316 réponses à ce sujet

[DarthVarner]

megabeast37215 wrote...
... 

I keep reading all this crap about "Herp a derp... I HAVE TO ONLY BUY PSPs B/C OF DA RARE CARDS!" This couldn't be further from the truth.

The best value is easily two spectre packs for 120k. You get 10 total rockets/gels/etc. and 6 level 3 consumables... in addition to your precious rare cards. Getting all those level 3 gears for a measly extra 21k... it beyond worth it. The level 3 gear will ensure every match is a future victory. It will also ensure FASTER victory, so you can get 3 Gold games per hour instead of 2... which leads to more credits anyway.

When you buy a PSP... you get 2 level 3 gears... if you don't get a character card. Such a poor value IMO....

Also.. you tend to get more URs when you buy multiple packs.

Untrue on nearly all counts.

If the goal is "moar equip/consumables" then 2 SPs might be justifiable.  However, if the goal is URs, you hamstring yourself massively if you go for SPs.  Consider:

• You pay 21k more for 2x SP vs. 1x PSP, which is close to a 25% premium.
• For said premium, you get HALF the chance for UR drops.

Data culled from many, many player reports has established with very high confidence that the droprate for URs in PSPs is twice as high as SPs PER ROLL (2x rare rolls in PSP, 1x rare roll in SP).  So through your proposed method, you spend over double (250% as much, on average, compared to pure PSPs) for UR drops.  

No thanks.  

Modifié par DarthVarner, 22 novembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[bogsters23]

the thing that annoys me most when playing pug is bleeding out on an objective wave especially wave10.

[megabeast37215]

DarthVarner wrote...

Untrue on nearly all counts.

If the goal is "moar equip/consumables" then 2 SPs might be justifiable.  However, if the goal is URs, you hamstring yourself massively if you go for SPs.  Consider:

• You pay 31k more for 2x SP vs. 1x PSP, which is close to a 33% premium.
• For said premium, you get HALF the chance for UR drops.

Data culled from many, many player reports has established with very high confidence that the droprate for URs in PSPs is twice as high as SPs PER ROLL (2x rare rolls in PSP, 1x rare roll in SP).  So through your proposed method, you spend over double (266% as much, on average, compared to pure PSPs) for UR drops.  

No thanks.  

It's 21k, not 31k. How does 120-99 = 31? Derp...

You're not factoring everything else into the equation. If everyone equips good gear, games end faster, which increases credits per hour... if you're dead set on making credits, you calculate things by credits per hour.

Three 20 minute Gold matches = 247,500 credits per hour

Two 30 minute Gold matches = 165,000 credits per hour

The extra 82,500 ends up making your more credits in the long run... but good luck achieving that speed without using consumables. This is what the other guy in the thread (I forgot his name, the one I agree with a bunch) was saying. You end up netting 40k extra per hour more by using equipment.

As for the PSP vs SP and UR argument... it's all about the Gold cards. Whatever you can do to get more Gold cards. Increasing credits per hour by using gear will get you more Gold cards in the long run. You can't have that kind of speed without using equipment, unless you're speedrunning 12 minute matches (which is far and away the fastest way to make $$$).

[MuKen]

DarthVarner wrote...
Untrue on nearly all counts.

If the goal is "moar equip/consumables" then 2 SPs might be justifiable.  However, if the goal is URs, you hamstring yourself massively if you go for SPs.  Consider:

• You pay 31k more for 2x SP vs. 1x PSP, which is close to a 33% premium.
• For said premium, you get HALF the chance for UR drops.

Data culled from many, many player reports has established with very high confidence that the droprate for URs in PSPs is twice as high as SPs PER ROLL (2x rare rolls in PSP, 1x rare roll in SP).  So through your proposed method, you spend over double (266% as much, on average, compared to pure PSPs) for UR drops.  

No thanks.  

This math is so far off...


First of all, it's 21k more, in otherwords going PSP saves about 1/6 the credits you would have spent.  If the extra consumables of buying 2 SPs can shave a similar proportion of time off your runs (not an unreasonable expectation) it will pay itself off.

Secondly, I don't know which data threads you've been reading, but the one I saw showed the drop rate is twice as high PER PACK, not PER CARD.  In other words, a PSP is about equivalent to two SPs for purposes of getting URs.

Modifié par MuKen, 22 novembre 2012 - 01:03 .

[Tybo]

DarthVarner wrote...

Untrue on nearly all counts.

If the goal is "moar equip/consumables" then 2 SPs might be justifiable.  However, if the goal is URs, you hamstring yourself massively if you go for SPs.  Consider:

• You pay 31k more for 2x SP vs. 1x PSP, which is close to a 33% premium.
• For said premium, you get HALF the chance for UR drops.

Data culled from many, many player reports has established with very high confidence that the droprate for URs in PSPs is twice as high as SPs PER ROLL (2x rare rolls in PSP, 1x rare roll in SP).  So through your proposed method, you spend over double (266% as much, on average, compared to pure PSPs) for UR drops.  

