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[Barbarossa2010]

DJ000, yours was a fascinating ending.  Wow. I actually could have lived with that type of ending with Morrigan.  I was denied of course, no matter what I did.  To give my opionion on your ending, at least yours was truly epic and you walk away in heroic mourning, bearing away the price (that of a painful loss) of destroying evil, as opposed to feeling like a gelded dimwit like me.  My Dark Ritual option was pure bull.  I did not do it "to save my life," which only added further insult to injury. 

You and Alistair got to prove Morrigan wrong, that love is not a "weakness."  I unfortunately proved her right and felt anything but an epic hero.

Yours was the preferable ending for me.  You fought for each other (as well as for the greater good) and I know you would have taken the final blow to save him, but he wouldn't allow it.  Now that is EPIC!  I wasn't allowed to fight and die for anything personal.  Very anti-climactic.  Thanks for sharing.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:00 .

[_- Songlian -]

I'm going to add myself to the long list of people who counted Leliana's singing as a pleasant surprise. My first character was a Dalish female with little tolerance for shoe talks and heavy accents, and such she and Leliana were not close at all. But when the bard sang, well... she sang. It was beautiful.

The whole Morrigan ritual business was a very unpleasant surprise. Same Dalish female character tried to convince Alistair to do the deed - she was romancing Zevran and was a good friend with the witch - but failed after hearing his pleas not to put him through it. That scene still gets to me. And after going through all that, Morrigan left the party. I consider her one of the coolest characters in the game, but that part is simply awful. 

Modifié par - Songlian -, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:25 .

[jmp0505]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...



DJ000, yours was a fascinating ending.  Wow. I actually could have lived with that type of ending with Morrigan.  I was denied of course, no matter what I did.  To give my opionion on your ending, at least yours was truly epic and you walk away in heroic mourning, bearing away the price (that of a painful loss) of destroying evil, as opposed to feeling like a gelded dimwit like me.  My Dark Ritual option was pure bull.  I did not do it "to save my life," which only added further insult to injury. 

You and Alistair got to prove Morrigan wrong, that love is not a "weakness."  I unfortunately proved her right and felt anything but an epic hero.

Yours was the preferable ending for me.  You fought for each other (as well as for the greater good) and I know you would have taken the final blow to save him, but he wouldn't allow it.  Now that is EPIC!  I wasn't allowed to fight and die for anything personal.  Very anti-climactic.  Thanks for sharing.

barbarossa - what's to stop you from getting the ending you do want?  I had the exact same experience as described my first play-through and I was actually genuinely choked up at the end. (It probably really helped that I wasn't spoiled for the ending at all.)  I kept thinking about it - and I realized  it was probably one of the best gaming experiences for me, even though it made me really sad.  Because that is rare, that a game hooked me both for entertainment, but that I got so attached to so many of the character.  Even the epilog, where you have a last look at your surviving party members, I was so bummed out!  Like getting to the last few pages of a book you love, where you don't want to say good bye to those characters. 

It's a credit to Bioware that the next day, I started a human noble character... and my second play-through was as much as fun as the first (only I died less, thankfully, and never got my entire party pwned for the run of the game, simply because I was playing better.)  But I made some different choices and got an ending that was quite different, but that felt good to me.  I have since had two more play-throughs and those have had different endings as well.  I roll different characters and try not to always do things the same way, or pick the exact same choices, with a few notable exceptions, where even a fairly amoral character just... can't... make a certain choice.

[DalishRanger]

Sidreus wrote...
Unpleasant: Well Anora's encouraging talk before last fight (I expected soldiers would start rolling on the floor laughing), Alistair's tantrums (pointless ones, like killing Connor while there ain't options: Annauled Circled and death Jowan) and Wynne. Stupid old hag doesn't say you good bye before last fight with 100% approval (Heh this is why I kill her most of the time now).

... Uh... Yes she does. She's done so for me every time I've had her into the 90-100 range, and her speech is short but nice. You sure you didn't run into a bug?

As for most pleasant - I too loved Leliana's song, despite its animation quirks. After playing a Dalish and romancing Morrigan on my first playthrough, I was at warm/friendly with Leliana and found her mildly interesting at best, so I was a bit wary romancing her with my male Amell as planned. I was pleasantly surprised to find out so much more about her and see more sides to her personality; she is now by far my favorite companion, and I love them all.

Unpleasant? Eh, there are many tough choices in this game and sometimes I have trouble deciding what to do, but I actually like that. Can't think of something that truly bothers me off the top of my head.

