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[Phoenix00]

Bye

[daecath]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Not everyone has left. There are lots of us here to kick BioWare's ego in hopes that we get them to come to their senses. They F***ed up, they F***ed up bad, and they will hopefully remember this the next time they make a game. Hopefully the next time that EA tells them that they want 5 times the work done in the same amount of time, and go ahead and cut "minor" things like plot in order to add "important" features like multiplayer, they'll tell EA to go to Hell. As for feeling bad, well, I hope that the developers are just as disappointed with ME3 as we were, and I hope EA has nightmares about it for the rest of their lives. If John Riccitiello never has another good night's sleep again, I'll be satisfied.

[Liamv2]

daecath wrote...

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Not everyone has left. There are lots of us here to kick BioWare's ego in hopes that we get them to come to their senses. They F***ed up, they F***ed up bad, and they will hopefully remember this the next time they make a game. Hopefully the next time that EA tells them that they want 5 times the work done in the same amount of time, and go ahead and cut "minor" things like plot in order to add "important" features like multiplayer, they'll tell EA to go to Hell. As for feeling bad, well, I hope that the developers are just as disappointed with ME3 as we were, and I hope EA has nightmares about it for the rest of their lives. If John Riccitiello never has another good night's sleep again, I'll be satisfied.

Exactly i like the EC ending but the fact that the first one was allowed through in the first place is worrying

[Oransel]

Maxster_ wrote...

For me 3 and 7 goes into first category,
Crucible is absurd and nonsense, it completely destroyed ME3 plot, and dumbed down every character involved.
And intro was just horrible. Such garbage writing outdone everything that was before by order of magnitude.
Also, in first category goes arrival of the reapers, which destroyed overarching series plot. Reapers just sat in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just into a galaxy in 0-5-3 years...

And in second category, goes Cerberus coup. It was just horrible, especially with Udina self-betrayal.

As for leaving EAWare forums - it is fun to repeatedly remind them of their utter failures. And i'm waiting for ME3 to finally die.
Of course, i written EAWare off, they are hopeless.

True that, sir. 3 and 7 could have been put in Restricting, but I chose to put into major for one reason. When I have played ME3, beginning and Crucible made me very angry, almost willing to stop playing, but I wanted to see what was the rest of the game. However, when glowboy appeared I just broke the disk in half. That's what I mean by "Restricting", lol. In the sense of prohibiting the replay whole game is restricting by itself, though.

Modifié par Oransel, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Calaida wrote...

does anybody have the smallest violinn to play for this guy.. people still ranting and raving over the game.. get over it and play something else then. you leavin this game just makes the bsn community even stronger. less babies crying about pointless issues that have already been talked about 6 months ago . your opinion is valid but come on man .. Get over it and go to multiplayer . its soo much better

Thats the prob right there, Bioware spent to much time on Mp, and SP sufferd for it, maybe in me4 we will have the optiont o not have mp since its a waste of hard drive space if you dont use it.

[laudable11]

mass perfection wrote...

ME3 failed in the RPG aspect.

[JamesFaith]

Oransel wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

For me 3 and 7 goes into first category,
Crucible is absurd and nonsense, it completely destroyed ME3 plot, and dumbed down every character involved.
And intro was just horrible. Such garbage writing outdone everything that was before by order of magnitude.
Also, in first category goes arrival of the reapers, which destroyed overarching series plot. Reapers just sat in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just into a galaxy in 0-5-3 years...

And in second category, goes Cerberus coup. It was just horrible, especially with Udina self-betrayal.

As for leaving EAWare forums - it is fun to repeatedly remind them of their utter failures. And i'm waiting for ME3 to finally die.
Of course, i written EAWare off, they are hopeless.

True that, sir. 3 and 7 could have been put in Restricting, but I chose to put into major for one reason. When I have played ME3, beginning and Crucible made me very angry, almost willing to stop playing, but I wanted to see what was the rest of the game. However, when glowboy appeared I just broke the disk in half. That's what I mean by "Restricting", lol. In the sense of prohibiting the replay whole game is restricting by itself, though.

Ah, so "I wan't post" lasted... 20 hours.

And I thought that this farewell thread can't be more pathetic. 

