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[Kingston Atticus]

aj2070 wrote...

I am gun shy when it comes to using consumables because I hate losing them when the host rage quits.

People rage quit alot on Pc then?

[najzere]

Bolo Xia wrote...

also i should add that when i do gold/plat and 1 person doesnt use equipments i usually atomatically think... "great this guy is going to be useless most of  the time" which may not be true, but more times than not that player wont use gels or any consumables either.

i still start the match anyway, because i already have a full manifest and just assume that they are just another random i have to drag across the finish line.... again.

so if i was the OP, i wouldnt use terms of how many kicks as a judgement of if people like it or not.
the only way you could find out if people like it is by asking on the mic, but if you do ask you are already feeling a bit guilty in my opinion. thus if you are feeling guilty for asking then deep down you know that you are a hinderance to the team.

but like i said this is just my opinion, take it with an open mind or do whatever.

Yes, deep down I do feel a bit guilty, but definitely not a hinderance. The whole reason I started playing Gold without equipment is because I don't feel like a hinderance without them anymore.

Modifié par najzere, 21 novembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[MaxCrushmore]

Personally, my best gold character is the Vorcha soldier/sentinel .. works best with my playstyle ... Flamer all the time ... hence there are very few armor or weapon mods which apply.

For the armor mods, only adrenaline or power amplifier modules mean anything for the Vorcha (what am i going to do, increase my little drop in the bucket of shields to 2 drops in the bucket? .. wooo!)

For the weapons mods, I only use an SMG or shotgun typically with this character (although i will be experimenting with the Acolyte for shield stripping ..)

So i'm typically out of these mods

Most times i end up using an ammo mod even though i only fire my weapon under 10 times a gold match (again ... flamer all the time, mmm barbecue). This is just to show the other players i have an investment, but is still a waste ...

And yes, I regularly contribute (60-110K - not a ringer), act as the point man vs banshees, phantoms, etc., use gels and missiles as needed to complete waves (esp waves 3, 6, 10) ... just feel free to cut me some slack if i don't have consumables on as i will still contribute (Flamer = great boss killer)

I do want to save almost all my money to buy PSPs as i do (still) not have a harrier after 150+ PSPs (annoying)... hence i do not have a lot of consumables in supply

[Kommandant Schaefer]

himohillo wrote...

I don't equip anything until I reach lobby waiting for a match. I don't want to be thrown into a game that is complete disaster and waste my consumables for something that doesn't have any payback coming. If others are putting something on, I'll also do it, otherwise I feel bad about it. If not, well then I'm not putting anything either.

^this

[Computron2000]

A UUG gold match nets ~320k (packages and running with it) to 460k (hacks) so average its 390k. If the second and third place guy gets 80k, the 4th place guy gets 60k, the first place guy gets 170k

The scoreboard will look like this
Guy 1 170k
Guy 2 80k
Guy 3 80k
Guy 4 60k

Now does that look like a match where everyone did a lot of damage? If not why? Equipment will be likely 1 reason.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I personally vote to kick when I see someone ready up in Gold+ with no equipment. You should be using at least Level I stuff, if nothing else than to let your team know you're serious.

[MaxShine]

nah, you are just being cheap... If you win those games you should be swimming in equipment anyways... So you could just as well use it...

[MuKen]

Saradas85 wrote...

it's funny how people seem to forget that there are casual gamers too, out there...maybe some players don't use consumables at every match because they don't play 6 hrs a day and they don't have >100 consumables per type

Amount of playtime has nothing to do with using equipment or not.  The amount of equipment you get per match will remain the same on average, so the amount of equipment you use per match should be the same on average.  If you play more and get more total equipment, you should be using more total equipment due to the greater number of games you played.

[llandwynwyn]

I've played without equipment, non host, on Gold many times without problem. It really depends on the player.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 21 novembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Bolo Xia]

najzere wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

also i should add that when i do gold/plat and 1 person doesnt use equipments i usually atomatically think... "great this guy is going to be useless most of  the time" which may not be true, but more times than not that player wont use gels or any consumables either.

i still start the match anyway, because i already have a full manifest and just assume that they are just another random i have to drag across the finish line.... again.

so if i was the OP, i wouldnt use terms of how many kicks as a judgement of if people like it or not.
the only way you could find out if people like it is by asking on the mic, but if you do ask you are already feeling a bit guilty in my opinion. thus if you are feeling guilty for asking then deep down you know that you are a hinderance to the team.

but like i said this is just my opinion, take it with an open mind or do whatever.