[DJ0000]

I actually liked the epic ending I got as it was interesting(and because I didn't know this was an option I was truly shocked) but, I just didn't want Alistair to die, that's why it was dissappointing.

In terms of my charecter I kind of feel like she's got nothing to live for, she dumped Leliana for him, all her mage friends were killed by blood magic and all of the friends she gathered scattered across the globe.

So basically her only reason to live is to be a Grey Warden and what is the ultimate goal of the Grey Warden?, to slay the Archdemon(which she missed her chance to do).

This wasn't my proper playthrough, I was just trying the different options and I'm going to go through it again anyway for my 'canon' playthrough so it doesn't matter that much, it's just a sad ending but ultimately very interesting.

On the dark ritual, I actually think this is very interesting for the long term as it creates something unknown that could bring destruction or salvation for the world(and mabey a definitive answer on whether the old gods were actually gods or just High Dragons), the uncomfortable choice makes it really interesting just as much as the last second heartbreak.

Modifié par DJ0000, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:59 .

[elys]

Unpleasant: The inability to refuse to perform the Grey Warden ritual, because my character did not want to be forced into it and would rather fight and kill Duncan than drink the thing. But well that's how the story had to go for the rest of the story to fit

Pleasant: Leliana french accent .. and many other things I'm too lazy to list..

[Leyt22]

Most pleasant...I think that experience was at the very end of the game, when I had my Warden sacrifice himself. That whole part was epic for me. I first had to reject Morrigan's ritual, which sucked in that it left me without my only mage. Then came the battle and all that. Finally we reached the Archdemon and Alistair talked to me and tried to finish the thing himself, which was touching, but I obviously denied him and did it myself. Then, seeing my character run up to the demon all angry-like (he was loosely designed to look like me, but the only similarity was the facial unattractiveness) and thrusting the sword through the head...You know.



The most unpleasant thing I am able to think of (aside from the Fade) was the loud, screeching noise that greets you in the Orzammar part of the story. Makes me jump every time. I think it's caused by a trap. Happens multiple times.

[kaimanaMM]

Pleasant surprises :



How very real all the characters seemed, not just your companions, but everyone. I was impressed with just how much work and love went into this game, it shows.



Along those lines, the party banter is priceless. Each character has their own personality and I love each of them in their own way.



Pleasant experiences :



Leliana's song. Sure the graphics were a little hokey, but I loved everyone's reaction to it. Sten ... you're my BFF man!



Alistair's romance. Yay, a guy in a Bioware game that doesn't tell me I remind him of his dead wife / some girl he used to love - I'm the first! And he's honorable, super funny, totally hot with a dreamy voice AND can stand toe to toe with darkspawn!



Haven / Sacred Ashes. My favorite place / quest in the game besides the Deep Roads. Yes, I'm one of the crazy people who loves the Deep Roads. Heck, I wish we had to fight all the way in AND all the way back out through endless waves of darkspawn. MOAR darkspawn!



Unpleasant surprises :



The Archdemon fight felt very anticlimactic. The Broodmother fight was harder, I thought.



The buggy slides / people thinking they are King when they're not / thinking Alistair is dead when he's not, etc.



Unpleasant experiences :



Morrigan's ritual.



Leaving mom and dad to die in the human noble origin.

[Callie K]

Shale being a woman made me happier than anything!

[Archonsg]

LostScout wrote...

Most unpleasant surprise: Discovering the consequences of my dalliance with Iona. I felt so bad about that I reloaded and chose to go to bed alone that night!

If i remember right, she is still killed by Howe's men. Might as well invite her to bed, waste not, want for not I say. 



Most pleasant surprise for me would have to be on my first play through when I choose to make the ultimate sacrifice. Everything about that ending was well worth a hero's death. It hit me pretty hard to learn that Lelianna didn't take my PC's death well and decided to join my PC via suicide (my interpretation though many would argue against this as well as for) which was surprising considering I thought myself a rather gamer. Not since Viconia's romance / Arieth's death in FF7 had I felt such strong emotions towards a character in a game. 

Most unpleasant surprise was when I learned I could not take off Anora's head. I mean, come on guys, at the very least let me shield bash that lying, conniving witch who had convinced half of the those playing the game that she's actually a "good" ruler / justifiable for her actions. 

[jmp0505]

LostScout wrote...

Can't pick a most pleasant surprise, but my first pleasant surprise was discovering Sweet Iona in the human noble origin. This was early in my DA:O career and I thought, wow, I found this beautiful elf maid who will be my love interest for the game.

