110 réponses à ce sujet

[Aynien]

This is one of the things that irked me most when playing DA2, sometimes, being nice with someone on your party, would result in flagging it on a romance, but it wasn't my intention when doing it. Sometimes it even started multiples romances, wich usually resulted me being locked out of the one I wanted. This is a pain for those who want to rp a "kind person" that try to help/confort everyone. I don't want to sleep everyone dammit, I just wanna chat.

I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

[Patchwork]

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances. Leliana in particular, you think your having a girly chat about shoes, hair and her ex and suddenly she's accusing you of cheating on her with Zevran.

[Blackrising]

Ser Bard wrote...

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances. Leliana in particular, you think your having a girly chat about shoes, hair and her ex and suddenly she's accusing you of cheating on her with Zevran.

Pretty much this.
Hell, even after my male Warden told her that she misunderstood and that he only valued her as a friend, she got all huffy and 'broke up' with him when he decided to marry Anora. Girl, you can't break up with me. We aren't even together!
(May be a bug, but still failed pretty hard...)

DA2 never had that. The heart icon was pretty obvious.

That said, I still prefer the DA:O approach. I actually find it funny and interesting to be 'ninjamanced'. If you're really nice to someone in real life, they may end up taking it the wrong way too. And that's fine as long as you get the opportunity to tell them that you really didn't mean it like that.
(But that Leliana thing still bugged me. It felt like she was a crazy psycho that lives in her own dreamworld where the Warden was actually into her. Very creepy.)

[llandwynwyn]

Isabela doesn't count because that's what she does, so the only person that flirted with my Hawke just because she was nice was Anders.

Oh, wait...Fenris once flirted with my aggressive Hawke after completing his first mission but I don't know what I did to make it happen. It surprised me because I thought you had to flirt with him first.

It can be annoying sometimes but it's not a big deal.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:11 .

[Annie_Dear]

Blackrising wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances. Leliana in particular, you think your having a girly chat about shoes, hair and her ex and suddenly she's accusing you of cheating on her with Zevran.

Pretty much this.
Hell, even after my male Warden told her that she misunderstood and that he only valued her as a friend, she got all huffy and 'broke up' with him when he decided to marry Anora. Girl, you can't break up with me. We aren't even together!
(May be a bug, but still failed pretty hard...)

Leliana breaking up with you because of marrying Anora without romancing her is a bug. It happened to my friend who had a +5 relationship with her.

DA2 never had that. The heart icon was pretty obvious.

Perhaps, but it had it's own problems. Like when Anders flirts with you you can eihter::

1, flirt back

or 2, tell him to back off in a really angry way which gives you renegade rivalry points. At least in Orgins I could tell Zevran I was flattered, but not interested.

[AshenShug4r]

Yeah, I got this problem with Fenris and Anders.

[Wulfram]

Blackrising wrote...

That said, I still prefer the DA:O approach. I actually find it funny and interesting to be 'ninjamanced'. If you're really nice to someone in real life, they may end up taking it the wrong way too. And that's fine as long as you get the opportunity to tell them that you really didn't mean it like that.
(But that Leliana thing still bugged me. It felt like she was a crazy psycho that lives in her own dreamworld where the Warden was actually into her. Very creepy.)

The problem with the Leliana ninjamance was that it's likely to happen quite late in the game when you've got lots of approval, so it jumps straight to assuming you're a definite couple.

Early ninjamances worked well, because then you tended to get a hesitant approach from the other character and the ability to clarify the situation politely.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Ser Bard wrote...

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances. Leliana in particular, you think your having a girly chat about shoes, hair and her ex and suddenly she's accusing you of cheating on her with Zevran.

This happened to me on my latest playthrough. I was romancing Morrigan and all Leliana tells me she has feelings for me. So I think no big and let her down gently. Than towards the end of the game she starts accusing me of cheating on her and all I can think is, "WE ARE'T EVEN GOING OUT!!!" So I had to tell her no again.

Never had problems with Ninjamance in DA2 although I would like it if someone did come on to me and I turned them down they didn't take as I am hate them *cough* Anders *cough*. What would make sense is if there is already an good relationship between you and another companion they aren't as hurt as hey would be if you turn them down. However if they don't really care for you oryour in a rivalry where they are trying to one up you all the time they take it a little harder as opposed to if you in a friendship with them.

