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[Sidreus]

Most pleasant: Too many things surprised me good way. Being friends with Morrigan (that allowed me to see her under different light), being able to skip defending Redcliff (most games force you into quests but that was is really... unexpectted), being able to kill stupid Dalish elves.



Unpleasant: Well Anora's encouraging talk before last fight (I expected soldiers would start rolling on the floor laughing), Alistair's tantrums (pointless ones, like killing Connor while there ain't options: Annauled Circled and death Jowan) and Wynne. Stupid old hag doesn't say you good bye before last fight with 100% approval (Heh this is why I kill her most of the time now).

[CapricornSun]

Most Unpleasant Surprise: Allow me to name a few...



- Morrigan dissapproving in almost everything I do.

- The fact that you can't have both Alistair AND Loghain in your party. Imagine the kind of banter they would be having while you run around doing quests.

- The fact that Alistair dumps you if you're not a Human Noble when you place him on the throne. D: That is, unless you harden him.

- When playing as a female Warden and romancing Alistair, you HAVE to let him sleep with Morrigan and let her have his (demon) baby in order to achieve a happy ending with him. I swear I was like... o_0

- The fact that I actually felt bad for executing Loghain. Darn you Alistair! The things I do to keep you with me! >_<

- Missing a lot of locked chests when you're not a rogue or if you didn't bring a rogue along with you.

- Goldanna. Enough said.



Most Pleasant Surprise: Also a lot to name...



- The characters. Surprisingly, I love every one of them! Hell, even Morrigan.

- Party banter. Zevran+Wynne make me chuckle every time!

- Leliana's Song. Animation is a bit awkward but I really like the song.

- Orzammar. I didn't expect to like the whole structure of the place so much.

[Cybercat999]

When I got random encounter in Denerim with exactly 18 thugs, half of them ranged, no nook to hide/pull them in totally open area. I counted bodies afterward, couldnt believe there were so many.

I am *trying* to play NM with least pause I can and I die a lot and got used to it, but that was just VERY unpleasant.

[Barbarossa2010]

Gilsa wrote...

Unpleasant: My first Landsmeet where I was in an Alistair romance and chose to spare Loghain. I was stunned with the outburst and really thought he'd come back at some point. When he was gone from the line-up, I stopped in my tracks. It was the first time I had gone back to a previous save for a do-over. The second most unpleasant surprise was trying to get away from the original Landsmeet decision as much as possible and making him king just to be sure he wouldn't walk out and then getting a horrible break-up scene in front of all my companions. All in all, it just wasn't a good night for me since I got dumped back to back by a virtual character. I went to bed upset, not wanting to finish the game. =p

Most pleasant surprise: This might be a boring choice, but I really liked it when Leliana sang her bard song at camp. I didn't expect it and I loved how the video played out, the way each character reacted to her singing. I wished there could have been another song squeezed in somewhere. Alistair can give a big speech to rally the troops. Why not have Leliana singing as they march into an epic battle? Anyway, that's probably the scene I look forward to the most on each playthrough now.

That really stinks Gilsa; talk about getting trounced.  Looks like female PCs can get a "Morrigan" moment afterall.

Agree that an epic march song by Leliana would have fit in well going into the final battle and might have got me better in the mind for combat since I carried a needless Morrigan burden into the greatest fight of my life. 

Ditto on Leliana's song.  Completely taken by surprise and I remember Morrigan taking her to task about not setting events into song yet for the sake of remembrance.  I thought: "Yeah, what about that?" and then poof! I go back to camp and Leliana comes through big and quite unexpectedly.  Very well done.

[eschilde]

Yeah, Alistair @ Landsmeet is one of the things that just comes out of nowhere. It really seems out of character for him. Not saying I don't understand his reasoning, I do, I really do, I just was not expecting him to be so.. vehement about it. My logic went: Hey, new recruitable! Let's take him! Wait, what, I have to lose my tank if I want him? Er, what? Can't I just talk him out of it? Well, okay, if he's going to be a big baby I'll put Anora on the throne.. wait.. hold on, now she wants to execute him? >.> time to reload.



But actually I found the Broodmother to be a pretty unpleasant shock. I mean, you know something not good is coming after the whole Hespith deal, but eeeeee what is THAT?



But, my first shock was really the whole Howe betraying the Couslands thing. I really did not see that coming. After the first playthrough, I knew the rest of the origins would have something unpleasant that would get you recruited into the Wardens, but the first one I forgot the law of fantasy heroes (which is that something unpleasant ALWAYS happens at the beginning to get you started on your adventure) so I got a bit blindsided.