Most unpleasant surprise: Discovering the consequences of my dalliance with Iona. I felt so bad about that I reloaded and chose to go to bed alone that night!

You know what's extra sad about that... her daughter is in the Elven alienage.   I don't know if there's any real dialog, but you do see here sitting there alone.

[Sezuke]

The most unpleasant surprise would be losing Alistair at the Landsmeet for sparing Loghaine. I understood where it came from, but come on...Throughout the game he seemed to be a good character and then he gave in for vengence. I guess it's one of the aspects of a Dark Fantasy - sometimes there is no "good" choice. Losing a friend for showing mercy, or changing the good nature I've been trying to build for my character throughout the game by ruthlessly killing Loghaine (I know he probably deserved it, but it's moments like these which shows how good your character really is).

As for most pleasant, I'm surprised I havn't seen it in this thread yet - Oghren people, OGHREN. He is THE most hillarious character in this game, and I mean it. All of his drunken moments made me laugh so hard. How he tried to hit on my Warden, confusing him for a woman, and then passing out while falling to the ground. His banters with Wynne trying to bed her, as gross as they are. Hell, his banters with any character!

Oghren: Warden! The Dog stole my pants!
Me: But Oghren, you are wearing your pants...

Wynne: Why do you occasionally refer to Alistair as a "little pike-twirler?"
Oghren: Why? Has the little pike-twirler taken offence?
Wynne: It's just a curious description.
Oghren: Curious? (Snorts) Bah. it's entirely true. What, you haven't seen him twirling his pike? Goes at it when he thinks no one's watching. Knocks about in the trees like there's no tomorrow. Caught him just the other day. Blushed all the way down to his navel, then couldn't find his shirt. I swear he's going to hurt himself one of these days, the way he works that thing.
(Just a small edit with the accurate dialogue with Wynne, or rather, part of it.)

Modifié par Sezuke, 04 janvier 2010 - 09:50 .

[Barbarossa2010]

jmp0505,



I like your comments. This is a very absorbing game where your attachment to the characters is unprecedented (at least for me, coming from a completely different gaming background).



I know there are different endings and many are actually appealling and epic. The thing that stops me from getting the ending I might want is that I just don't think I could play the game differently. I am who I am and my PC is who he is. I guess I could try getting into character as something completely different, and maybe I'll try that on another play through.



But my "for record" run is as I did it on my first attempt, I simply would have done nothing different. I would have appreciated more realistic options with Morrigan at the Dark Ritual offer, like really telling her off or sent her packing barring her from access to any Grey Warden, as my PC would have done since she didn't want to be honest and tell me why the Dark Ritual had to be done. Fine, but give me the option I would have made for myself. She was elusive and conniving and your only option was to do it or silently sacrifice yourself in a lonely death. Didn't work. Be robbed of your dignity and gelded or quietly die with no personal stake in that death. The higher ideals of the GWs were lost on me at my forced conscription.



Having said that, I think Bioware blew it with Morrigan (for many, but certainly if you were a human male noble who romanced her), as attested to by literally tens of thousands of comments and Mr. Gaider's comment that they had underestimated the reaction. They blew it for more complex reasons than not getting a white picket fence ending. But hey, in the end, they got the buzz and attention they wanted.



Sorry to unload a bit, you are right of course. Thanks very much.

[Freckles04]

Sezuke wrote...

As for most pleasant, I'm surprised I havn't seen it in this thread yet - Oghren people, OGHREN. He is THE most hillarious character in this game, and I mean it. All of his drunken moments made me laugh so hard. How he tried to hit on my Warden, confusing him for a woman, and then passing out while falling to the ground. His banters with Wynne trying to bed her, as gross as they are. Hell, his banters with any character!

Oh, AGREED. I can't help but laugh when he's trying to tell you that joke in camp about the human walking into a bar, and he's laughing so hard he can't get past the opening line. And when he keels over...!

Another Oghren-related pleasant surprise: when he asks you to join him for a drink. Unless you have an awesome constitution, you pass out. Pure awesome.

And let's not forget his speech at the gate, or the reaction in the epilogue if you sacrificed yourself. He was certainly an underestimated character on my first playthrough, but I've grown to appreciate him a lot in subsequent ones.

[biomag]

Unpleasant: Anora survives and Branka... god, I hated these two.



Pleasant: Party. They really felt alive not like at ME. The fighting system.

