316 réponses à ce sujet

[Zardoc]

I don't give a rat's furry behind if you use equipment or not. I rarely use it and rather easily keep up with or outscore people who do, so...whatever. Maybe the PUGs I play with just plain suck, who knows.

[Kingston Atticus]

You could also just buy Sp's and a couple recruits as well you still get your chance at gold lvl stuff and you also get equipment and consumables.

[LePetitRobot]

If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

[Dracian]

No, it's okay, but my friends and I will kick you 99% of the time.

[Deitar]

My connection is really jumpy, and because of that I start first match without consumables ( I tend to be dropped mid-match quite often anyway ), and if my connection turns out to be good, I don't mind equipping for the following matches (unless the group breaks apart by then, that is).

[Bolo Xia]

TheJtav wrote...

What's with people complaining about not using equipment... all that matters is that the mission is successful and if one does not need equipment to accomplish that then they're fine.

so what if the other 3 have to carry a leecher, is that the same thing as winning and helping out, sure the other 3 could win but they would have had to do all the "work" or more than their fair share.

would you be my partner on a job site if i sit around drinking coffee while you do everything?
remember do not complain while im telling jokes at the water cooler getting paid the same as you.

i am using a job as the example in an extreme case here, i realize that, but just stating that "as long as we win who cares" is just a bad argument to me.

it is your opinion after all and we can choose to disagree all day long, but as all debates go both sides must provide a good argument. neither has to be right but at least formidable.

maybe some people can use a broken hammer to build a house in the same time as a proffesionally equiped worker can, but not everyone can and that is what i see happening here. is maybe the few that cant are trying to jump on the band wagon when their skill does not support it.

when they should just put on the equipment and increase the chances and speed of making those lovely credits.

i have a maxed manifest and i have used consumable and equipment almost every game, may not be lvl 3 every game but i use what i have on hand. even if get low on lvl 1 stuff i spam recruits to refill my consumables and get equipment at the same time.

anyway whether im right or wrong, you decide if you would want me at that job site if i showed up and did nothing all day. 

[najzere]

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

[Bolo Xia]

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

maybe not smooth, but the player is risking their equipment, which in turn mean they will most likely care more about winning than those without.

a player without could rage quit at any givin time knowing that they will lose nothing, whereas the player with equipment will most likely not want to waste it.

so i agree that i would rather take the player with equipment, just based on the idea that he will "care" more about winning in my opinion.

anyway enjoy the debate im off to play. :innocent:

[Swan Killer]

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

Since you don't use any equipment, you have no idea how much better it looks  for those players who are fully geared up in the lobby, and see that you have an AP III, an Assault Riffle Amp III, a Cyclonic III and a whatever gear to go with your Harrier I.  It shows commitment, because you actually have something to loose and won't rage quit, because you bled out on the other side of the map.

On the other hand, if you ready up with a Harrier I naked, you can expect to be kicked before you can say blueberry pancakes.

[Rebel_Raven]

I can't vote coz there's no option for my answer.

On one hand, kudos for being able to extract on gold without needing consumeables if you can do it without being a liability.

On the other hand, I think you maaaay be setting a bad example. People see you going in without consumeables, and then figure they don't need consumeables, and success may not mean they're ready to just go in without consumeables with any group.

[Charaxan]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Charaxan wrote...

Never use consumables (except of course medigel, missiles and IG consumables) and I am always on top of the board except when I play characters not suitable for that.

Play with what you want, how you want, and if 2/3rd of gamers don't want to play with you, you still have 1/3rd of players (equivalent in numbers of an entire city...) whe want to play with you regardless.

I would be glad to share a game with you and I am not affraid of a player able to handle himself...

You seem like a real badass.

Not badass. The one who will force me to use consumables is not born yet and assuming it is one of those whith whom I played, not worthy of asking me anything because with they all level IV equipment they still didn't match my fps even if I am more medic than fighter in those parties.


You want to use consumables ? Fine. Great. Do, have fun. don't walk in my garden asking me to do the same. If you don't like my barbecue, find an other neighbour to host you.

As soon as I do the mission, kill every ennemies between them and the landing zone, and do it faster than them, use my IG consumables to save the day, I don't think any of them is in a position to force me to do anything.

