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[xsdob]

Please by the mercy of the maker, don't make my character have to choose the fate of thedas and the chantry and have it be between a mageacroacy worse than the tevinter imperium or a new facisit and dictitorial chantry.

In DA2, although I liked most of the game, the part that i hated the most out of all was having to choose between meredith and orsino. To be honest I would have like a neutral option where I fought against both(though this ended up hapening anyway) and maybe have the less extreme memebers of the templars and mages unite with me against the two extremist.

I want to be able to persue some form of neutrality in a conflict where I don't feel either side is right, and it would kill the game for me if I end up needing to choose between two extremes that I would rather both have die in a ditch.

That's all I want, to not have my only choice be between crazy mage one, or psycho templar two. If I need to pick a side, fine, but have that side have options for me to align with as well. Maybe a less extremist templar within the chantry faction, or a good memebr of the chantry like leiliana or alistar who isn't going to execute all mages and make tranquility manditory. Or maybe someone like irving or wynne or someone not wanting to go to war and have a mage control empire.

I just want to not get shoehorned and bottlenecked into that kind of situation bioware, please don't do it I beg you.

Modifié par xsdob, 23 novembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[FaWa]

But  no matter what you choose in DA2 you get the same result.

Modifié par FaWa, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[Welsh Inferno]

 Not gonna happen. BW won't create such diverse endings, they have to sell more games. 

[xsdob]

I'm just saying don't make my character forced into siding with freaking psycho extremist. That's the only thing I would really want from the game enough to make a thread asking bioware for it.

If the option exist, than more power to the players who'd want tthat sort of thing. I just want other options as well, that don't force me to choose between having a magic hitler or a templar stalin in charge.

Modifié par xsdob, 23 novembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Orsino wasn't a psycho extremist; he made a bad decision at the end, but his side was definitely not extremist in that conflict. Anders could be called extremist, but not Orsino.

[FaWa]

Anders and Orsino are both idiots, but at least Anders was written decently kinda

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

Orsino wasn't a psycho extremist; he made a bad decision at the end, but his side was definitely not extremist in that conflict. Anders could be called extremist, but not Orsino.

He's best friends with the serial killer who butchered your mom, and is so weak willed that he turned into some harvester monster despite me siding with him. 

[Taint Master]

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

[Statulos]

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

[xsdob]

There are usually alternatives to everything, and not just two of them. Actually having just two choices in life with no differing degrees or middle ground is a rarity in real life.

Let's take your example of american two party politics. We have a democrat and a republican. Now let's say the democract is a confirmed child molester and the republican is a clansman. Would you only pick the two? Or would you either vote for someone else or choose someone else from the party to be your representative other than those two individuals.

I'm not saying to make the there be no point where we need to choose between mages and templars, all I'm asking is that when the choice come, I can choose who from that group I side with, so I can support the mages without having to be 100% for a tevinter imperium style of goverment where governing power if dictated by the magic you have.

Modifié par xsdob, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Orsino wasn't a psycho extremist; he made a bad decision at the end, but his side was definitely not extremist in that conflict. Anders could be called extremist, but not Orsino.

He's best friends with the serial killer who butchered your mom, and is so weak willed that he turned into some harvester monster despite me siding with him. 

Completely fabricated, at least in the first part. He was corresponding with Quentin at one point, probably before Quentin went crazy, given that Orsino didn't like Quentin's research at all.

[The Hierophant]

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

Plus it didn't matter anyway as Meredith, and Orsino died regardless of your choice.

[Dabrikishaw]

Why would a second Magocracy HAVE to be as bad or worst than the Tevinter Imperium? Same for why the Templars need to be worst to mages? Your thread using the same extremes you claim to hate just seems weird and strawmanny.

[Statulos]

If you play pro-mage I consider Orsino as completely stupid. OK, I have defeated the first wave of templars, I kicked the Arishok in the ass and even killed dragons. I have a gang of friends who are quite powerful people themselves too and you suddenly think it´s desperate?

OK moron, one more corpse for the pile...

[Taint Master]

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

You can't have a story about a "hero" who changes thedas by abstaining... 

If Hawke just left, the entire game would've been pointless.  Decisiveness leads to change.

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Orsino wasn't a psycho extremist; he made a bad decision at the end, but his side was definitely not extremist in that conflict. Anders could be called extremist, but not Orsino.

