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[Swan Killer]

najzere wrote...

POLL: Am I a bad person?

So I'm pretty much just interested in maxing my rares right now, and since I've finally gotten to the level where I don't really need  consumables to compete on Gold, I've stopped using them. You can see in my manifest that I hardly have any, and the reason is I only buy PSPs. I'm saving my limited supply for times when I need to boost a character/weapon I'm using for challenges, but otherwise I only put on gear for Gold matches.

There have been some threads recently about this, but I wanted to see some numbers so here's a poll. I have a bunch of excuses and rationalizations, but really it's just selfishness as I can't make myself spend money on JEPs when those 33,000 credits could be going toward a PSP. So I apologize to anyone who plays with me! By the way, I haven't had a kick vote put on me yet for doing this, so perhaps that's tacit agreement of my actions?

You don't have to apologize, because you won't be playing with me, not without equipment. It's not even a question of skill for me, but more like it shows the person's willingness to give it everything he's got for the win, for the team. Yesterday the three of us sat in the lobby fully geared up, and we kept kicking people who came in and readied up without slapiing on at least a level 1 cryo. 

I really want to buy PSP's exclusively too, ( I guess everybody does who are without a maxed manifest), but I like to give my maximum in a game, and I like to deal as much damage as possible. 
So unless you're in a hurry somewhere, there's no excuse no to buy any JEP's every now and then.

Modifié par tivesz, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

najzere wrote...

Sorry for the confusion, I am talking about equipment (Ammo, Armor and Weapon consumables) not in-game consumables (Medi-Gel, Missiles, etc.). Changed the title to reflect that.

Okay, well now I do feel guilty. I probably won't start putting on equipment, but I will feel bad when I don't now. Thanks everyone!

Oh.  In that case, of course you shouldn't feel bad.  If you at least have gear and are moderately skilled, you definitely can pull your weight in a PUG (Bronze - Gold).

Don't feel bad at all, OP. 

However, you might want to consider using equipment for Platinum though.  It's just a boss killing fest, and that can last very long without some amps.

[Bob Garbage]

If you can hold your own without, just think of how much of help you'd be if you used them.

[upinya slayin]

CeeMurda7 wrote...

Yeah you are. You're also bad if you haven't used at least one missile during a gold game.

I disagree.

Consumables are not necessary. its not a big deal to not use them. The only thing you should do is gel when necessary. don't refuse to gel.

Also as far as rockets go, when i was doing the weapon challenges i avoided using them as i wanted to score as much with the weapons to get the chalenge done. When i'm trying to xp boost though (level up fast) i will use armored compartments and use all 8 espcially spawn nuking extraction. its the best way to run up the xp for the team

[Blitzkrieg_33]

You are bad and you should feel bad.

[THE Terry]

Its not really THAT bad, but I am certainly annoyed at people who do this. You should be able to afford them if your playing gold and winning, and if your not winning you obviously need consumables. It really comes down to the fact that I have more to lose than you do during the match. We fail and no big deal you wasted most of 20 mins, but I lose 3 pieces of level 3-4 gear. It just suggests that your not invested enough to use that extra medigel or rocket we may need later.

[Krantzstone]

As long as you're not forcing your team to carry you or forcing them to use their (for example) missiles on target elimination objectives just because you're too stingy to use your own, I don't really see a problem so long as you're able to carry PUGs who may not be as good as you, or you're playing with friends/teams that are aware ahead of time that you're not going to be using consumables.

I personally need all the help I can get on Gold that I always use any and all consumables available to me, as needed. Unfortunately, that means that if I'm the best person on the team, we're probably already in trouble because I may end up going through most of my Ops, 'gels, missiles and even thermal packs before the mission is even half over just to avoid having the team wipe early on, and then we all end up bleeding out or stomped on wave 7 anyway because no one else seems to have any consumables (or didn't bother to use the ones they had ).

Ideally, everyone would have maxed consumable carrying capacity and keep them topped up so that we can all take turns using them as needed so that no one person is forced to use up all of theirs to save the team just because the rest of the team aren't able or willing to use theirs (which I'd really call a form of leeching).

[sirus1988]

One of the only things that pisses me off is when players don't use their medi-gel appropriately. I hate it when a loner decides to take on a horde on the opposite side of the map and decides to bleed out instead of using a medi-gel.