Yes, deep down I do feel a bit guilty, but definitely not a hinderance. The whole reason I started playing Gold without equipment is because I don't feel like a hinderance without them anymore.

if i can kill a preatorian 10 secs faster with equipment than someone else without equipment, does that mean the bar has been raised when considering if someone is being a hinderence?

gold can be still be won in 30 mins, as opposed to sub 20 mins, usually the sub 20 min games all players have equipment on. 

im asking seriously, no disrespect either, just trying to understand why you do not feel like a hinderance.
also maybe you are a chuck norris ingame, but this thread seems to be geared towards whether it being okay for every one to not use equipment.

i usually base how good someone is on the team based on how much of a teamplayer they are, but in this debate is the player not being a teamplayer if everyone has on equipment except one player? and not contributing as much as they could be?

i know we are kinda venturing into a deep element here, but im just curious, whatever answer you give is fine as it is your opinion.

[Charaxan]

Never use consumables (except of course medigel, missiles and IG consumables) and I am always on top of the board except when I play characters not suitable for that.

Play with what you want, how you want, and if 2/3rd of gamers don't want to play with you, you still have 1/3rd of players (equivalent in numbers of an entire city...) whe want to play with you regardless.

I would be glad to share a game with you and I am not affraid of a player able to handle himself...

[silencekills]

MuKen wrote...

Saradas85 wrote...

it's funny how people seem to forget that there are casual gamers too, out there...maybe some players don't use consumables at every match because they don't play 6 hrs a day and they don't have >100 consumables per type

Amount of playtime has nothing to do with using equipment or not.  The amount of equipment you get per match will remain the same on average, so the amount of equipment you use per match should be the same on average.  If you play more and get more total equipment, you should be using more total equipment due to the greater number of games you played.

Is that factoring in the randomness of the equipment you get and the fact that you might not want to use the set up that could use what you get for the one or two matches you play that day, thus rendering what you get  completely useless to you?

We need a formula for this.

[najzere]

Computron2000 wrote...
A UUG gold match nets ~320k (packages and running with it) to 460k (hacks) so average its 390k. If the second and third place guy gets 80k, the 4th place guy gets 60k, the first place guy gets 170k

The scoreboard will look like this
Guy 1 170k
Guy 2 80k
Guy 3 80k
Guy 4 60k

Now does that look like a match where everyone did a lot of damage? If not why? Equipment will be likely 1 reason.

Really? I'll have to pay more attention to the scoreboard from now on. The only one I can remember was my last match from this morning. If I recall correctly, it looked like this:

P1 120,000
P2 105,000
P3 60,000
P4 45,000

That's 330,000 points and we got Escort, Deliveries and Targets for our objective waves. I don't know. I don't play much and I don't look at the actual points on the scoreboard much, I just check my placement so you're probably right. I guess 80K is just my gut feeling for a decent contribution.

[wartser]

the only reason not to use equipment is if you don't have any (and if that happens, you play silver for a JEP).

You say you can do ok without them, right? So what are you saving them for? Since equipment is such a non-priority for you, why are you hoarding them? If all you have is strength enhancer 3's, use it.

[Bolo Xia]

najzere wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
A UUG gold match nets ~320k (packages and running with it) to 460k (hacks) so average its 390k. If the second and third place guy gets 80k, the 4th place guy gets 60k, the first place guy gets 170k

The scoreboard will look like this
Guy 1 170k
Guy 2 80k
Guy 3 80k
Guy 4 60k

Now does that look like a match where everyone did a lot of damage? If not why? Equipment will be likely 1 reason.

Really? I'll have to pay more attention to the scoreboard from now on. The only one I can remember was my last match from this morning. If I recall correctly, it looked like this:

P1 120,000
P2 105,000
P3 60,000
P4 45,000

That's 330,000 points and we got Escort, Deliveries and Targets for our objective waves. I don't know. I don't play much and I don't look at the actual points on the scoreboard much, I just check my placement so you're probably right. I guess 80K is just my gut feeling for a decent contribution.

scores can vary based on how easy and fast objective rounds are completed, if the objective is delayed for most of the objective time then more points from kills can be obtained, but at the same time the clear time will be slower.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Charaxan wrote...

Never use consumables (except of course medigel, missiles and IG consumables) and I am always on top of the board except when I play characters not suitable for that.

Play with what you want, how you want, and if 2/3rd of gamers don't want to play with you, you still have 1/3rd of players (equivalent in numbers of an entire city...) whe want to play with you regardless.

