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[MuKen]

najzere wrote...

Tarelgeth wrote...
Perhaps, but you can be certain that you won't be a priority revive.

You will sandbag yourself and the team just to spite me?

Haha, that was a massively conceited thing to post.

[IndigoVitare]

If you don't need equipment don't use it.

Wait, consumables?! You should definatly be using them. Medigel and Missiles are necessary in Gold.

EDIT, oh you don't.

Equipment's benefit is marginal to a good player. Unless you rely on certain things (like combo ammo) it's just a perk and not a requirement.

Modifié par IndigoVitare, 21 novembre 2012 - 11:11 .

[najzere]

Yeah I agree, in-game consumables are a must. I will actually buy some JEPs if I get too low on those.

[Charaxan]

najzere wrote...

Yeah I agree, in-game consumables are a must. I will actually buy some JEPs if I get too low on those.

IG consumables just save the day... One missile open the path or kill the target in missions. Gel get you out of trouble when nobody is around or when you are alone. I never use the spare ammo because I never need it but I need frequently to resplendish my health...

The thing is  : ammo, armor and gun equipment just "help", but the IG just save you and your team from any setback IG. 

It doesn't make you a bad person not to use it, but of course you will find it a lot more usefull, and could be needed.

I played a lot of gold missions just to go to 255 in all four, and now I never regret, because I am never, never again short on it. (I spend 30k when I am under 250 of each)

You do well to buy the JEPs, that's simple a matter of survival.

But it is just an opinion. As I said in an other thread, since I play Kroguard, I never use missiles anymore, as this char can occupy two bosses while other finish them with their grenades/guns. 

Modifié par Charaxan, 21 novembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[Robbiesan]

On Gold I tend to use an ammo consumable, and perhaps weapons and armor consumables, depending on enemy. Since I still getting used to the Collectors I will often use consumables. I always use a gear mod no matter what though.

As mentioned above, it is a good idea to use even a level 1 ammo mod to make things go a little faster. It is nice to use even a level inc ammo and know that fire is assisting in taking down an enemy (and most obviously to assist with tech bursts/explosions).

[megabeast37215]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
 No it's not......... It sounds like you've set an unrealistic standard for the general gaming populace. I've had games against the Collectors on Gold where everyone was at around that mark, score wise. Beats me why this happens, but calling someone subpar is absurd. That score sounds fine to me.


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 To answer the question, yes you should feel bad. No consummable equipment whatsoever sets off red flags in my book. It shows a lack of commitment to the match and indicates that the player is also out of medigels and rockets.

Collectors is a fair point... their XP values don't make sense.

Every faction except Collectors gives 450k-550k in U/U/G... except them. So by that definition, if someone got 80k in a game with 450-550k xp... they didn't pull their own weight... in fact they didn't even pull 20% of the total score.

[megabeast37215]

najzere wrote...

I've never been in a game where everyone was over 100K, so I guess my Gold PUGs are different than yours. In my experience 80K is about par, meaning whoever is in second or third is usually around there.

I am being 100% honest when I say that 100k+ per person is the norm in my games. Usually 100k-160k per person.

Didn't they buff the XP values on Gold/Plat last week anyway? Even more reason 80k doesn't cut it.

[SectiplaveB4]

I used to just like you OP, but then I took an..... *ahem* but then I decided to stop being greedy and went back to buying SP's so that I would have a more steady supply of equipment to use in each match.

I can fully understand being able to pull your weight without the use of amps and ammo etc. on Gold. But things really do go much faster with some decent equipment.

[megabeast37215]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
 Right? Statements like this have me convinced that a small portion of players are out of touch with the general ME3 population. I would think 60,000 to 80,000 would be an average range but even then, that doesn't account for game time, amount of deaths, and the skill level of the other players and their play style.

You're too easy on them. If you don't hold them to a higher standard, they'll never get better.

[cgj]

i always use consumables

not always lvl III and IV, it depends on the build
i would never play a sniper without phasic III
i don't mind playing a TGI with only lvl I stuff

and i don't use them for the team but for me. i can do without, but why would i, i'm enjoying the game a lot more when i'm using some, even lvl I makes a difference (especially AP I on ARs/SMGs)

so in the end, i wouldn't kick you, but have fun wasting two widow/BW shots on those centurions

[megabeast37215]

MuKen wrote...

