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[Ianamus]

The only issue I ever really took with the infamous Anders conversation was that the only options seemed to boil down to accepting his advances and expressing interest or going "eww gay". Since anyone who wanted to romance Fenris as male Hawke would likely reject Anders it seemed very strange that it was worded the way it was. But then I can't remember exactly what Hawke said.

[Foolsfolly]

Aynien wrote...

This is one of the things that irked me most when playing DA2, sometimes, being nice with someone on your party, would result in flagging it on a romance, but it wasn't my intention when doing it. Sometimes it even started multiples romances, wich usually resulted me being locked out of the one I wanted. This is a pain for those who want to rp a "kind person" that try to help/confort everyone. I don't want to sleep everyone dammit, I just wanna chat.

I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

You can in DA2.

You choose whether or not to pursue a romance. You choose whether or not to be nice to someone. But is it so outlandish to believe that being nice to someone would led that person to showing interest? It's still up to you if anything comes of it. It's not like there's a default romance you have no choice to have like say Witcher 2 or Zelda or something.

[Taint Master]

thats1evildude wrote...

If you just want to be nice, then pick the diplomatic options.

Jesus, why do people have a problem with this? Was the large heart icon not glaringly obvious? Should it be changed to an icon of two stick figures humping to remove any ambiguity?

I second this post.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

DA2 actually didn't have a problem with ninjamancing. Actually it is easy to avoid a romance if one is not wanted since flirting is more or less required for the romance to start. The main problem I think with DA2 in the romance aspect was that if you turned someone down they automatically got all sensitive and would get extremely upset.

In the Anders situation he shouldn't react so badly if he just meets Hawke a little while ago and gets turned down. Sure he would be dissapointed but not outright angry with you. If he had known Hawke for a while and than announced his feelings and got turned down he still shoul not be angry so much as upset. Isabela is really the only one I romanced but I know from looking online, among other things, that it wasn't hard to avoid a romance in DA2.

Origins is another story entirely. Leliana told me I was cheating on her even though I told her twice there as somebody else. I have faith that the devs will do better in making sure that if we want to be friends with peple we can just be friends and not get cojoled into a romance we didn't intend. I remember back before ME2 came out I replayed 1 to get ready for it and I was gonna use that playthrough to import so I go to the end of the game and all the sudden Liara is my romance and not Ashley? I was trying to get the insanity achievement so I pushed through anyway.

Otherwise out of all the problem with DA2, ninjamances, at least to me, weren't a problem.

[thats1evildude]

Annie_Dear wrote...

I did pick the diplomatic options.

This lead Anders to flirt with me and Bioware didn't give me an option to turn him down gently. Just two glowing hearts and a broken heart.

As Plaintiff said, the broken heart IS the option to turn him down gently.

[deuce985]

I think what your problem was(and I'm just guessing) is the icons.

I believe Bioware can do a much better job at just describing what each icon means. Some icons didn't make sense to me what they were representing. Some of the icons on the dialogue wheel end up being confusing my first time through the game. Ideally, I'd just like the box by the phrase to tell me what it will do. Write "aggressive" in there instead of putting a red hammer...although, I think I read David comment on this and say it's not possible.

Also, the color sequences with each icon is helpful but some people are color blind Bioware...just fyi...

Modifié par deuce985, 23 novembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[Allan Schumacher]

In the Anders situation he shouldn't react so badly if he just meets Hawke a little while ago and gets turned down. Sure he would be dissapointed but not outright angry with you.

This is the problem with numerical abstractions. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Anders' line "I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It won't happen again?" That doesn't strike me as angry.

He gets 10 rivalry. Is 10 rivalry "angry?" It's certainly not permanent though.

[Dave of Canada]

Letting someone down always causes them to be bitter, it's something which happens but it doesn't mean the friendship is impossible. I mean, had Anders been angry at you then he'd do more than give ten rivalry but that's a drop in the bucket.

It would be far more unrealistic if you turned someone down and they shrugged and moved on like nothing happened.

[thats1evildude]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

This is the problem with numerical abstractions. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Anders' line "I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It won't happen again?" That doesn't strike me as angry.

He gets 10 rivalry. Is 10 rivalry "angry?" It's certainly not permanent though.

He gets a bit grumpy when you shoot him down. I wouldn't call it anger. Anger would involve glowing blue eyes and him trying to yank your head off.

Still, the 10 rivalry points are easy to overcome. I think I had Anders at full friendship by the middle of Act 2 even with that hit.

[Sharn01]

BouncyFrag wrote...

DA2 companions were a bit overeager to jump your bones and did feel a bit shallow.

Yeah, because three years is the standard dating period before people have sex, except in my experiance its usually a week or two.

[snackrat]

That's one thing that bothered me in Dragon Age: Origins. When Alis was all a-dither about keeping his bloodline secretly, because he was worried the Warden would either resent him or suck up to him. "Like me for who I am", he said. Well, when my Warden said she did, his response seemed oddly... tender. Checked the bar and yep whoops that was a flirt.

[greghorvath]

"extra nice"
usually ends in allemony in real life too... be careful

Modifié par greghorvath, 23 novembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[BouncyFrag]

Sharn01 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

DA2 companions were a bit overeager to jump your bones and did feel a bit shallow.

Yeah, because three years is the standard dating period before people have sex, except in my experiance its usually a week or two.

