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[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

If the graph is so wrong, why not make one that shows the correct amount of missions?

The problem isn't the numbers, it's the silly classification system that the numbers are derived from.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 novembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Arathon]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Sad to see a good man leaving... 
Last sentece was because of pure frustation. I can feel with him on that and agree on most of his claims...
It's just said that Bioware rather shields themself with ignorance instead of simply saying that they screwed up and will do better in future. I mean even people who liked the ending still will see that the game had its serious flaws beside the ending point 1, 4, 5 and many things more

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

If the graph is so wrong, why not make one that shows the correct amount of missions?

Oh, right. The graph isn't wrong because the figures are inaccurate, it is wrong on the deeper level of not proclaiming the magnificence of ME3 uncritically. Well, graphs are like that sometimes. Perhaps you could replace missions with "Level of Awesome", which for ME3, as everybody knows, is higher than for any other thing anywhere ever, at a permanent +3000 to whatever anyone else says.

I don't think it's inaccurate. I think it's misleading. I see a lot of people pulling this graph out and trying to use it to show that the previous games had "more content" than ME3. That's simply not true.


The bulk of ME2's playtime came from Loyalty missions. The main plot wasn't really the focus of the game. So therefore the effort Bioware put into the game was distributed accordingly.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 23 novembre 2012 - 10:50 .

[Vinchisters]

In Soviet russia ME3 hates YOU

[Maxster_]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

For me 3 and 7 goes into first category,
Crucible is absurd and nonsense, it completely destroyed ME3 plot, and dumbed down every character involved.
And intro was just horrible. Such garbage writing outdone everything that was before by order of magnitude.
Also, in first category goes arrival of the reapers, which destroyed overarching series plot. Reapers just sat in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just into a galaxy in 0-5-3 years...

And in second category, goes Cerberus coup. It was just horrible, especially with Udina self-betrayal.

As for leaving EAWare forums - it is fun to repeatedly remind them of their utter failures. And i'm waiting for ME3 to finally die.
Of course, i written EAWare off, they are hopeless.

[Cobretti ftw]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Clapclapclap

perfect.. just perfect.

I agree completly lol

but as the second post says: I like to constantly remember EA/bioware the ultimate FAIL that they call ME3.

[drayfish]

Gtacatalina wrote...

I loved running around in the mako in ME1. I loved not only the scenery but how they incorporated side missions on a lot of the planets, I prefered this alot better than the ME3 listening in on people's conversation side quests.
I would have loved for them to have kept and improved the planet exploration in ME2 and ME3.

some pics

This is beautiful.  This is why I first fell in love with Mass Effect (particularly that striking pan up to Earth swimming in the sky overhead).

Thank you. 

Modifié par drayfish, 23 novembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[Jadebaby]

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

If the graph is so wrong, why not make one that shows the correct amount of missions?

Oh, right. The graph isn't wrong because the figures are inaccurate, it is wrong on the deeper level of not proclaiming the magnificence of ME3 uncritically. Well, graphs are like that sometimes. Perhaps you could replace missions with "Level of Awesome", which for ME3, as everybody knows, is higher than for any other thing anywhere ever, at a permanent +3000 to whatever anyone else says.

I don't think it's inaccurate. I think it's misleading. I see a lot of people pulling this graph out and trying to use it to show that the previous games had "more content" than ME3. That's simply not true.


The bulk of ME2's playtime came from Loyalty missions. The main plot wasn't really the focus of the game. So therefore the effort Bioware put into the game was distributed accordingly.

The graph is correct, I've counted. The only way in which ME3 is superior to the other games as far as content goes, is by squadmate dialog. Even if most of it is ambient.

[Grand Wazoo]

I mostly agree with OP. Besides the obvious flaws of the game (autodialogue, removal of neutral dialogue option, wrong themes,  side-missions) my biggest gripe with the game was the whole overall narrative. For me, the story of the reapers was never the reason why I enjoyed  Mass Effect, it was well presented and well paced but not really awe-inspiring. What mattered to me, was the characters, setting and the big conflicts (geth, genophage), which often took quite a primary role in the story . That is why ME2 is my slight favorite. Not to say ME3 couldn't have been a great end for Shepard's journey and an enjoyable story overall. But add in Mac Walters and some speculations and you're set for a mediocre experience.

To summarize, greatest moments in ME3 were:
- Rannoch
- Tuchanka
- Garrus
- Other brilliant character moments

Again: characters, setting and conflicts.

All the stuff that deals primarily with the reapers (the beginning, ending, Priority: Earth, Thessia etc.) is a rushed and incoherent mess. With better writing and presentation, who knows what we might've got.

I still wouldn't say I hate the game. Disappointing as hell, sure, but not worth hating.

[Bad King]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Great post. As for the EC, while it was a marginal improvement in some ways, it also introduced fresh plotholes and bad writing (the whole sequence during the run to the beam springs to mind).

[drayfish]

Eterna5 wrote...

Happy to see you go. Maybe now you can start living instead of being a condescending d-bag.