[Bratinov]

eschilde wrote...

Yeah, Alistair @ Landsmeet is one of the things that just comes out of nowhere. It really seems out of character for him.

Why is it out of character? He was whining about his mancrush through the whole game...
Not getting his revenge/justice/way is a big nono in his book.

[ash the rpgamer]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I'm very curious about the opinions of other players as I put my 60 hour/$ "investment" into perspective?

Most pleasant experience/surprise:  Easily it was Leliana's Song (even with the poor quality of graphic synching)... Very moving.

Most unpleasant experience/surprise:  Without a doubt, uncharacteristically standing by as helpless GW chump  while Morrigan (after romancing) and the DA:O writers kick me in the ba!!s for the sake of an ambiguous plot bridge (Dark Ritual).

i agree most pleasant was definately the lovely Leliana's song

most unpleasant thing for me is the game ends after the final quest, i'd have liked to have been able to continue from there and do other side quests i'd left

[eschilde]

Bratinov wrote...

eschilde wrote...

Yeah, Alistair @ Landsmeet is one of the things that just comes out of nowhere. It really seems out of character for him.

Why is it out of character? He was whining about his mancrush through the whole game...
Not getting his revenge/justice/way is a big nono in his book.

Okay, but he also seriously <3s the Grey Wardens. It seems very strange for him to suddenly abandon the whole thing, especially when a senior GW comes in and says hey, let's do this, and also have absolutely no regard for the opinion of someone who may have fought by his side the whole game and be in a friendly/romantic relationship with.

I understand his reasoning and need for revenge, but Alistair also puts duty in front of everything for the most part. This is something that, after it happened, I had to convince myself it was in character afterwards rather than thinking "Oh, I should have seen that coming."

[Herr Uhl]

Unpleasant, Broodmother followed by Jazz hands.



Pleasant, being Oghrens wingman followed by Senior Enchanter Sweeney.

[DJ0000]

Unpleasant- Alistair killing himself to save me when I had prepared to save him and make him king, Mabari being ridiculously hard to beat on my first playthrough, Final battle of 'A Paragon of her Kind' (the only battle I can't do without switching difficulty)



Pleasant- Collecting artifacts with history and explaination (not just here's a really powerful sword, who cares where it came from), party battle and tactics (never played this kind of game before), pretty much the whole game was great though.

[Bratinov]

eschilde wrote...

Bratinov wrote...

eschilde wrote...

Yeah, Alistair @ Landsmeet is one of the things that just comes out of nowhere. It really seems out of character for him.

Why is it out of character? He was whining about his mancrush through the whole game...
Not getting his revenge/justice/way is a big nono in his book.

Okay, but he also seriously <3s the Grey Wardens. It seems very strange for him to suddenly abandon the whole thing, especially when a senior GW comes in and says hey, let's do this, and also have absolutely no regard for the opinion of someone who may have fought by his side the whole game and be in a friendly/romantic relationship with.

I understand his reasoning and need for revenge, but Alistair also puts duty in front of everything for the most part. This is something that, after it happened, I had to convince myself it was in character afterwards rather than thinking "Oh, I should have seen that coming."

What greater duty is there than to be king? He outright refuses his resposibility /every Schmuck can be a warden...
Maybe he isnt as loyal as we think he is, he just cares for Duncan and his warden buddies way too much
If you harden him he wants to be king just to get his way....

[Cybercat999]

DJ0000 wrote...
Final battle of 'A Paragon of her Kind' (the only battle I can't do without switching difficulty)

Heh, I just did that one on hard-no-pausing. I decided to kill the golems first and then deal with Branka and I was very occupied with one golem resisting everything I threw at it (and I was manually healing on Morrigan now and then).
So when I finally finished with my golem I went to look for Branka...... and couldnt find her..... until I realized I was actually standing on her dead body. I still have no clue who killed her that fast.

And they say AI sucks in this game...

[DJ0000]

i tried destroying the anvil on normal and kept dieing in about 2 minutes, on hard i tried to preserve it and kept ending up fighting Caradin and 3 golems solo as everone else died quickly after Wynne.



I probably could have done it eventually(after about 10 more tries) if I kept trying but I just wasn't bothered that day.LOL

[Barbarossa2010]

DJ0000 wrote...

Unpleasant- Alistair killing himself to save me when I had prepared to save him and make him king...

Did he take the killing blow on the Archdemon or was there another story line I wasn't aware of?  I know female PCs have a very different experience in many cases than we Human Noble, Male GW, Morrigan swooning chumps.