You do have a point there. Better put, the whole Anders thing left a bad impression that never went away. Disliking most of the DA2 companions didn't help either and I should have phrased it as such.

[NRieh]

Never had that problem with DA2 but DAO was terrible for ninja romances.

Yep. Barely escaped Leliana hair talks twice and was ninja-Alistaired by picking "you may try that line on me" (where "that line" is Duncan's "you'll see" as an answer about changes on becoming a Warden). And noticed change of affection bar too late to reload, when I heared totally unexpected "Yeeeees?" on clicking him as he gained 50+ affection. 8P

And in DA2 all the intentions of my Hawke were clear, same as companion's reactions.

[pmac_tk421]

Yeah, I agree with the OP. Damn it Anders, I want to be your friend. Just because I'm nice to you doesn't mean I want to satisfy a demand of your Qun. And the rejection is always mean. Can't there be a nice let down?

[Babaganoosh013]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In the Anders situation he shouldn't react so badly if he just meets Hawke a little while ago and gets turned down. Sure he would be dissapointed but not outright angry with you.

This is the problem with numerical abstractions. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Anders' line "I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It won't happen again?" That doesn't strike me as angry.

He gets 10 rivalry. Is 10 rivalry "angry?" It's certainly not permanent though.

I don't get why there would be a "rivalry" for that, or for any s/s (or opposite for homosexual pc's) flirting initiation by any NPC. A non-rivalry "I don't roll that way" should suffice without hurting the NPC's feelings towards you. Maybe give an option to hurt their feelings as well, but I would hope that a NPC would be emotionally stable enough to handle someone rejecting based on what their happy bits are, instead of something about them personally.

[Iakus]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In the Anders situation he shouldn't react so badly if he just meets Hawke a little while ago and gets turned down. Sure he would be dissapointed but not outright angry with you.

This is the problem with numerical abstractions. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Anders' line "I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It won't happen again?" That doesn't strike me as angry.

He gets 10 rivalry. Is 10 rivalry "angry?" It's certainly not permanent though.

It's as much rivalry as you get for handing Ketojan over to the qunari.

[Allan Schumacher]

Babaganoosh013 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In the Anders situation he shouldn't react so badly if he just meets Hawke a little while ago and gets turned down. Sure he would be dissapointed but not outright angry with you.

This is the problem with numerical abstractions. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Anders' line "I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It won't happen again?" That doesn't strike me as angry.

He gets 10 rivalry. Is 10 rivalry "angry?" It's certainly not permanent though.

I don't get why there would be a "rivalry" for that, or for any s/s (or opposite for homosexual pc's) flirting initiation by any NPC. A non-rivalry "I don't roll that way" should suffice without hurting the NPC's feelings towards you.

You get the rivalry regardless of whether or not the PC is male or female.  It has nothing to do with homosexual or heterosexual behaviour.

Maybe give an option to hurt their feelings as well, but I would hope
that a NPC would be emotionally stable enough to handle someone
rejecting based on what their happy bits are, instead of something about
them personally.

It's nice to hope that an NPC is emotionally stable enough to not be offended, but why must that be the case?  This IS Anders we're talking about here.  And I think he is able to get over it pretty quickly.  He made a play, you said no.  He feels sheepish and embarrassed and it stings a bit.

[esper]

Rojahar wrote...

Sometimes you dont flirt with someone, but just act nicely, and they develop feelings for you. Sometimes you reject someone, and no matter how nicely you try to do so, they dont like it or take it poorly. If anything, I wish the games would build upon the idea of unrequited love plotlines, instead of just rejecting someone, getting -5 approval, and then nobody ever acknowledging there were any feelings of romance from anyone (granted, those happen IRL too).

In fact in real life, if some one is romatically/sexually interested in you it might be impossible to have a platonic friendship with them and you have to choose between being with them or not having them in your life at all.

If ten rivalry points are the worst offender, yet, then we are having it easy with unwanted advances in dragon age.

[Pelle6666]

Never pressed the heart indicator when I talked to Anders or Fenris, still they both started hitting on Hawk (male)... Damn it guys, get it off with each other instead!

[Fast Jimmy]

iakus wrote...

It's as much rivalry as you get for handing Ketojan over to the qunari.

Is that legit? Wow. That is a bit of a numerical inconsistency. 

[Iakus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

iakus wrote...

It's as much rivalry as you get for handing Ketojan over to the qunari.

Is that legit? Wow. That is a bit of a numerical inconsistency. 

Yup:

Shepherding Wolves


Choice 1: Hand Ketojan over to be killed.

• Anders: rivalry (+10)

Anders apparently gets roughly as p*ssed at Hawke for handing a saarebas over to be executed as being shot down for making a play at Hawke

[Nightdragon8]

Aynien wrote...

This is one of the things that irked me most when playing DA2, sometimes, being nice with someone on your party, would result in flagging it on a romance, but it wasn't my intention when doing it. Sometimes it even started multiples romances, wich usually resulted me being locked out of the one I wanted. This is a pain for those who want to rp a "kind person" that try to help/confort everyone. I don't want to sleep everyone dammit, I just wanna chat.

I hope that, in DA3 you can be, you know, just nice without pursuing a romance.

this doesn't make sense, considering the Heart thing was pretty much a flirt option which means that you are giving hints you are intrested it in it... and its not like its a ninjamance thing.

so you can still be nice yet not trigger any flags.