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MorningBird

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Okay, so, The other day I was wondering: how old are each of the characters in game at the time the Blight takes place?  I have my own judgments, of course, but they're based off nothing more than appearance.  I was hoping someone with greater knowledge of the game's various timelines, books, etc...--could help me out.

So far, I've guessed:

PC: between 25 and 35-years-old
Alistair: between 30 and 32-years-old
Morrigan: between 25 and 30-years-old
Lelianna: between 20 and 35-years-old
Zevran: between 25 and 35-years-old
Sten: between 35 and 45-years-old
Oghren: between 45 and 50-years-old
Wynne: between 60 and 70-years-old
Loghain: between 50 and 55-years-old
Dog: between 3 and 4-years-old

King Maric: died at the age of 45
King Cailan: between 25 and 27-years-old
Anora: between 24 and 25-years-old

Eamon: between 45 and 47-years-old
Teagan: between 45 and 47-years-old

Thoughts?  Other guesstimates?

PS: feel free to add more characters to this list, if you so desire. :P

Modifié par MorningBird, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:01 .


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You're probably not far off, although Sten is impossible to tell since we don't have a comparison point.



I'd put both Leliana and the PC between 20 and 25, probably, but otherwise I think you're about right.

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add couple hundred for zevran, since elf can live like.. uhm.. well many hundred years, it were something like 600 - 700 for elfs (just atm i cant remember correct what used to be age limit for elf's in fantasy stories) and for dwarfs, they live fairly long too, up to around 200-300 ..

and yeah, about Qunari, hard to say, not much told about their history wich is little disapointing since they are "new race" in fantasy genre i think

Modifié par Zurdo99, 04 janvier 2010 - 06:15 .


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Well considering you can make your PC look like a spring chicken or a wrinkly old fart, the PC could be anywhere from 20-80. Older PCs probably won't die of the taint...lucky bastards.



In timeline terms, The Dragon Age started 30 years before the present so there's 70 years left...our Warden will not see the end of this Age.

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Mummolus wrote...

You're probably not far off, although Sten is impossible to tell since we don't have a comparison point.

I'd put both Leliana and the PC between 20 and 25, probably, but otherwise I think you're about right.


Sten in CGI video of Sacred urn = 25 years old. Sten in Dragon age origin 45 years old.

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Zurdo99 wrote...

add couple hundred for zevran, since elf can live like.. uhm.. well many hundred years it were something like 600 - 700 for elfs (just atm i cant remember correct what used to be age limit for elf's in fantasy stories) and for dwarfs, they live fairly long too, up to around 200-300 ..


Really?  I thought city elves were different because of the 'quickening' they recieved living among humans?  Zevran was raised in Antiva City, so I assumed he aged at at similar rate to the other characters... xD

Also, good point about Sten.  The man can already survive in a cage without food for several weeks.  Lord only knows how long he'd live WITH a steady income of meals... x_x

Modifié par MorningBird, 04 janvier 2010 - 06:19 .


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Elves in the Dragon Age universe live similar lifespans to humans, with city elves tending to die slightly younger (due to poor conditions) and Dalish tending to live slightly longer (due to their natural aging being slower). I don't think we're told about how long dwarves can live, at least not directly - there might be some timeline info somewhere in the codices which can be used to get a rough idea. It would be foolhardy to assume it's significantly different from the other races based on other fantasy material, however.

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Mummolus wrote...

Elves in the Dragon Age universe live similar lifespans to humans, with city elves tending to die slightly younger (due to poor conditions) and Dalish tending to live slightly longer (due to their natural aging being slower). I don't think we're told about how long dwarves can live, at least not directly - there might be some timeline info somewhere in the codices which can be used to get a rough idea. It would be foolhardy to assume it's significantly different from the other races based on other fantasy material, however.


yeah, gotta check out about elf keepers in codex and wiki, might be some information there, maybe something about dwarfs pops up too

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The elves in Thedas believe they used to live indefinitely, and the lifespans of the Dalish being longer than those of the city elves is taken by them as evidence of this belief. Zathrian was taken as further evidence of said belief, but he wasn't being entirely honest about his longevity, to say the least.