He's best friends with the serial killer who butchered your mom, and is so weak willed that he turned into some harvester monster despite me siding with him. 

Completely fabricated, at least in the first part. He was corresponding with Quentin at one point, probably before Quentin went crazy, given that Orsino didn't like Quentin's research at all.

Yet he used what he learned from Quentin's research to turn into a Harvestor of all things.

[xsdob]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

Why would a second Magocracy HAVE to be as bad or worst than the Tevinter Imperium? Same for why the Templars need to be worst to mages? Your thread using the same extremes you claim to hate just seems weird and strawmanny.

What's not to get? I don't want to be forced into picking the two worst extremes of the conflict, just so the story of DA3 can be a little more edgy and dark.

I picked the examples becasue they are the worst outcomes I can think of for a mage or templar victory, and either one I don't want forced upon me in the game.

[PsychoBlonde]

xsdob wrote...

I want to be able to persue some form of neutrality in a conflict where I don't feel either side is right, and it would kill the game for me if I end up needing to choose between two extremes that I would rather both have die in a ditch.

Personally, I am hoping (and somewhat expecting) that the ground under this conflict will shift in DA3 and it'l be less "Mage v. Templar!  Round 3!  FIGHT!" and more "there are other factors underneath all this that you need to address".  However, I agree that there should definitely be "a plague on both your houses!" option even if you can't convince them to stop being idiots.

[Dabrikishaw]

xsdob wrote...

Dabrikishaw wrote...

Why would a second Magocracy HAVE to be as bad or worst than the Tevinter Imperium? Same for why the Templars need to be worst to mages? Your thread using the same extremes you claim to hate just seems weird and strawmanny.

What's not to get? I don't want to be forced into picking the two worst extremes of the conflict, just so the story of DA3 can be a little more edgy and dark.

I picked the examples becasue they are the worst outcomes I can think of for a mage or templar victory, and either one I don't want forced upon me in the game.

Fine

[The Hierophant]

I doubt there will be multiple endings but i have a feeling that the conflict will be resolved with more freedom for mages, oversight for Templars as to reduce cases of abuse, or the creation of a organization that's similar to the Temps but without the religious devotion.

[xsdob]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I want to be able to persue some form of neutrality in a conflict where I don't feel either side is right, and it would kill the game for me if I end up needing to choose between two extremes that I would rather both have die in a ditch.

Personally, I am hoping (and somewhat expecting) that the ground under this conflict will shift in DA3 and it'l be less "Mage v. Templar!  Round 3!  FIGHT!" and more "there are other factors underneath all this that you need to address".  However, I agree that there should definitely be "a plague on both your houses!" option even if you can't convince them to stop being idiots.

I would love multiple factions, it would make the conflict seem much bigger and realistic to have different groups with different ideals at play here.

[Statulos]

Taint Master wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

You can't have a story about a "hero" who changes thedas by abstaining... 

If Hawke just left, the entire game would've been pointless.  Decisiveness leads to change.

If Hawke simply went away the result would have been the same: massacre in the Gallows and the circles in Thedas revolt.

[Taint Master]

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

You can't have a story about a "hero" who changes thedas by abstaining... 

If Hawke just left, the entire game would've been pointless.  Decisiveness leads to change.

If Hawke simply went away the result would have been the same: massacre in the Gallows and the circles in Thedas revolt.

But the reason Casandra is interrogating Varric in the first place is because of his involvement in the final conflict. 

The entire reason he's the focus of the story is because he makes a decision (either way).  If he hadn't been the one to do it, the story would've been about whoever else did.

[TJPags]

Taint Master wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This isn't a very realistic request. Real life is full of dualities.

Look at the last presidential election. You had to go Democrat or Republican. There is no middle ground.

You could technically vote independent, but that's an obvious waste. I like the fact that Bioware doesn't always allow for fence sitting.

You didn´t HAVE TO vote. Just like Hawke could have said ok, I´m leaving.

You can't have a story about a "hero" who changes thedas by abstaining... 

If Hawke just left, the entire game would've been pointless.  Decisiveness leads to change.

bold 1 - my Hawke wanted to leave.  Badly.  Ever since he got there.  Wasn't allowed to.

bold 2 - the entire game WAS pointless.  No decision in DA2 changed anything, let alone the end.