I would be glad to share a game with you and I am not affraid of a player able to handle himself...

You seem like a real badass.

[Kittstalkur]

Depends on the class, honestly. My Batarian Vanguard and Paladin don't really use their guns, and do more than enough damage without a melee strength consumable or a tech power consumable (as in, killing everything but Scions/Praetorians/Brutes/Ravagers/Primes/Atlases in one hit/combo).

On the flip side, playing a Ghost is just painful without an assault rifle amp and ammo mod (and still pretty awful without incendiary 3/4).

[DarkAvatar89]

With certain OP builds (like geth flamer soldier), I won't use equipment bonuses because there's no need. Geth Flamer build let's me top gold by about double the score of the person in second place during PUG matches. I will rocket and gel though, where necessary, so as not to become a burden to my team.

[Kingston Atticus]

I could care less if you do use equipment or not, your choice. But it would be nice if even if you are a biotic, if you notice you are in a lobby of tech characters that you atleast use some low level amo that will help with tech burst. It may not seem like it matters, but tech bursts can speed the game up faster too. Not to mention cryo and fire explosions that can be picked up from your ammo as well.

And yes as somebody pointed out, this is a very hot topic to us Xbox players. Most of us do play for fun, but it is NO fun when we wipe because people aren't helping as much as they can and some of us also have a limited play time, so speeding up the match with consumables is VERY helpful. But as I said I do not care either way. I only kick people who are major jerks and make the game NO FUN for anybody else in the lobby.

[najzere]

Bolo Xia wrote...
if i can kill a preatorian 10 secs faster with equipment than someone else without equipment, does that mean the bar has been raised when considering if someone is being a hinderence?

gold can be still be won in 30 mins, as opposed to sub 20 mins, usually the sub 20 min games all players have equipment on. 

im asking seriously, no disrespect either, just trying to understand why you do not feel like a hinderance.
also maybe you are a chuck norris ingame, but this thread seems to be geared towards whether it being okay for every one to not use equipment.

i usually base how good someone is on the team based on how much of a teamplayer they are, but in this debate is the player not being a teamplayer if everyone has on equipment except one player? and not contributing as much as they could be?

i know we are kinda venturing into a deep element here, but im just curious, whatever answer you give is fine as it is your opinion.

Yeah it is interesting. I think it all comes down to your perspective. If you consider optimal performance to be the baseline, then anything less is a hinderance. I consider average contribution for a winning PUG to be the baseline. So if I can hit that baseline or exceed it without equipment, I feel like I'm doing my part. As far as being a team player, I do objectives, I revive and I don't go off and rambo. I actually don't play any differently than if I had equipment on, except I play a little safer. I've played multiple matches with the same lobby, so if they had a problem with my performance I suppose they would have kicked me.

[TheJtav]

What's with people complaining about not using equipment... all that matters is that the mission is successful and if one does not need equipment to accomplish that then they're fine.

[palmof40sorrows]

robarcool wrote...

OP thinks a bit too highly of themselves. Not needing consumables on gold, uh. No one needs them. People do it so the match goes more smoothly.

[MuKen]

silencekills wrote...

MuKen wrote...

Saradas85 wrote...

it's funny how people seem to forget that there are casual gamers too, out there...maybe some players don't use consumables at every match because they don't play 6 hrs a day and they don't have >100 consumables per type

Amount of playtime has nothing to do with using equipment or not.  The amount of equipment you get per match will remain the same on average, so the amount of equipment you use per match should be the same on average.  If you play more and get more total equipment, you should be using more total equipment due to the greater number of games you played.

Is that factoring in the randomness of the equipment you get and the fact that you might not want to use the set up that could use what you get for the one or two matches you play that day, thus rendering what you get  completely useless to you?

We need a formula for this.

That is still, averaged over the long run, irrelevant.  You get X consumables per match, then you should be using X consumables per match on average.  If some portion of those are 'undesirables', then that just means that portion of those you use are not that great, but why should that keep you from using them?  You'll just keep that slot empty in some matches, despite that you have an ever growing pile of some "crap" consumable you refuse to ever use?

If you are not using consumables when the other players are, you are hoarding at their expense.

[MuKen]

TheJtav wrote...

What's with people complaining about not using equipment... all that matters is that the mission is successful and if one does not need equipment to accomplish that then they're fine.

A 30 minute mission is the same as a 20 minute mission?  No.

If the other players are spending their consumables to make the match faster for all of you, and you are saving yours while benefitting from the fact that they used theirs, then you are leeching from them.