[NuclearTech76]

5k buys a recruit pack with level one consumables in it. You can't afford 5K in credits?

If the lobby isn't running equipment, you're probably fine but likely will end up soloing most of the match.

[najzere]

ForTuchanka wrote...
Out of curiosity... how would a lobby that you've just been randomly matched into "know" that you'll pull your weight without consumables?   The dozens of times I've been told that (and even more grandiose things about the player's skill) have resulted almost exclusively in the person scoring last or rage quiting halfway through when they suck.  Only a single random person lived up to their boast in the last 6 months of almost exclusive gold play for me.  Investing in the match with consumables shows me that you're putting something on the line for the team and are willing to spend extra via medigels and rockets to get the job done.  If I'm hosting a game (which I only do when I play with a friend) and a player doesn't want to equip up, they either get booted or the lobby doesn't start.  If I'm just randomly joining matches myself, I'll leave lobbies where no one wants to equip until I find one where people are already doing so.  My completion rate has gone significantly up whereas my douchebag encounter rate has gone significantly down.  Are there people who can score 1st without anything in gold?  Sure.  Is there anyway you can tell them apart in the lobby from greedy idiots who will rage quit wave 2?  Absolutely not.

They won't know and I don't mic up to tell them that anyway. I agree that statistically you'll have a better time playing with people that use equipment rather than those that don't, but like I said, I haven't been kicked yet so I'm just taking advantage while I can.

ForTuchanka wrote...
You say that you've never been kicked for it but I also see that you play on the least populated platform (the PS3).  I've seen a bunch of complaints here about a lack of players on PS3 in general so maybe something is better than nothing in the eyes of random gamers simply looking to play.  The general sentiment seems to be gaining alot of traction over on the xbox side though. 

I've never had a problem getting a match on PS3 and I haven't heard anyone complain of that. Our playerbase is smaller, but it's still hundreds of thousands of people, which is plenty for finding matches.

Jack Crapper wrote...
However, you might want to consider using equipment for Platinum though. It's just a boss killing fest, and that can last very long without some amps.

I don't play Platinum, but if I ever did I would definitely use whatever I could.

[Zaidra]

Unless you're playing with friends who agree not to bring any or are fine with that, yes you are being bad.

Not bringing equipment means that you have nothing to lose, thus you aren't committed to completing the match so if you go down and risk dying, you have no reason to revive or use consumables.

Remember that some people don't have maxed out manifests and are still trying to get the characters and weapons that they want. By not committing to their game, you increase the chances of failing and thus are holding people back from accomplishing what you have accomplished.

That's why if somebody readies up for a platinum game with no equipment, I vote to kick them.

[neteng101]

Learn to like shotguns a bit more? Seems like you have more shotgun rails which is weird because most people are low on these.

[Krantzstone]

Heh, sorry, I missed the thread title change. Anyway, if you can hack it without it, then by all means. I never auto-kick people just because they don't equip stuff: I've been down on equipment myself (I don't seem to get many even with Jumbos, and usually the ones I use least ) but I always equip the best ones I have when I have them.

I wish we could buy Equipment Packs, Ammo Mod packs, etc. because sometimes I won't have any of a certain type and I never seem to get the ones I need.

[DarthVarner]

MetalDeggial wrote...

You are bad and you should feel bad.

There's absolutely no reason to not buy JEPs even for someone who is still leveling up his rares. Two Gold games with extractions will net you 165k credits IIRC if you had good times on objective waves, which allows you to buy 5 Jumbos.

I'd stay the Hell out of anything other than Gold/Geth/Firebase White games until you max your rares, and play on Silver the remainder of the time, because, you know, you are cheap.

"Absolutely no reason not to buy JEPs" - so, your definitiion of absolutely no reason is - since we're talking about Gold here - sacrificing half of one game's credit intake, or about 1/3 of a PSP?  Remember you have to do this farily often, because while you get a decent number of consumables in a JEP you are NOT guaranteed to get the ones you want or need; it's random just like the rest of the store.  Absolutely no reason?  I think not; more like "so long as you don't mind a 20-35% credit/time tax, which I'm willing to pay thus SO SHOULD YOU!"  I'll thank you not to speak for me, and hope you never hold public office - though you'd fit right in.