No thanks.  

Actually, according to the thread in question estimating UR drops, the PSP gets approximately twice the chance for a UR per pack, not per roll.  Thus the UR value you get through PSPs instead of SPs is that a SP costs 120000 to get 2 rolls, and a PSP costs 99000 for 2 rolls.  Slightly better, but not nearly as much as you say

[megabeast37215]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Your baseball analogy is... ok. There are no professionals in ME3... MLG has no presence here. If a 'non-serious' player does really well... I'm the first one to say good job. I did so yesterday as a matter of fact... I actually left party chat with the "uber-elite guyz"  to tell a Krogan Sentinel with a Crusader that he played very well and rocked the Crusader like a champ.

Oh how nice. You gave somone a pat on the back. You want a cookie for that? Yes, I know there are no "professional" players in ME3 but the sports argument was there to show how absurd it is to expect everyone to play at the same level which leads to this strange tid bit:

The game isn't serious business... but winning is. I hate losing... alot. Always have, always will... so if I'm dead set on winning everytime, why would I tolerate anyone who isn't giving 100% effort toward winning?

Has it occured to you that someone scoring 80,000--with consummable equipment on--was trying their best and giving 100%?

Don't care to comment any further since this is definite derailment, especially with that pointless fish nonsense you took the time to post.

I don't need anyone to give me a pat on the back except my son (you know... someone who actually matters). Giving people verbal pats on the back is how friends are made.

Scoring 80k with consumables on is fine... they gave it their all. Scoring 80k without consumables isn't, because if they had consumables on... they would've killed more and the game would've ended sooner. They didn't give it their all. 

You're the one who brought up the fishing... I just told you why I haven't been going. So surly today....

Modifié par megabeast37215, 22 novembre 2012 - 01:10 .

[Bolo Xia]

TheJtav wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

TheJtav wrote...

What's with people complaining about not using equipment... all that matters is that the mission is successful and if one does not need equipment to accomplish that then they're fine.

so what if the other 3 have to carry a leecher, is that the same thing as winning and helping out, sure the other 3 could win but they would have had to do all the "work" or more than their fair share.

would you be my partner on a job site if i sit around drinking coffee while you do everything?
remember do not complain while im telling jokes at the water cooler getting paid the same as you.

i am using a job as the example in an extreme case here, i realize that, but just stating that "as long as we win who cares" is just a bad argument to me.

it is your opinion after all and we can choose to disagree all day long, but as all debates go both sides must provide a good argument. neither has to be right but at least formidable.

maybe some people can use a broken hammer to build a house in the same time as a proffesionally equiped worker can, but not everyone can and that is what i see happening here. is maybe the few that cant are trying to jump on the band wagon when their skill does not support it.

when they should just put on the equipment and increase the chances and speed of making those lovely credits.

i have a maxed manifest and i have used consumable and equipment almost every game, may not be lvl 3 every game but i use what i have on hand. even if get low on lvl 1 stuff i spam recruits to refill my consumables and get equipment at the same time.

anyway whether im right or wrong, you decide if you would want me at that job site if i showed up and did nothing all day. 

Me and my harrier x would like a word with you.

so whats your point? i have a harrier X also... but i like putting equipment on and making it basically a harrier 12 or 13, i dunno the exact specs but you get the idea. adds utility to the weapon as well depending on the ammo used on top of a rail amp.

so again... what was the point of your post? because i dont get it. 

[thearbiter1337]

Yes

Please use consumables and stop being such a ego monster

[HiddenInWar]

You cray-cray.

[najzere]

thearbiter1337 wrote...
Yes

Please use consumables and stop being such a ego monster

It doesn't have anything to do with ego, I clearly don't care about topscoring or whatever.

[Krantzstone]

I think the best argument for equipping is that it saves time by making the killing go faster, and the game smoother. In the end, each match is roughly around the +20 min mark for the average player, and if there's anyway to shave time off it, I'm happy to do it. If that means Rocketing through target elimination objectives, I don't mind burning through my missiles to do it. Equipping useless equipment though, I'm not sure is all that helpful. If it's stuff your build isn't even going to use/can't use, might as well leave it empty: if you never use it, presumably you'll eventually max it out and you won't get it anymore in packs. If you keep using equipment you don't use, you'll keep getting it in packs which means you won't be getting the equipment you _do_ use, which would ultimately be more helpful in the long run.

In the end, using equipment will speed up the matches, which means you'll be getting in more matches per hour (or whatever your allotted gaming time is), which is better for you _and_ everyone else. Of course, some people might already have their best weapons maxed out and are so good with their build that equipping Level IVs might be overkill, but doesn't that just speed up the matches too? Not to mention if for whatever reason the match suddenly and inexplicably gets harder than usual (people screwing up spawns, lag, etc.), that equipment will sure come in handy, and may even make it so you require fewer uses of your in-game consumables.