That is still, averaged over the long run, irrelevant.  You get X consumables per match, then you should be using X consumables per match on average.  If some portion of those are 'undesirables', then that just means that portion of those you use are not that great, but why should that keep you from using them?  You'll just keep that slot empty in some matches, despite that you have an ever growing pile of some "crap" consumable you refuse to ever use?

If you are not using consumables when the other players are, you are hoarding at their expense.

Well said sir...

[iOnlySignIn]

No equipments Gold is exactly how I maxed my URs in under 500 hours. Bravo.

No PUG will complain or kick you if you top score with no equipments. Sometimes they will leave though.

You should be using consumables though. 5 Rockets = 1 Level III Ammo. Using Rockets & Medigels & OPs Packs when needed will give you more credits faster in the long run.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 novembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[najzere]

megabeast37215 wrote...

najzere wrote...
I've never been in a game where everyone was over 100K, so I guess my Gold PUGs are different than yours. In my experience 80K is about par, meaning whoever is in second or third is usually around there.

I am being 100% honest when I say that 100k+ per person is the norm in my games. Usually 100k-160k per person.

Didn't they buff the XP values on Gold/Plat last week anyway? Even more reason 80k doesn't cut it.

I may have to reevaluate what I consider a fair contribution then, as far as points go. I'll start paying better attention to how many points we're earning at the end of matches.

[megabeast37215]

Bolo Xia wrote...

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

maybe not smooth, but the player is risking their equipment, which in turn mean they will most likely care more about winning than those without.

a player without could rage quit at any givin time knowing that they will lose nothing, whereas the player with equipment will most likely not want to waste it.

so i agree that i would rather take the player with equipment, just based on the idea that he will "care" more about winning in my opinion.

More truth....

If said player shows up and puts equipment on, he is showing a commitment to victory and trying... the same cannot be said of the OP who wants to hoard equipment at everyone elses expense.

[najzere]

No argument there, I don't expect my teammates to be able to accurately gauge my commitment in the lobby for our first match.

[megabeast37215]

najzere wrote...

No argument there, I don't expect my teammates to be able to accurately gauge my commitment in the lobby for our first match.

The trend tends to be... they are fine until wave 8... that's when it really hits the fan and they'd rather bleed out than help.

Also... I would say OVER HALF OF PUGS will quit a Gold lobby, if we draw Collectors. That's the other reason I demand equipment from randoms in my games... so they won't quit if we get Collectors.

When they see Collectors... it's like roaches fleeing when you turn a light on...

I keep reading all this crap about "Herp a derp... I HAVE TO ONLY BUY PSPs B/C OF DA RARE CARDS!" This couldn't be further from the truth.

The best value is easily two spectre packs for 120k. You get 10 total rockets/gels/etc. and 6 level 3 consumables... in addition to your precious rare cards. Getting all those level 3 gears for a measly extra 21k... it beyond worth it. The level 3 gear will ensure every match is a future victory. It will also ensure FASTER victory, so you can get 3 Gold games per hour instead of 2... which leads to more credits anyway.

When you buy a PSP... you get 2 level 3 gears... if you don't get a character card. Such a poor value IMO....

Also.. you tend to get more URs when you buy multiple packs.

[megabeast37215]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

There are a lot of factors that contribute to score and the game isn't always fair or even logical in how it doles out points. Someone can still contribute to the team with an average score. Claiming that 80,000 is sub par is an exagerration and doesn't take into account different play styles and team compatability.

 Me thinks you need to get your head out your @ss and stop using your "stud" friends (who comprise a very tiny slice of the ME3 playerbase) as examples of how everyone else should play. Right now you sound like an unreasonable snob who thinks a bit too highly of his gameplay. I'm not sure if you're just joking but if not, I'd have very little interest in playing in any games with you again no matter how often I might have topped your score and held my own. Cheers~

You're right... there are alot of factors that affect score... like medals. If you're getting a bunch of kills, you get alot of medals.. which stack up the XP. Also.. using shield gear increases survivability, which gets Waves Survived medals. Using rockets for killstreaks instead of saving them for "Ohh ****" moments, gets medals which increases XP (and makes the games go by faster, increasing credits per hour). 80,000 is only an exaggeration if map and/or faction have been selected. In an U/U game.. I stand by what I said. Like I said before... you're too easy on them. Your standards are too low IMO.