 

corporal doody wrote...

But you hate the game and are leaving OP?

Dont go away mad.....JUST GTFO

SEE YA!!!

Seival wrote...

I think, that I should reply to OP in my favorite "mirror style".

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. There are a lot of people who actually like ME3 and the ending, and don't like haters whining. The less haters we have - the better.

...What?... I don't have to show much toleration to the ones who show little toleration to me.

Seival wrote...

Yate wrote...

CRY SOME MORE

then kill yourself

 
I wish I could love ME3, because the people who do seem so happy and welcoming.
 

[Squallypo]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Awesome post and i tottaly agree with you   im just here to keep expressing my disconform towards what ME 3 became.. and well yes its EA and Bioware fault, shame on them and i just gotta love how they justify and deny everything we express in here its just awesome i love that  so keep it coming.

[Dr_Extrem]

drayfish wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Happy to see you go. Maybe now you can start living instead of being a condescending d-bag.

 

corporal doody wrote...

But you hate the game and are leaving OP?

Dont go away mad.....JUST GTFO

SEE YA!!!

Seival wrote...

I think, that I should reply to OP in my favorite "mirror style".

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. There are a lot of people who actually like ME3 and the ending, and don't like haters whining. The less haters we have - the better.

...What?... I don't have to show much toleration to the ones who show little toleration to me.

Seival wrote...

Yate wrote...

CRY SOME MORE

then kill yourself

 
I wish I could love ME3, because the people who do seem so happy and welcoming.
 

you forgot that they are warm and caring beings.

[WhiteKnyght]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

1. Shepard wasn't streamlined. Auto-dialogue just fills in blanks where YOU DON'T NEED to choose dialogue. Who wants three different ways to ask "Why?"
2. Subjective. If you don't believe the Reapers would work in such meticulous unison without some guiding power behind them, you're deluding yourself more than you claim EC defenders are.

3. The Crucible was planned as early as Lair of the Shadow Broker. Plus anybody with half a brain would know the Reaper's cant be beaten conventionally, hence why they've survived thousands of cycles.
4. I found that there was a lot more of the galaxy I could sift through than in ME2.
5. Garrus, Joker, Tali, and Dr Chakwas are ME2 crew. Deal with it!
6. The several N7 missions, the Rachni mission, the Cerberus bomb, the Geth Server, Rescuing Zaal'Korris, and recruiting gangs for Aria don't count.
7. Again, subjective. To think you're entitled to speak for everyone in such a hateful way is pure arrogance and stupidity.
8. I didn't find it that bad, tbh.
9. Cerberus were always bastards. Read the novels and comics. The Illusive Man played Shepard for a chump in ME2. It was a lie the entire time.

10. Don't see what's wrong with the journal. Worked fine for me.
11. You have something of a point there, I don't know why Kelly was excluded the way she was. But it isn't end of the world for me.
12. I'd rather see a pretty model's picture for Tali than find out that I screwed Jar Jar Binks's sister in ME2, wouldn't you?
13. Subjective. Liara has always been an essential character in the series. She's Shepard's most loyal friend and ardent supporter. It's understandable she'd get face time. Especially considering she's the only Prothean expert.
14. Subjective. Most of them were fine by me.

You're a curmudgeon and Bioware is better off without whiny and unpleasable players like you.

EC did just fine. As was the original ending. Unlike about 90% of the forum, I had the sense to learn the right lore enough to make sense of the endings. Extended Cut only proved true what I had already assumed.

Also that last line is just crazy. Do you see how many ending hate threads pop up on these forums every. single. day? If what you claim there is even remotely true(frankly I wish it was. It'd be nice to have the forums as a peaceful place again) then there would be none.

Also I don't need discounts. I buy pretty much everything as it comes out. Full price. Also since when does Bioware give discounts anyway?

Well, sayanara whoever you are. We wont miss you.

[AlanC9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
I don't think it's inaccurate. I think it's misleading. I see a lot of people pulling this graph out and trying to use it to show that the previous games had "more content" than ME3. That's simply not true.

The bulk of ME2's playtime came from Loyalty missions. The main plot wasn't really the focus of the game. So therefore the effort Bioware put into the game was distributed accordingly.

The graph is correct, I've counted. The only way in which ME3 is superior to the other games as far as content goes, is by squadmate dialog. Even if most of it is ambient.

Like I said, the problem isn't the count, the problem is that the graph writer counts the wrong things.

Unless you're saying that ME3 is shorter than the other games? When we poll that the results are usually all over the place. My own experience is that ME3 is the longest of the lot (now that I've learned not to waste time with ME3's shops and fiddlingg with inventory.

[Squallypo]

by any chance does anyone knows Texasgoldrush from gamespot forums ? is he a member of BSN? ugh hope not rofl. that guy is a pure BS about how awesome is ME 3 and takes it to a whole new level.

[corporal doody]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Happy to see you go. Maybe now you can start living instead of being a condescending d-bag.

 

corporal doody wrote...

But you hate the game and are leaving OP?