May they learn to play, try to humiliate me or anything, then wanting me to be the same level as them by using consumables, they may win a point, but since it is more and more rare anybody is first on the board and more and more frequent form me to have twice the xp they have, I consider nobody of them has a lesson to give me on how I have to play my AA.

Modifié par Charaxan, 21 novembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[Omega2079]

We should always be using the best consumables we have. We should also always be GIs.

[Chaoswind]

Bolo Xia wrote...

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

maybe not smooth, but the player is risking their equipment, which in turn mean they will most likely care more about winning than those without.

a player without could rage quit at any givin time knowing that they will lose nothing, whereas the player with equipment will most likely not want to waste it.

so i agree that i would rather take the player with equipment, just based on the idea that he will "care" more about winning in my opinion.

anyway enjoy the debate im off to play. :innocent:

exactly the point

no one equips anything? yeah why not

People are  using their level 3 and 2, equip level 1 or get kicked

[TheJtav]

Bolo Xia wrote...

TheJtav wrote...

What's with people complaining about not using equipment... all that matters is that the mission is successful and if one does not need equipment to accomplish that then they're fine.

so what if the other 3 have to carry a leecher, is that the same thing as winning and helping out, sure the other 3 could win but they would have had to do all the "work" or more than their fair share.

would you be my partner on a job site if i sit around drinking coffee while you do everything?
remember do not complain while im telling jokes at the water cooler getting paid the same as you.

i am using a job as the example in an extreme case here, i realize that, but just stating that "as long as we win who cares" is just a bad argument to me.

it is your opinion after all and we can choose to disagree all day long, but as all debates go both sides must provide a good argument. neither has to be right but at least formidable.

maybe some people can use a broken hammer to build a house in the same time as a proffesionally equiped worker can, but not everyone can and that is what i see happening here. is maybe the few that cant are trying to jump on the band wagon when their skill does not support it.

when they should just put on the equipment and increase the chances and speed of making those lovely credits.

i have a maxed manifest and i have used consumable and equipment almost every game, may not be lvl 3 every game but i use what i have on hand. even if get low on lvl 1 stuff i spam recruits to refill my consumables and get equipment at the same time.

anyway whether im right or wrong, you decide if you would want me at that job site if i showed up and did nothing all day. 

Me and my harrier x would like a word with you.

[kevosama]

tivesz wrote...

 It shows commitment, because you actually have something to loose and won't rage quit, because you bled out on the other side of the map.

This. It shows you have something invested, and are willing to take it seriously - not all quite as good as you and I woudl say most would like to make wave 10/extraction on gold. So even if it's a single level 1 consumable I like to see it. That will earn enough respect from me to avoid the kick-vote. Or if you explain yourself really, really well over the mic.

[najzere]

I guess I haven't played with the majority of you BSNers since I have yet to be kicked from a Gold lobby. Actually I've only been kicked once and it was from Silver and I had equipment on. :/

[DarthVarner]

MetalDeggial wrote...

DarthVarner wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

You are bad and you should feel bad.

There's absolutely no reason to not buy JEPs even for someone who is still leveling up his rares. Two Gold games with extractions will net you 165k credits IIRC if you had good times on objective waves, which allows you to buy 5 Jumbos.

I'd stay the Hell out of anything other than Gold/Geth/Firebase White games until you max your rares, and play on Silver the remainder of the time, because, you know, you are cheap.

"Absolutely no reason not to buy JEPs" - so, your definitiion of absolutely no reason is - since we're talking about Gold here - sacrificing half of one game's credit intake, or about 1/3 of a PSP?  Remember you have to do this farily often, because while you get a decent number of consumables in a JEP you are NOT guaranteed to get the ones you want or need; it's random just like the rest of the store.  Absolutely no reason?  I think not; more like "so long as you don't mind a 20-35% credit/time tax, which I'm willing to pay thus SO SHOULD YOU!"  I'll thank you not to speak for me, and hope you never hold public office - though you'd fit right in.

I value my time, and enjoy playing the game but my goal right now is maxing URs.  I only buy PSPs.  Ever.  They are the best deal in average credits / UR.  Contrary to your statements, anything ELSE is a waste of my credits and (by extension) time.  