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MorningBird wrote...
Also, good point about Sten.  The man can already survive in a cage without food for several weeks.  Lord only knows how long he'd live WITH a steady income of meals... x_x


He was probably a fat bastard, and the cage was like a forced diet :)

I'd put the human PC as the youngest of the origins, perhaps low 20's.

Modifié par Stuffy38, 04 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .


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Well, a regular human can go for three weeks or so without eating without any permanent damage, though it wouldn't be pleasant and there would be severe weight loss.

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Yeah its lack of water that'll kill you long before lack of food.

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In the Human Noble origin you are constantly referred to as "Pup" which is what you would call a kid not a 35 year old (who would be either hound or ****)

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Yeah its lack of water that'll kill you long before lack of food.


Indeed - you can apply the rule of three, really. All vary slightly from individual to individual, but on the whole:

Three minutes without air.
Three days without water.
Three weeks without food.

Modifié par Mummolus, 04 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .


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AntiChri5 wrote...

In the Human Noble origin you are constantly referred to as "Pup" which is what you would call a kid not a 35 year old (who would be either hound or ****)


I see your point, but it's the Human Noble's family who refer to them as such, not all of Highever.  I'm past 20 in years, and my parents still use my embarrassing nicknames, and they'll probably continue to do so until I'm well past 30.

Fergus is old enough to have a son who looks to be around 7 in age, so I'd say he's somewhere between 35 and 40.  The PC doesn't seem to be that much younger than his/her older brother.

Plus, while Brice and Fergus are away, the PC is the one they leave behind in charge of the castle.  That's a lot of responsibility to stack on someone who is only 20 years in age.  You're still 'wet behind the ears' at that point.

25-35 seems... fair for a PC of any origin.

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I see Lelianna as being in her late twenties-early thirties, Alistair as being in his late twenties, Morrigan as somewhat younger (assuming she ages normally), around 24-26ish, and the player character as being somewhat younger than the rest--early twenties, based on the way his/her family behaves and speaks. The whole 'but I want to stay and talk', 'why can't I go too' seemed to indicate youth to me. Also, this person isn't much known outside of home and hasn't been to war. All this says very young to me.

It's hard to say with the rest. Elves, dwarves and mages might not age in the same time frame as everyone else.

Dog is about 3 or 4. ;)

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errant_knight wrote...

I see Lelianna as being in her late twenties-early thirties, Alistair as being in his late twenties, Morrigan as somewhat younger (assuming she ages normally), around 24-26ish, and the player character as being somewhat younger than the rest--early twenties, based on the way his/her family behaves and speaks. It's hard to say with the rest. Elves, dwarves and mages might not age in the same time frame as everyone else.

Dog is about 3 or 4. ;)


Oh, the dog!  I forgot all about him!  *fixes*

And I've changed Lelianna's age guesstimates because I agree, she's got a... younger face.  I still think Morrigan is late 20's early 30's though. xD

Modifié par MorningBird, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:15 .


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MorningBird wrote...
PC: between 25 and 35-years-old
Alistair: between 25 and 35-years-old
Morrigan: between 25 and 35-years-old
Lelianna: between 20 and 30-years-old
Zevran: between 25 and 35-years-old
Sten: between 35 and 45-years-old
Oghren: between 35 and 45-years-old
Wynne: between 60 and 70-years-old
Loghain: between 50 and 60-years-old

Thoughts?  Other guesstimates?

PS: feel free to add more characters to this list, if you so desire. :P

The PC is...the PC, you can make him/her be of any age you want. :)
I'll try to make my 'guesstimates' with the novels having in mind  (The Stolen Throne set approximately 30 years before the events of Origins, The Calling after ~11 years after TST; we could 'play' with a few years here and there but that makes little difference). Not sure they followed that timeline very strictly, though. 