[Kelanil]

I have to say the various companion discussions was one of the more pleasant surprises in the game that I enjoyed.

Things I didn't enjoy are the various glitches and getting a Disc is Dirty error on a brand new COE of DOA...sigh.

[jmp0505]

Oh my, Ohgren certainly gets a vote of appreciation. I have been playing a male character (which i usually don't if I am given a gender choice), and I purposely did the Orzammer quests early, right after Broken Circle. (It was a tough slog at many points and I leveled up at least twice during it. ) but I wanted Ohgren in my party for the duration this time. Thus far, have not regretted it. He is SUCH a pig and he makes me laugh regularly. Its a great contrast between him and Alistair two- polar opposites, but both so likeable as characters.



@ barbarossa - I know people tend to play how they are, it can be difficult not to insert your own morals, likes, dislikes into yoru gameplay. You make game decisions that feel comfortable to you the person. (For example, defiling the ashes just feels so incredibly wrong no matter what type of character I am playing.) But... this game has enough in it for me that my second character was as genuinely decent as my first (but not above asking for rewards when she felt the situation merited some payment) and the romance with Alistair did pretty much play out the same way, except for one key decision. I would tell you to give it a shot, unless the game does not feel replayable to you. Either way, still a pretty terrific gaming experience, eh?

[svenus97]

Unpleasent: Lady Isolde... enough said.

Not beign able to kill Isolde my self.... I wish I could do the ritual instead of Jowan.

The Fade part in the mages circle... first 2 times it was fun but then it gets boring.



Pleasent: Being able to "STFU bi*ch" and kick Isolde in the face.

My signature.... that conversation allways makes me laugh.

Abillity to persuase Branka to commit suicide.

[Barbarossa2010]

kaimanaMM wrote...


Unpleasant experiences :

Morrigan's ritual.

Leaving mom and dad to die in the human noble origin.

Forgot about that one too.  Leaving your mother and father to die was definitely unpleasant.  I went through every dialogue option to put off leaving them.  Duncan's duty and my father's insistence forced me away.  It did suck major league...but it was worse that not one of my companions offerred even a word of comfort.  Maybe I missed that somewhere.  I remember getting to tell Morrigan about it, but true to form, she cut and run.

Yep, agreed.  Second most unpleasant thing.

[MEUTRIERE]

Pleasant: Teegahhhn. Dwarf noble origin (particularly, making Gorim speak for me. ;D) Ser Perth.

Unpleasant: Leliana's accent. Broodmama's tentacles getting in the way of my archer. D:<

[harktag]

Most Unpleasant - The fact that there really is no "good" choice for Orzamar's next king. Bhelen may get better results, but unless I'm a dwarf commoner, I just can't bring myself to make him king over Harrowmont.



Most Pleasant - As most people have already pointed out: Leliana's song, party banter, and how much I fell head over heels over Alistair. I know a lot of people find him whiney. But I found his personality very cute and endearing.

[MEUTRIERE]

harktag wrote...

Most Unpleasant - The fact that there really is no "good" choice for Orzamar's next king. Bhelen may get better results, but unless I'm a dwarf commoner, I just can't bring myself to make him king over Harrowmont.

That's politics.  If you look at any leader in society, whether they be political or spiritual, there's always a flaw to be found, whether it's in character or policies.  I kind of like this about DA:O, because it makes you choose between what's noble and what's progressive.  Harrowmont may be a good, (more or less) honest man, but in the end, he is weak and wants to isolate Orzammar.  On the other hand, Bhelen is a rat bastard unless you're a dwarf commoner and a lying murderer, but he's ambitious and always gets the job done.  Plus, I find it adds to characterization because, for example, my first PC was a human noble who thought the dwarves needed to change with the times and foster trade and immersion into the surface world.  Thus, she supported Bhelen.  My elven mage, on the other hand, saw what humans could do to those that weren't like them (she was born in the Alienage and then taken away from all she knew because she was a mage) and thought isolation was the only way to save themselves from the cursed fate humans seemed to bring to others.  She supported Harrowmont.

There aren't really any true 'good' choices in Dragon Age, for everything seems to have it's backlash.  That's why I love this game: it's all about choosing the lesser of two evils in the perspective of your character.  Immersion, ftw.

/shpeel 

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

Pleasant:

Party banter

Oghren and Zevren

Finding out that Loghain is not as much of a bastard as you thought



Unpleasant

Killing Connor

Not being able to romance Alistair as a male.

Zevren considering me a female in the end game text.

Not being able to kill Anora.