Do I have equipment?  Yes.  I used up my lvl I and II consumables on Gold before Platinum existed, so it's all level III and IV, and it is NOT for Gold.  I will use consumables in any match (rockets, ops packs, gels if necessary but shouldn't be) as needed, but you won't see me with more than Gear equipped in a Gold lobby.  Platinum is a different story.

And, equip-less, the scoreboard will look like I was carrying the team.  Unless I'm on my Volus, where the score isn't the point and neither is his personal damage.

This entire movement is a sort of reverse-elitism of entitled or mathematically-deficient people wanting everyone to play the game their non-optimal way, when it's not necessary.  If most people did use equipment on Gold, I think you guys would be saying "There's no reason not to be using equipment on Silver..." and the arguments would be equally fallacious.  

People like you are the ones that make random PUGs unbearable. Using worhtless consumables like Cryo rounds I and hitting ready on Gold, and then throwing out the "BUT I'M GREAT MANG" excuse. You are the elitist player here, not me. I'm not the one who refuses to use stuff to help the team. You are, and you drag them down. 2 Gold games will take an average of 40 minutes, less if you are proficient with your team and character, prolly 25 or so in Glacier. I started playing AFTER the introduction of Gold, Platinum, Gear and stuff, and still managed to amass a decent ammount of consumables because, you know, I'm not an elitist ****** who loves being carried while self-proclaiming he's so good he doesn't need s**t on Platinum to solo it. I buy Jumbos regularly, like any good player does when he's running short on stuff, max rares/URs or not.

But go on, store those consumables forever. You dabess and you don't need consumables. Like this guy in here, who has actually reasons for not using stuff (he is short on it), even if they are weak. 5 jumbos will give you a ton of stuff, whether it's lvl. I or III, and good stuff too. Even if you don't have amps, there's always Vulnerability for headshots. You don't have lvl. III and IV ammo? Use lvl. I and II warp, AP, Incendiary, Phasic. No CycloMod IV? Use Shield Power Cells I or II. People who only buy PSPs are known to be bad and always run short on consumables for this very reason. Good players always advise on buying JEPs and Spectre Packs to get loads of consumables. And if you've been playing since the start? Even less reasons to no use consumbles. Chances are you have humongous ammounts of them. And you give me this pathetic excuse? Please.

You are also bad and you should feel bad, and there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO NOT USE CONSUMABLES ON GOLD AND PLATINUM. Not even in Silver, with the loads of lvl I and II stuff you must have. I won't carry your elitist ass.

Checking my N7HQ, like you could have but couldn't be spared the time from writing your baseless mass of ad hominem attacks:

• I have zero lvl 1 or 2 ammos of any type.
• I have zero lvl 1 or 2 armor equips of any type.
• I have some scant few (single digits) lvl 1 or 2 weapon amps of any type.  

I used to have these things, while I was leveling up my manifest, but I have had all but URs maxed since shortly after the 1st MP DLC landed.  They are gone, and they aren't coming back, because I refuse to waste money on anything less efficient than a PSP.  I can afford to do this and STILL keep my consumables (gels, missiles) comfortably above zero.  My guess is you cannot, and further believe this is not possible, but it is.

Some people do "need" to buy JEPs, because simply to survive matches they are blowing through their entire stock of missiles and gels in every mission.  No shame in this, if you need it to succeed at wave 10.  However, usually these people are the ones I laugh at while they waste missile after missile and gel after gel at trying to extract.  Newsflash: If you can do any match in less than approximately 25 minutes, you are BETTER OFF DYING after wave 10, and even on Platinum you're wasting money trying for that extraction bonus.  I have the math to prove this.

Stop wasting your consumables on extraction, and improve your play.  Also helps to stop promoting and only use lvl 20 chars.  REALLY helps not to bother soloing (I do duos at minimum; too many bugs for me to waste time soloing).  Then the income of consumables from PSPs can be sufficient to support you without a SINGLE JEP.  I'm living proof this can be done.  When treadmilling safely above zero in terms of consumables, JEPs are a complete waste of credits/time, as I established before.