Dont go away mad.....JUST GTFO

SEE YA!!!

Seival wrote...

I think, that I should reply to OP in my favorite "mirror style".

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. There are a lot of people who actually like ME3 and the ending, and don't like haters whining. The less haters we have - the better.

...What?... I don't have to show much toleration to the ones who show little toleration to me.

Seival wrote...

Yate wrote...

CRY SOME MORE

then kill yourself

 
I wish I could love ME3, because the people who do seem so happy and welcoming.
 

you forgot that they are warm and caring beings.

so...it is okay to be "warm" ONLY when im spouting hate and discontent in regards to the ending?

ROGER THAT!



perhaps some would have perferred us saying..."OH...pah pah pleeeez OP/TC dont go. THE GAME IS UTTER SHIYET AND YOU HATE IT...and the entire series is CRAP cuz of YOUR REASONS for hating it....BUT PLEASE STAY!  If not for the love of spreading hate and discontent...than just for the want to spread hate and discontent at those that dont share our opinion that the ENTIRE game and series was ruined!!  Cuz we alllll know those that enjoyed ME3 and are okay with the EC endings are SHEEP that are too stupid to see the poor quality of BW's CRAP.  I know it is crap...cuz i see it...you see it...we all see it.  I think it is...therefore everyone else does too!  So dont go........"

Modifié par corporal doody, 24 novembre 2012 - 12:56 .

[drayfish]

corporal doody wrote...

so...it is okay to be "warm" ONLY when im spouting hate and discontent in regards to the ending?

ROGER THAT!



perhaps some would have perferred us saying..."OH...pah pah pleeeez OP/TC dont go. THE GAME IS UTTER SHIYET AND YOU HATE IT...and the entire series is CRAP cuz of YOUR REASONS for hating it....BUT PLEASE STAY!  If not for the love of spreading hate and discontent...than just for the want to spread hate and discontent at those that dont share our opinion that the ENTIRE game and series was ruined!!  Cuz we alllll know those that enjoyed ME3 and are okay with the EC endings are SHEEP that are too stupid to see the poor quality of BW's CRAP.  I know it is crap...cuz i see it...you see it...we all see it.  I think it is...therefore everyone else does too!  So dont go........"

Is it really that difficult to differentiate between 'I hate this game', and 'You are a worthless piece of crap human being that should shut up, die, and GTFO!'?


EDIT: If you really see no distinction there (one is a personal criticism of a text; the other a personal, hateful attack on another human being), then perhaps that is the communication problem we are all having here...

Modifié par drayfish, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Legbiter]

Bye.

[corporal doody]

drayfish wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

so...it is okay to be "warm" ONLY when im spouting hate and discontent in regards to the ending?

ROGER THAT!



perhaps some would have perferred us saying..."OH...pah pah pleeeez OP/TC dont go. THE GAME IS UTTER SHIYET AND YOU HATE IT...and the entire series is CRAP cuz of YOUR REASONS for hating it....BUT PLEASE STAY!  If not for the love of spreading hate and discontent...than just for the want to spread hate and discontent at those that dont share our opinion that the ENTIRE game and series was ruined!!  Cuz we alllll know those that enjoyed ME3 and are okay with the EC endings are SHEEP that are too stupid to see the poor quality of BW's CRAP.  I know it is crap...cuz i see it...you see it...we all see it.  I think it is...therefore everyone else does too!  So dont go........"

Is it really that difficult to differentiate between 'I hate this game', and 'You are a worthless piece of crap human being that should shut up, die, and GTFO!'?

on the BSN (ME3 spoiler section specifically)? where threads about hate and negativity are common place? YEs....YES it is

Modifié par corporal doody, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Atucker_a32]

Bioware has explained several times why they did every single one of those, there were plenty of side missions they just didn't feel like it, bioware knew they were going to alienate some players in order to appeal to a larger group and your one of the unfortunate few but that means its time for you to accept it and quit your ****ing so shut up, leave the people who like it alone and go find some other game to whine about

[ImperatorMortis]

People feeling the need to make farewell threads.

Some people sure have a high opinion of themselves. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[corporal doody]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

People feeling the need to make farewell threads.

Some people sure have a high opinion of themselves. 

Dude was too cool to just make a "WAH WAH im leaving so pay attention to me" thread.  Dude dropped a deuce on everyone that doesnt agree with his hate for the game.

[WhiteKnyght]

corporal doody wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

People feeling the need to make farewell threads.

Some people sure have a high opinion of themselves. 

Dude was too cool to just make a "WAH WAH im leaving so pay attention to me" thread.  Dude dropped a deuce on everyone that doesnt agree with his hate for the game.

He was just trying to cause drama. People who make farewell threads here(which is not the place for it) aren't leaving just because they want to leave. They want to incite and try to demonstrate ME3 hate. That way, when somebody challenges the idea that people are leaving because the ending was bad they can just say "look at the threads"

At the end of the day, it's a conceited attempt to send a message to Bioware.

I just beat ME3 again today, did Control, loved it(loved it more cause it was on a 60 inch tv)