[najzere]

Final post before I go home, thought I'd put up the results of the poll (out of 280 votes): 65% say I'm a bad, bad man, 35% say s'allright.

Well it was an interesting topic anyway, I think I'll stop actively avoiding putting on equipment if I have it, but I still won't be buying any JEPs to keep myself stocked. Thanks for your input everyone!

[Hejdun]

I'll be honest, I don't see putting on equipment on Gold as a huge priority. I've been playing U/U/G long enough that most games I'm easily top of the scoreboard anyways, so I feel like I'm already pulling more than my weight without them. Secondly, on non-weapon classes equipment just isn't that valuable. Adepts gain almost nothing from all equipment -- we're talking about 300 shields, 0.1s faster cooldowns, or maybe 5% more net power damage. I'd rather save my (admittedly numerous) equipment for when I'm playing a class that will actually benefit from them.

If you're confident in your ability to pull your weight (and then some) in a game without equipment, then I don't have any problem with you going without. I don't ever votekick someone for not using equipment, although I will if I have serious doubts about their ability to not be a liability.

Not using consumables is a grayer area for me. I refuse to medigel on waves 1, 2, or 4, since I reason that if the team can't win without me on easy rounds, there's no way I can carry them to extraction. I always use consumables (if necessary) on money rounds, and anyone who doesn't I will vote kick when the game is over.

[lightswitch]

najzere wrote...

POLL: Am I a bad person?

So I'm pretty much just interested in maxing my rares right now, and since I've finally gotten to the level where I don't really need  consumables to compete on Gold, I've stopped using them. You can see in my manifest that I hardly have any, and the reason is I only buy PSPs. I'm saving my limited supply for times when I need to boost a character/weapon I'm using for challenges, but otherwise I only put on gear for Gold matches.

There have been some threads recently about this, but I wanted to see some numbers so here's a poll. I have a bunch of excuses and rationalizations, but really it's just selfishness as I can't make myself spend money on JEPs when those 33,000 credits could be going toward a PSP. So I apologize to anyone who plays with me! By the way, I haven't had a kick vote put on me yet for doing this, so perhaps that's tacit agreement of my actions?

I don't care as long as you're not dying and you're killing things. That is all.

[LePetitRobot]

najzere wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...
If I'm in a Gold lobby with friends and you drop in showing your 485 challenge points, rocking your Piranha V or Harrier I, and ready up with no consumables - our assumption is not going to be "hey, this guy looks like an awesome player, we're guaranteed a smooth match here".

So 485 challenge points with Harrier I but using consumables sounds like an awesome player that will provide you with a smooth match? LOL

No.

[darkpassenger2342]

no equipment on gold = /kickvote.
the end

[Grotaiche]

Honestly, if I see someone in a Gold PUG with 485 challenge points and not using any equipment, I will either kickvote or leave the lobby. Using consumables means "OK, I might not be a great player but I'll do my best to contribute". This is a co-op game, people who contribute are helpful and not frowned upon.

Also, to me, the whole "I want to focus on maxing my rares instead of spending money into consumable equipment" mentality basically means "I don't care about you guys and I'm not spending money to win this game".

You don't have many consumables ? Well, I can see you have enough to play quite a few games. Switch builds so you can use different ones ; when I lack SMG Amps, I switch from my TGI + Hurricane build to Turian Sentinel or Asari Vanguard with Talon, or to my melee Kroguard or to my Asari Valkyrie with Reegar. You have 13 Stabilization mods and 18 SMG Amps II and III, go play that Hurricane III you have. Use shotguns (you have a Claymore VI, Piranha V and Eviscerator X, all are usable on Gold with the appropriate classes).

[HusarX]

[X]

[Liamv2]

[Chevyboy88]

Hold on, this game has consumables?

[Heldarion]

I don't pug often these days, but most of the time I don't exactly feel like playing with people who are too stingy to equip their stuff (even the non-consumables!!!). I'll just switch the lobby and carry someone who actually pretends to give a damn.

[HolyAvenger]

I have so many useless consumables (Explosive Rounds, Cryo Ammo etc) that I'll stick em on in gold for the lulz.

No cylonic mods or any of the good stuff thugh.

[N7 Cmdr. John]

Max out your commons and uncommons first using recruit and vetern packs and you'll have plenty of level 1 and 2 equipment have use. There is no excuse to not use at least lvl 1 equipment, even if it's only soemthing like cryo ammo, adren, stabilization, or even a strength mod. Always put something on.

[N7 Cmdr. John]

Liamv2 wrote...

http://i191.photobuc...onDawn/kick.jpg
http://i191.photobuc...onDawn/kick.jpg
http://i191.photobuc...onDawn/kick.jpg
http://i191.photobuc...onDawn/kick.jpg

Too bad this doesn't happen everytime there is a leech in the lobby... ><