With that in mind,  Alistair can't be older than, say, 18-20 years. 
Morrigan probably less than 30.
Considering that dwarves in Thedas live somewhat longer than humans, Oghren is probably 45+, but not by much.
The rest of your guesses seems to be all right, with Loghain being ~52-53 years old.

King Cailan is around 25-27, and Maric died at the age of ~45.
Anora is probably 24-25, though i'm not sure if i remember correctly or if it's been said at all (if she was born later than Cailan and if so, by how much).

More interesting is the age of Eamon and Teagan. For one, they should be closer to each other, and they are supposed to be more of the age of Teagan, around 45-47. In all cases, they are younger than Loghain, by 5-7 years. (During the events of TST, they are around 15-17 years old). Teagan seems to be all right in Origins but Eamon is made significantly older than he is supposed to be; we may consider this to be the 'side-effect' of poison/long-time illness, though.

Modifié par smore006, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:23 .


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smore006 wrote...
The PC is...the PC, you can make him/her be of any age you want. :)


You raise a good point, but I guess I'm just looking for the most... 'realistic' age for the PC. xD  After all, you can wrinkle them up and make them appear about as old as an elderly grandmother... but from a storytelling perspective, if doesn't make much sense for the PC to appear older than their father, brother, best friend, etc...

smore006 wrote...

I'll try to make my 'guesstimates' with the novels having in mind  (The Stolen Throne set approximately 30 years before the events of Origins, The Calling after ~11 years after TST; we could 'play' with a few years here and there but that makes little difference). Not sure they followed that timeline very strictly, though. 

With that in mind,  Alistair can't be older than, say, 18-20 years.


... REALLY?  Gosh, no insult to him, but he looks so much... older! D=

smore006 wrote..
Morrigan probably less than 30.

Considering that dwarves in Thedas live somewhat longer than humans, Oghren is probably 45+, but not by much.

The rest of your guesses seems to be all right, with Loghain being ~52-53 years old.


Yeah, I'm beginning to see what people mean about Morrigan.  I'll change her guesstimate from 25-35 to... maybe 25-30?  And thanks for the info on Loghain and Oghren. :)

smore006 wrote..
King Cailan is around 25-27, and Maric died at the age of ~45.

Anora is probably 24-25, though i'm not sure if i remember correctly or if it's been said at all (if she was born later than Cailan and if so, by how much).

More interesting is the age of Eamon and Teagan. For one, they should be closer to each other, and they are supposed to be more of the age of Teagan, around 45-47. In all cases, they are younger than Loghain, by 5-7 years. (During the events of TST, they are around 15-17 years old). Teagan seems to be all right in Origins but Eamon is made significantly older than he is supposed to be; we may consider this to be the 'side-effect' of poison/long-time illness, though.


Duly noted!  I'll add these guys to the list...

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One thing to keep in mind is that, despite magic helping with the whole die young thing that medieval times had, that your life started much earlier than it does in modern western culture. People also married younger, as the younger you started, the more children you could have, which were your legacy. For example, Fergus having his first child at 28? That is very late to just now starting to have your heirs. Unless he did not find a wife until close to then, unlikely given his high level of nobility and his relative attractiveness, he would most likely have his first child a year or two after he got married, placing that time around 22 or 23 at most. And yes, I would say the child is around 7, so that puts Fergus at 29-30, making the Human PC around 25-27.

There is no birth control back in this day, and no abortion save very dangerous and often fatal herbal methods. So children often came early and often. Then again, it is often repeated that children are a rare blessing, so it could be that Ferelden, or Thedas in general, has a low birth rate, making some later ages more likely.