Please explain, it sounds fascinating.

[eschilde]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Unpleasant, Broodmother followed by Jazz hands.

Pleasant, being Oghrens wingman followed by Senior Enchanter Sweeney.

Oh yeah, Oghren's sidequest was pretty hilarious. "It was a sodding good roast!" Damn, what I would give for a flashback cutscene.

Tea-GAHN doing a dance number was more WTF for me than unpleasant. 

Oh yeah, another unpleasant: Anora's reaction if you try to tell Cauthrien you're saving Anora. Double-crossing ****, indeed.

Bratinov wrote...
What greater duty is there than to be king? He outright refuses his resposibility  /every Schmuck can be a warden...
Maybe he isnt as loyal as we think he is, he just cares for Duncan and his warden buddies way too much
If you harden him he wants to be king just to get his way....

That one I actually do understand a bit more. Alistair is a bastard and he doesn't really have the education to be king, despite what Eamon says. Whether Alistair is hardened or not, politics isn't something you can just hack at with a sword to get happy endings, and Anora was doing a decent enough job ruling until Loghain and Howe came in and mucked things up for her. Of course, I think Anora might not have been as strong as she should have been if she, an adult and queen in her own right, was allowing her father regency. But, there's no doubt she was groomed to take the throne from a very young age, whereas Alistair was not.

I do not believe hardened Alistair does not want to be king just to get his own way, though a major reason he wants the throne is to get Anora off the throne if you let Loghain live. I can understand his reasoning from that end as well. Anora is an able ruler but she did allow a number of bad things to happen under her rule, like letting Loghain take the regency, and with Loghain alive Anora is no different than he is. Alistair is obviously very idealistic, which can make him a weak king if he's unhardened, or an able one if he's willing to take advice from people that know better (like Anora or Eamon). Yes, he does want Anora off the throne if you let Loghain live (which, considering Loghain's power over Anora, may not be completely unreasonable) but if you kill him he's perfectly willing to do the right thing, and if you're in a romance he will insist on ending the relationship out of responsibility.

My personal opinion of Alistair is that he has a strong sense of duty but is afraid of taking responsibility for possibly making the wrong decisions. He's very emotional and idealistic, obviously, so unless you toughen him up he will try to run away from anything that puts him in a position of responsibility, whether it's a position of leadership in your party or a position of leadership in the government, but he does have definite opinions on what should or shouldn't be done during the course of the game. 

(And I'll just go brace myself for the subsequent Alistair hate

[frostajulie]

Pleasant: The depth and satisfaction of romancing Zevran. After coming shell shocked out of the AListair relationship Zevran was amazing. Add to the fact that he is one of the most hilarious and well written characters ever and you have a true masterpiece of craftmanship.



Unpleasant: Alistair leaving at the landsmeet when you spare Loghain. I had no clue that would happen, I knew someone would have to die in the final battle its just how these things go and I didn't want it to be either me or Alistair. So Devastated my mage takes the final blow and that turd Alistair didn't even show up for the funeral turns out he was getting wasted in a bar while the archdemon wasted me. Some love, wish I could have had the option to kill him like Duncan killed Ser Jory.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Most unpleasant:
Morrigan's Ritual: My stomach was in knots...
If left to his own devices, Alistair choosing his kingly "duties" over human noble
Alistair's tantrum at Landsmeet

Most pleasant:
Zevran
Party banter and general sense of humor in the game
Lady of the Forest

Modifié par EnchantedEyes1, 04 janvier 2010 - 05:01 .

[jmp0505]

My first play through was completely un-spoiled. So the ending I got at the landsmeet, with my elven mage who had been romanced by Alistair caught me by surprise. I actually reloaded when he dumped the character... honestly, Bioware - that was some good work there, although I can see from this thread some people are outraged - but I was sitting at my PC, late at night actually muttering "He DUMPED me!!!!" . But yeah, one facet of that character might have him always "trying" to do the right thing. So I reloaded and did not pick him for king, and then, unwisely, got the ending with him and your character on the roof, after I rejected Morrigan's offer, not really thinking through the implications. As I said, I had not been spoiled, I assumed I would be able to do the ultimate deed. It was a genuinely moving, yet sad, game moment for me. I know a lot people don't like Alistair, but they gave that character a ton of dialog and different ways to sort of develop him, and across five games, in a romance, not in a romance, he's become a favorite game character.