The result in terms of ammo/equipment, though, is different.  My equipment, as I previously showed (feel free to verify this yourself) is exclusively III and IV.  This stuff is NOT FOR GOLD and never will be; the math simply doesn't support the use of 3x lvl III or IV ammo/equips given the payout from Gold.

Go ahead, do the math.  I'll wait.  More likely you'll just post another invective- and hate-laden reply though.

Modifié par DarthVarner, 21 novembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[DivineAtropos]

tivesz wrote...

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

Since you don't use any equipment, you have no idea how much better it looks  for those players who are fully geared up in the lobby, and see that you have an AP III, an Assault Riffle Amp III, a Cyclonic III and a whatever gear to go with your Harrier I.  It shows commitment, because you actually have something to loose and won't rage quit, because you bled out on the other side of the map.

On the other hand, if you ready up with a Harrier I naked, you can expect to be kicked before you can say blueberry pancakes.

Harrier 1 with no equipment is very viable on a Ghost. Through the wondrous algorithms of the RNG, I still only have a Harrier 1, and I can still outscore entire teams without needing consumables.

I actually rarely ever use consumables on gold at all. Gold is easy enough without them, Ghost or not. I tend to only throw some on if I really feel like I'm gonna have to carry a horrible team.

[DarthVarner]

Charaxan wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Charaxan wrote...

Never use consumables (except of course medigel, missiles and IG consumables) and I am always on top of the board except when I play characters not suitable for that.

Play with what you want, how you want, and if 2/3rd of gamers don't want to play with you, you still have 1/3rd of players (equivalent in numbers of an entire city...) whe want to play with you regardless.

I would be glad to share a game with you and I am not affraid of a player able to handle himself...

You seem like a real badass.

Not badass. The one who will force me to use consumables is not born yet and assuming it is one of those whith whom I played, not worthy of asking me anything because with they all level IV equipment they still didn't match my fps even if I am more medic than fighter in those parties.


You want to use consumables ? Fine. Great. Do, have fun. don't walk in my garden asking me to do the same. If you don't like my barbecue, find an other neighbour to host you.

As soon as I do the mission, kill every ennemies between them and the landing zone, and do it faster than them, use my IG consumables to save the day, I don't think any of them is in a position to force me to do anything.

May they learn to play, try to humiliate me or anything, then wanting me to be the same level as them by using consumables, they may win a point, but since it is more and more rare anybody is first on the board and more and more frequent form me to have twice the xp they have, I consider nobody of them has a lesson to give me on how I have to play my AA.

I concur with all of your points.

[Computron2000]

najzere wrote...

I guess I haven't played with the majority of you BSNers since I have yet to be kicked from a Gold lobby. Actually I've only been kicked once and it was from Silver and I had equipment on. :/

There will be some like me, who won't kick you but will remove all the level 3 stuff and go naked. If we get extraction, the game will be 20+% longer than my normal average. More likely is that we will crash and burn on wave 9 (the last pug i did this where its 143k, 73k, 43k, 24k on wave 9 at 29:53)

[Tarelgeth]

Perhaps, but you can be certain that you won't be a priority revive.

[najzere]

Tarelgeth wrote...
Perhaps, but you can be certain that you won't be a priority revive.

You will sandbag yourself and the team just to spite me?

[Computron2000]

najzere wrote...

Tarelgeth wrote...
Perhaps, but you can be certain that you won't be a priority revive.

You will sandbag yourself and the team just to spite me?

He most likely means that if there are 2 down on opposite sides of the map, you're on your own. I do that as well unless during the game the other guy is worse.

[sandboxgod]

You're ok by me. I always try to bring a full load of gels because I gotta represent. But ya I do try to be smart bout using my gels. Dont expect others to use them I dont buy their packs.

But it does make the match much easier. This way if I do something stupid (like get grabbed by banshee), I can rely on someone else to clutch

[kleichombam]

well unless you keep dying now and then and not contributing to the team effort. If not, you are more than welcome.Speaking for myself i use consumables, in fact all 3 slots going into gold matches. Theory is the first thing you have them is so that you can use them, whether or not others have consumables does not bother me unless they suck at the game but then again if you are that bad, hypothetically speaking even a level 10 consumable won't help you