Finally, age is mentioned for two characters off the top of my head. First, when Wynne is talking to Lelianna, Lelianna remarks that she looks younger than she actually is. I would wager, since she looks around early to mid twenties, that she is actually in her late twenties to maybe 30. She has a lot of life experience. "Spent most of my adult life as one [Bard]" would indicate that, since adulthood starts around 17-18, that she came to Lothering at earliest 25, to around 27, and it is said that she stayed 2 years in Lothering.

Second, if you get Loghain in your party, one of the other characters, I cannot remember who, states that they expected Loghain to be older than he is. Loghain then says something to the effect that everything he has been through has caused him to look older than he is, thus I would place him in his early to mid 40s, which would match him having a young daughter (Anora seems to me to be around 21, which I will explain my reasoning on just below).

Another thing that is of note is that Alistair claims that he was told that there would be no room for rebellions in his name, and that he potentially threatened Cailan's right to the throne. This would only make sense if Alistair was older, as if he were younger than Cailan, then there would be no question about who had more right to the throne.

Also, Cailan looks and acts to be, while good at heart, young and immature. I would also place Anora at around his age as well, as is appropriate back then. It also states that Cailan has been king for about 5 years, and that he married Anora one month after he ascended to the throne after the death of King Maric. This could happen anywhere between 16-19, putting his age at Ostagar around 21-24, though his personality would befit a younger side, so I would guess he is 21-22. This would place Alistair at a few years older, around 25-27, which befits his personality well I think.

Anyways, sorry to ramble on like that, but each thought led to another, so I just hope that perhaps I contributed something worthwhile :P.

Modifié par celdoloth, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:39 .


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Oghren is WWAAAAY older... He's a Dwarf remember!? I would say about 50 - 70!!

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By the way, I have read none of the books, nor done much research on the wiki, so any information I posted was my guesses and what codex/conversation information I was able to remember. So if anyone has any exact numbers from the books, that would certainly nullify anything I had to say :)

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celdoloth wrote...

By the way, I have read none of the books, nor done much research on the wiki, so any information I posted was my guesses and what codex/conversation information I was able to remember. So if anyone has any exact numbers from the books, that would certainly nullify anything I had to say :)


Don't worry about the rambling.  I like a lot of your points (particularly the ones about medieval birthing and marriage standards), although... they certainly make narrowing down these ages more... difficult. xD

However, I am thorougly confused about Alistair's age now. xD

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Honestly, I am missing why people think Morrigan is so old. Yes, she certainly has a "mature" view on life, and perhaps there is something that I am missing, but to me she simply seems like the classic product of her nurture (Flemeth) conflicting with her nature (Ooo, shiny mirror!). Otherwise, she seems to be quite young, as her life experiences, while of course limited to her life with Flemeth and brief forays into civilization, seem simply... limited. She also speaks of her childhood often, even if criticizing it, leading me to think that it is somewhat fresh in her mind.



She simply seems to lack the awareness that comes with age and experience that, say, Lelianna has, and more possesses the remnants of a childlike innocence that was distorted and mangled by Flemeth's upbringing.



Though Morrigan's personality is no doubt a huge subject of debate, and while I would not mind being flamed with how incorrect I am about it, I don't want to derail the thread about it ;).

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@Morningbird: you are too kind trusting me on those figures :)



@celdoloth: of all things, the facts that Alistair is younger than Cailan and Loghain is 50+ are sure as death. As for the rebellions in the name of Alistair, that is being spoken of at the Landsmeet and it's about rebellions against the rule of Anora, not Cailan. Other than that, your reasoning is/would be logical and correct.



@Danewolf: the wiki says: "Dwarves in Thedas live longer on average because they are, on the whole, a relatively hearty race -- but they certainly don't live anywhere near as long as dwarves in some other fantasy worlds (like the Forgotten Realms). Humans, elves and dwarves in Thedas all have comparable lifespans." We might be arguing semantics but i think this means that although the dwarves do live longer, 70 years would be too much.