Some of the best moments, again in that first play through - the sheer scope and hilarity of some of the ambient party dialog. But a highlight for me was the fact that I went to Redcliffe after Lothering, thinking that made sense, and the sequence of getting through Redcliffe, then the castle, then deciding that getting help from the mages would be the best solution... and then doing the entire Broken Circle sequence... that whole arrangement was exhilarating - I was dying regularly, but learning every time how to more effectively play the game and I was so into the game at that point, that the Sloth Demon Fade section - figuring that out (again, remember, I had no spoilers) step by step that first time - I felt a real happy sense of accomplishment when that last center section "Clanged" and opened. Again, a lot of times, much as I enjoy games, I don't get that slow growth of figuring out an interesting puzzle like the Sloth Demon's fade piece.

[DJ0000]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Unpleasant- Alistair killing himself to save me when I had prepared to save him and make him king...

Did he take the killing blow on the Archdemon or was there another story line I wasn't aware of?  I know female PCs have a very different experience in many cases than we Human Noble, Male GW, Morrigan swooning chumps.

Please explain, it sounds fascinating.

Background: I played as a female mage, made him king, had a relationship with him and told Riordan that I wanted to make the killing blow.

I ended up with only Alastair against Archdemon with about 20% health (not relevant but I still can't believe he took it out from that position) so he did get the killing blow and it came to a cutscene where he said he was going to give his life to save me, I asked him "What about being King" he said Anora can rule Ferelden and I can't remember what the next option I chose was. He said he couldn't let me sacrifice myself to save him and then I said I wouldn't let him sacrifice himself for me, to which he replied, "It's not like I'm giving you a choice", there was then a cutscene where he grabbed a sword from a darkspawn corpse and killed the archdemon.

This sucked for me firstly because I had played the whole game prepared for death at the conclusion and more importantly because by that point I didn't want him to die.

[Creature 1]

DJ0000 wrote...
This sucked for me firstly because I had played the whole game prepared for death at the conclusion and more importantly because by that point I didn't want him to die.

There's a mod for that, Dialogue Tweaks. 

[Freckles04]

jmp0505 wrote...

My first play through was completely un-spoiled.

Same. My first character was an elven mage, and I had no clue about anything, really. I made Alistair king and then my jaw dropped when he promptly dumped me. How that hurt!

Then, to add insult to injury, I find out either he or I will have to die to kill the archdemon. On my first playthrough, I didn't do the Dark Ritual, thinking that maybe Riordan was wrong and that neither of us would die...yeah, so much for that plan. But I didn't have Alistair maxed out at love at the end, due to making him king and the break-up and my comments about it, so I was able to sacrifice myself.

Anyway, I would have to say that the break-up was the single most unpleasant event in the game...but the one I wouldn't trade, as silly as it sounds.

The most pleasant experience? I'd have to say the Alistair romance and the character as a whole. There's a lot of depth there that isn't apparent at first glance (as evidenced by the hordes of Alistair lovers and haters on the forum). A character that people can argue over thread after thread? Epic.

The biggest surprise? Flemeth turning into a dragon. On my first playthrough, I show up at her hut, expecting some tough spell-casting, etc., and she turns into a frikkin dragon!! WTF? I felt like slapping Morrigan about that.

The second biggest surprise is how replayable I'm finding this game. There's always something new to discover/experience on another playthrough with a different character or class. It's awesome.

[JosieJ]

Most pleasant:  Zevran.  Seriously, from the previews I thought I'd hate that character, and I ended up liking him the best of all.  His romance, while much briefer than those of Morrigan and Alistair, I thought was deeper (haven't tried Leliana's yet).  And he's hilarious.  I actually outright guffawed when he called my PC a deadly sex goddess in my first playthrough, and I still chuckle every time I hear it with subsequent female PCs.  And his party banter with the other characters is priceless, especially with Wynne.

Most unpleasant:  that there is no option for a female PC to sacrifice herself killing the Archdemon if she is romancing Alistair and refused to convince him to go through with Morrigan's ritual (unless she's left him to defend the gates).  You've spent the whole game fighting and killing and generally being a leader, only to be reduced to a damsel-in-distress moment at the end?  And after all Alistair says about duty and about Anora being too much like Loghain in that both of them were convinced that they alone were what Ferelden needed--and it was one of his most prescient moments in the game, too!--there's no option to convince him that it would be better if you take the blow and spare Ferelden from that conniving ***** becoming Queen?!

[DJ0000]

Creature 1 wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...
This sucked for me firstly because I had played the whole game prepared for death at the conclusion and more importantly because by that point I didn't want him to die.

There's a mod for that, Dialogue Tweaks. 

Can't, PS3