I would like in DA3 if some romances could be more challenging. Such as at first say I come on to them via flirting and express my feelings for the character but at first they turn me down because they don't fell the same. But as you talk with them more and maybe do things for them, companion quests, they start to get feelings for your character as well. At the point they tell you this you can either choose to say no because they hurt your feelings or you an say yes I love even if you broke my heart, Or for those who don't wanna get mushy they can just say something along the lines of, "Lets do it baby." Obviously it doesn't have to be like that but you get the idea.

The main thing that I, as well as other people want is more realistic romances that don't end after the sex scene.

[fchopin]

Aynien wrote...
I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

In Bioware games if you are extra nice to someone then you have to sleep with them.

[Liamv2]

fchopin wrote...

Aynien wrote...
I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

In Bioware games if you are extra nice to someone then you have to sleep with them.

This

[Herr Uhl]

fchopin wrote...

Aynien wrote...
I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

In Bioware games if you are extra nice to someone then you have to sleep with them.

Well, a lot of people seem to think that people should sleep with them because they're nice.

Anyways, I don't have a huge problem with it, as people misinterpreting your intent while being nice is normal. Especially if they're attracted to you (which I assume romancable companions are).

[Wolfspawn]

fchopin wrote...

Aynien wrote...

I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

In Bioware games if you are extra nice to someone then you have to sleep with them.

In REAL LIFE if you're extra nice to someone you have to sleep with them. It's true.

[Nefla]

I once got Leliana saying I cheated on her in a playthrough where I never talked to or quested with her lol. I prefer the DA:O method of getting to know the character and they may reject you at first or they may try to instigate a romance if they like you enough. I actually prefer Alistair's romance when you let him make all the first moves on you XD In DA2 if you don't constantly mash that flirt button no romance for you. It felt forced.


Oh and irl a guy once decided we needed to have sex because I had been nice to him and sort of consoled him about his girlfriend breaking up with him but I am usually nice to everyone.

Modifié par Nefla, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Kidd]

RainbowPuppy wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances. Leliana in particular, you think your having a girly chat about shoes, hair and her ex and suddenly she's accusing you of cheating on her with Zevran.

Poor Leliana. Her dialogue was really bugged. Though I think her ninjamance can be easily avoided, so long as you tell her that she is a good friend during the hair conversation and never bring up Marjolaine after her personal quest is done.

Yeah, that Marjolaine dialogue is really dangerous. Apparently she thinks you caring about her past and consoling her for her lost love (whom she just killed) means you two are totally an item. Doubt that dialogue was working as intended x)

Nefla wrote...

Oh and irl a guy once decided we needed to have sex because I had been nice to him and sort of consoled him about his girlfriend breaking up with him but I am usually nice to everyone.

There's Lelianas IRL? Urgh! Please tell me he understood what 'no' meant pretty soon?

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[Patchwork]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I would like in DA3 if some romances could be more challenging. Such as at first say I come on to them via flirting and express my feelings for the character but at first they turn me down because they don't fell the same. But as you talk with them more and maybe do things for them, companion quests, they start to get feelings for your character as well. At the point they tell you this you can either choose to say no because they hurt your feelings or you an say yes I love even if you broke my heart, Or for those who don't wanna get mushy they can just say something along the lines of, "Lets do it baby." Obviously it doesn't have to be like that but you get the idea.

The main thing that I, as well as other people want is more realistic romances that don't end after the sex scene.

Something like this would have worked quite well with MageHawke/Fenris regardless of the F/R metre but it's not something I'd like for most relationships. An npc being in love with the pc no matter what is also an approach I like as long as it's treated more like Anders' quiet interest than Liara's.

I had high approval with Leliana and did her quest late in the game so the ninjamance was very odd. Apparently I had lied to her about Zevran but the only conversation irc we had about him she complimented me on my taste.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Ser Bard wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I would like in DA3 if some romances could be more challenging. Such as at first say I come on to them via flirting and express my feelings for the character but at first they turn me down because they don't fell the same. But as you talk with them more and maybe do things for them, companion quests, they start to get feelings for your character as well. At the point they tell you this you can either choose to say no because they hurt your feelings or you an say yes I love even if you broke my heart, Or for those who don't wanna get mushy they can just say something along the lines of, "Lets do it baby." Obviously it doesn't have to be like that but you get the idea.