Why shouldn't I use the best of the best as an example of how people should play? What should we be doing differently? Explain please.

You did top me once... can't deny it. You're just way nicer than me Sue... you tolerate alot more BS than I care to put up with. I cannot stand inefficiency, other players slacking off, people leeching by not using gear, and generally... them placing unfair burdens on others. I won't tolerate it... and I'm not afraid to say so. If I die... and someone has to clutch... I apologize to that person for my poor play putting them in that situation.

I've met 2 people who insisted on not using equipment who were good enough to back it up (top score). Those people were Godless_Paladin and my friend Abbadon. I know they exist... but they are the exception.

[najzere]

megabeast37215 wrote...

najzere wrote...
No argument there, I don't expect my teammates to be able to accurately gauge my commitment in the lobby for our first match.

The trend tends to be... they are fine until wave 8... that's when it really hits the fan and they'd rather bleed out than help.

Also... I would say OVER HALF OF PUGS will quit a Gold lobby, if we draw Collectors. That's the other reason I demand equipment from randoms in my games... so they won't quit if we get Collectors.

When they see Collectors... it's like roaches fleeing when you turn a light on...

I keep reading all this crap about "Herp a derp... I HAVE TO ONLY BUY PSPs B/C OF DA RARE CARDS!" This couldn't be further from the truth.

The best value is easily two spectre packs for 120k. You get 10 total rockets/gels/etc. and 6 level 3 consumables... in addition to your precious rare cards. Getting all those level 3 gears for a measly extra 21k... it beyond worth it. The level 3 gear will ensure every match is a future victory. It will also ensure FASTER victory, so you can get 3 Gold games per hour instead of 2... which leads to more credits anyway.

When you buy a PSP... you get 2 level 3 gears... if you don't get a character card. Such a poor value IMO....

Also.. you tend to get more URs when you buy multiple packs.

I think our PUGs are just very different, maybe because we're on different systems or we play at different times or something. I never see people quit out of matches, Collectors or not.

Also my Gold games don't seem any slower than when I used equipment, they've always been anywhere from 25–30 minutes for me. Lastly, the two-SP buying strategy sounds good if you use equipment, but if you don't it comes down to 49,500 credits per rare card versus 60,000 credits per rare card. Also PSPs are supposed to have an increased chance of URs.

[MuKen]

najzere wrote...

Also my Gold games don't seem any slower than when I used equipment, they've always been anywhere from 25–30 minutes for me.

Of course not, because you're only thinking of the direct value to you of using equipment.  This is exactly why people say not using equipment is a selfish act.

You use equipment, it shaves a couple minutes off the match.  You only saved a couple minutes, so you think "Hey, that didn't do much.  For me."  You're not counting the fact that it also shaved a couple minutes off player 2's match, a couple minutes off player 3's match, and a couple minutes off player 4's match.  Overall time saved across players is very good.  And if you all do it, you all give each other that time savings, it adds up, what would have been a normal match for all of you is now closer to a 20 min match because you are all using equipment.  And you all get more credits per time in the long run.

But if the other three use equipment and you don't, you saved maybe 5 minutes due to their expenditure, and gave nothing back to them.  Good for you.

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Leland Gaunt]

Equipment or kick, that simple.

[megabeast37215]

najzere wrote...

I think our PUGs are just very different, maybe because we're on different systems or we play at different times or something. I never see people quit out of matches, Collectors or not.

Also my Gold games don't seem any slower than when I used equipment, they've always been anywhere from 25–30 minutes for me. Lastly, the two-SP buying strategy sounds good if you use equipment, but if you don't it comes down to 49,500 credits per rare card versus 60,000 credits per rare card. Also PSPs are supposed to have an increased chance of URs.

They quit out on Collectors alot on XBOX... even on Bronze/Silver. When I was doing the challenges, on U/U/B or U/U/S... and we drew Collectors, it was very common for 1-2 players to quit. On Gold.. they will attempt to tough it out if they have their good stuff on... if not, it's an insta-quit.

