't get friend requests because they are mediocre.

I'm gonna have to bring this back up.  The best way to get friends is to use equipment and play excellently instead of just acceptably.