The main thing that I, as well as other people want is more realistic romances that don't end after the sex scene.

Something like this would have worked quite well with MageHawke/Fenris regardless of the F/R metre but it's not something I'd like for most relationships. An npc being in love with the pc no matter what is also an approach I like as long as it's treated more like Anders' quiet interest than Liara's.

I had high approval with Leliana and did her quest late in the game so the ninjamance was very odd. Apparently I had lied to her about Zevran but the only conversation irc we had about him she complimented me on my taste.

I agree. I was only suggesting for some romances. Maybe like 1 or 2 it should be a bit challenging. It doesn't even have to be the way I suggested.

About Leliana, yeah that was bad. First time she said she liked me I told her there was someone else and than she tells me later I am cheating on her. I never gave any indication that I wanted to be more than friends with Leliana. Say what you want about DA2 but it never had a problem in this regrad. Only problem was if you turned them down it came across as mean.

[Aynien]

RainbowPuppy wrote...

Did you choose any of the dialogue
options with a heart indicator? The romances shouldn't get activated if
you don't do that.

That's the point, sometimes, when you are chating with someone, the only options you have is the heart or the fist. There's no friendly no like, "I'm sorry you misunderstood me.." where you can still be nice and no sleep with him/her...it's either "hey let's cuddle!!" or "GTFO"

Modifié par Aynien, 22 novembre 2012 - 03:23 .

[Sejborg]

bob_20000 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Aynien wrote...

I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

In Bioware games if you are extra nice to someone then you have to sleep with them.

In REAL LIFE if you're extra nice to someone you have to sleep with them. It's true.

Being extra nice to someone IS sleeping with them! - hence the "extra". 

[Harle Cerulean]

I do understand a bit of what the OP means - they'd like the ability to be nice to friends without romancing them. It's not necessarily about ninja romancing, it's about "Why is this option romantic?"

My biggest example of this is teaching Fenris to read. A good friend would make that offer. Hell, someone who might not even consider him that good of a friend, but who feels it's a valuable skill might want to teach him. But it has a heart option, and flags the romance. Which I had no real problems with because Fenris is my preferred LI, but my brother-in-law, who wanted to romance Isabela, was very frustrated because he couldn't help Fenris without starting the romance.

Situations like that would be best avoided, I think? Romances shouldn't be the only way to help a friend.

[schalafi]

I romanced Anders and rarely used the heart symbol. you can romance him just with dialogue as long as it's not mean or aggressive.
With Fenrus you have to avoid the heart symbols and keep the conversation impersonal, just listening to his story.

[frostajulie]

I agree it really irked me in DA2 how often the only way not to flirt with someone was to be disinterested or mean. Sometimes those flirt options are exactly what you want to say but without the flirting the teaching Fenris to read is a prime example. It was extremely frustrating. Also having to always choose the heart icon to keep the romance going did make the romances feel shallow and contrived.

[PsychoBlonde]

Blackrising wrote...

That said, I still prefer the DA:O approach. I actually find it funny and interesting to be 'ninjamanced'.

It can be interesting.  One thing I definitely didn't like about the DA2 approach was that they sprung the flirt options on you WAY too soon, right after you'd just met somebody, and they were DREADFULLY cheesy.  Yet I still picked them on my first couple playthroughs because I thought you wouldn't be able to romance them if you didn't.

Kind of a paradox--the icons make it clear that HERE IS THE FLIRT OPTION but don't make it any clearer what you should/shouldn't do to pursue a romance.  Granted, this is probably a *feature*, not a problem, it's just that I misinterpreted it as "you must collect all the <3's to advance.  That's on me, not on Bioware, though.

I had also problems about always picking the purple options (or the red options, or the blue options) because I wanted to see the special stuff you could get from having a certain dominant personality, and I was never sure what the game was currently considering to be my dominant tone.  I think it would have been better for me if your current tone was determined solely by your tone choices in the current conversation.  

Not sure that'd help everybody, but it's a thought, anyway.

[Plaintiff]

I find it interesting that people think Hawke's rejection of Anders was "too mean". Considering that being rejected inherently sucks, I think Hawkes of both genders handle it pretty tactfully.

But I've seen straight men IRL say that they would get violent if a gay man expressed an interest in them, so maybe my perspective is skewed.