PSPs don't have an increased chance for UR's... they have 2 Gold Cards, each with the same 5% chance of UR. You can still get those, plus double your rockets/gels and tons of quality equipment for a mear 21k.

25-30 minutes it a long time for a Gold Game... even carrying an anchor or two.

[megabeast37215]

MuKen wrote...
Of course not, because you're only thinking of the direct value to you of using equipment.  This is exactly why people say not using equipment is a selfish act.

You use equipment, it shaves a couple minutes off the match.  You only saved a couple minutes, so you think "Hey, that didn't do much.  For me."  You're not counting the fact that it also shaved a couple minutes off player 2's match, a couple minutes off player 3's match, and a couple minutes off player 4's match.  Overall time saved per player is very good.  And if you all do it, you all give each other that time savings, it adds up, what would have been a normal match for all of you is now closer to a 20 min match because you are all using equipment.  And you all get more credits per time in the long run.

But if the other three use equipment and you don't, you saved maybe 5 minutes due to their expenditure, and gave nothing back to them.

I like this guy... he gets it.

[megabeast37215]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

No, Mega, I have good memory. I've topped your score more than "once" whether it was with Devil or back in spring or summer when we partied up for several games with someone by the name of Les. And I mention this only because you are so caught up in achieving a certain score and using this as a basis to dismiss other players. Otherwise I wouldn't care how I placed.

 As to why it's stupid to compare everyon to a tiny fraction of dedicated players; say you have a group of friends who like to play baseball. They might be decent players but would it be fair to constantly criticize them because they don't play at a professional level? Would that negate a player's one nice triple hit or nice outfield catch? You make it seem like this game is serious business. I suggest you go outside for some more spear fishing and social interaction that extends beyond internet friends jerking each other off.

 As for tolerating more BS, let's just say I have one less smidgen of BS to deal with from here on. :happy:

Probably did back then... I sucked back in the spring, badly. I learned alot from BSNers and Devil, actually tried to get better... and succeeded in that endeavor. It wasn't until I started playing with better people that I even knew how to get better... because playing with people of your own skill level isn't going to allow for much improvment (since you have to figure everything out on your own). Coaching is important IMO...

Your baseball analogy is... ok. There are no professionals in ME3... MLG has no presence here. If a 'non-serious' player does really well... I'm the first one to say good job. I did so yesterday as a matter of fact... I actually left party chat with the "uber-elite guyz"  to tell a Krogan Sentinel with a Crusader that he played very well and rocked the Crusader like a champ. He was a little taken aback by my nice-ness I think. We carried a level 1 Volus Adept with a Typhoon II... and this other guy (Human Engineer I think) who was having a fit because he was a level 1 VA. Myself and the KroSen both score 160k+ and the VA scored 20k, while the guy who was having a fit scored 46k.. LOL. Wiped after wave 10, got paid... if we would've gotten extraction, the team would've hit 450k (with all the bonuses + wave 11 kills). I was more than willing to carry the Volus... why? Because he put on equipment... he showed he was willing to try his best, even if his best was crap. That's all I ask.. 100% effort. Go all in, or go home. We drew Reapers/Condor... alot of players would've quit at the sight of Condor alone... but no one quit. Why? Because they were invested in the match due to the fact that they had level 3 equipment on.

The game isn't serious business... but winning is. I hate losing... alot. Always have, always will... so if I'm dead set on winning everytime, why would I tolerate anyone who isn't giving 100% effort toward winning?

I'd love to do some more spearfishing... can you please figure out how come all the grouper are laying either dead or paralyzed on the bottom? This has happened in my waters, and it's gotten no media coverage/attention of any kind. They have big nasty red rashes on their bodies... and lay there like they're dead. Then when you go touch them... they start shaking their head back and forth... but everything from the pec fins back doesn't move... like they're paralyzed. To make matters worse, NOAA, PETA and SAMFC have deemed it neccesary that we aren't allowed to harvest Red Snapper... even though they've been having a population explosion the last 5 years and are now seen all the way down to Jupiter (where they were almost non-existant before). It's just not worth the 150$+ per trip to go out right now... there's nothing to harvest except Flounder, Sheepshead and Triggerfish.