I value my time, and enjoy playing the game but my goal right now is maxing URs.  I only buy PSPs.  Ever.  They are the best deal in average credits / UR.  Contrary to your statements, anything ELSE is a waste of my credits and (by extension) time.  

Do I have equipment?  Yes.  I used up my lvl I and II consumables on Gold before Platinum existed, so it's all level III and IV, and it is NOT for Gold.  I will use consumables in any match (rockets, ops packs, gels if necessary but shouldn't be) as needed, but you won't see me with more than Gear equipped in a Gold lobby.  Platinum is a different story.

And, equip-less, the scoreboard will look like I was carrying the team.  Unless I'm on my Volus, where the score isn't the point and neither is his personal damage.

This entire movement is a sort of reverse-elitism of entitled or mathematically-deficient people wanting everyone to play the game their non-optimal way, when it's not necessary.  If most people did use equipment on Gold, I think you guys would be saying "There's no reason not to be using equipment on Silver..." and the arguments would be equally fallacious.  

Modifié par DarthVarner, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[ISHYGDDT]

If you're playing a class that can benefit from using equipment (virtually all of them), you should probably be using equipment.

[Chaoswind]

Yes.

I don't need them, but if everyone else is using them what makes you so special?

Use level 1 stuff, that shows somekind of commitment to win the match, 6 out of 10 times people that don't use equipment won't use rockets or gel either and that is a huge %.

[Clearly Balkan]

Yes, you are a bad person and should feel bad.

[Serker31]

Consumables do not make you great player. They make you score 10-20-30% better, no more and not less. If you good, you will become epic. If you play like my grandma, with consumables you will play like... well, my grandpa (I know he plays Lines from time to time, so he knows at least where are the buttons on mouse). Also, there are lots of things to do in game, like aiming carefully, keeping situational awareness or taking fire off team mates if needed, and there is no consumables for it.
I almost never use consumables in anything below Platinum. It makes stuff explode faster, but this won't make game more interesting, really. In Plat however, I'd rather go with them than without. But missiles and gels is ok at any difficulty.
inb4 someone calls me bad. I end up first in score table in like 95% of matches, leaving even "all-level-4" consumable guys behind. Maybe it is my luck or something.

Modifié par Serker31, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[sonofabumdooda]

it madness not to use it..
All ammo is useful ...even explosive rounds (nearly) 3 of them set up the three flavours of tech bursts,1 for shooting big things, 2 for shooting through things and 1 for increased bio damage...

I could make 2 more lists of other useful stuff...but do I really need to??

why wouldn't you use these things.

people that say they're good enough on gold without them make me laugh...
sure save your 3's & 4's for platinum...but what would you use the 1's &2's for??..earmuffs??

[MuKen]

najzere wrote...
You can see in my manifest that I hardly have any, and the reason is I only buy PSPs.

Even buying only psps, you are averaging GETTING a couple equipment per run.  More if you are done with rares since all those rare cards become lv4 equipment. Thus you should be averaging USING a couple equipment per run, otherwise you are basically expecting three strangers to help you horde stuff for yourself.

If nobody else in the lobby is using equipment, then fine, you're all saving up stuff.  But if they are, then you should be too, it's rude not to.

If you are not averaging getting a couple equipment per run, then you are failing a lot of runs and you should go down to a lower difficulty.

Modifié par MuKen, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[Gethzilla-N7SP]

Yes, you are a bad person and will burn in hell for that!
Just kidding.

If you know what you are doing and are able to help your team without using equips, then everything ok. But if because of that, you end up being carried on the shoulders by the other players, then you should reconsider your strategy and equip something.

[Noahsun]

I earn them faster then I can use them so I don't see any reason to not use equipment.

[Saradas85]

I rarely use any consumable on gold (those equipped), because I save them for platinum. I'm never parsimonious with consumable items (gel, rockets..) because those can really change the outcome of a match.
If people complain I simply equip some useless consumables like cryo ammo I, so they are happy and we can finally start the match. I think it's some sort of psychological matter

[ultima2006]

Think of it this way: you're gimping yourself by not using consumables because every match could run a lot faster with them. This includes, but it's not limited to well placed missiles in spams on waves 8 and 9.

[Omega2079]

Subjective opinion is subjective.