Modifié par JamesFaith, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[megamacka]

laudable11 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

ME3 failed in the RPG aspect.

[Nightwriter]

Oransel wrote...

This is my last post on these boards. I want to send the last message. Bioware and EA screwed up potentially the most successful of their games. Everything was prepared for greatness at two previous games. However, they chose to run it into the ground.

I have a lot of problems with this game. They can be put into three categories - restricting, major flaws and minor flaws.

Restricting which make game REALLY unplayable:

1. Auto-dialogue and streamlined Shepard
2. Glowboy and everything about ending

Major flawes which are greatly responsible for my hate towards the game:

3. Crucible plot
4. No exploration
5. No ME2 crew
6. Almost no side-missions (fetch quests)
7. Beginning to the point of being almost unplayable with even worse writing than ending
8. Very limited ability to interact with crewmembers
9. Cerberus bastardization

Minor flaws which are bad, but tolerable:

10. Journal
11. Kelly Chambers treatment
12. Tali's face
13. Too much focus on Liara
14. Romances are less engaging

Game is bad, those who made it what it is should feel bad and should know they will never get my money.

Also, EC is very bad, compared to original ending being horrible. Those who say that EC "fixed" something are deluding themselves, from 1/10 to 3/10 is surely improvement, but not much. 

Everyone who knows this have already left forums. Only fanboys stay here to lick Bioware ego in hope they will get discount. 

Doesn't really matter whether you hit the right points if your attitude sucks, y'know.

[NightAntilli]

- ME1 had barren planets which were tedious to explore, shooting mechanics were crap, cover mechanics were crap, all classes played almost the same, had a bunch of time-wasting elevator rides, terrible performance and pop-in issues, tedious inventory and skill tree system, weapons overheating bug, getting stuck in environments, annoying mini-games..
- ME2 had almost no RPG mechanics whatsoever, main story sucked compared to ME1, was mainly a bunch of side quests, planet scanning was a drag (imo worse than mako), barely any exploration because of small locations, awful loading times, repetitive mini games, predictable fighting environments, being stuck in environments, apathetic characters (barely interacted with each other), lack of weapons and armor.
- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, ME1 import issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests, slightly less choice during conversations.

On the flipside..

- ME1 had the best overall story, the most exploration, the deepest RPG elements and conversations, the most immersion.
- ME2 had improved shooting mechanics, better sidequests, better DLC support, better performance, better animations in conversations, better graphics, better action, better and more character support, each class was really unique.
- ME3 had improved cover-based mechanics over ME2, more verticality in gameplay, more cinematic moments, more variety in enemies, more emotional peaks and valleys, slightly deeper RPG elements than ME2 (weapon mods, skill trees etc), bigger Citadel, best interaction between characters, more variety in weapons..

I apologize if I forgot anything on any of the games. But point is....

Reading what you people are saying and comparing it to the pros and cons of all three, it doesn't seem that you all hate ME3 because it's actually worse. It's because you disliked the ending that you're nitpicking about everything in ME3, even if it's superior than in the prior ones in many (if not most) ways. Or are the issues of the other two listed above somehow irrelevant? You can easily love ME3 for what it is and simply forget about the ending for a second, but you've chosen otherwise. I don't really get the hate for ME3 specifically while the other ones also had huge flaws, if not bigger flaws... But whatever.

Modifié par NightAntilli, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:27 .

[Harorrd]

I hate it to, why would they destroy the game?

[Dr_Extrem]

NightAntilli wrote...

- ME1 had barren planets which were tedious to explore, shooting mechanics were crap, cover mechanics were crap, all classes played almost the same, had a bunch of time-wasting elevator rides, terrible performance and pop-in issues, tedious inventory and skill tree system, weapons overheating bug, getting stuck in environments, annoying mini-games..
- ME2 had almost no RPG mechanics whatsoever, main story sucked compared to ME1, was mainly a bunch of side quests, planet scanning was a drag (imo worse than mako), barely any exploration because of small locations, awful loading times, repetitive mini games, predictable fighting environments, being stuck in environments, apathetic characters (barely interacted with each other), lack of weapons and armor.
- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, ME1 import issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests, slightly less choice during conversations.

On the flipside..

- ME1 had the best overall story, the most exploration, the deepest RPG elements and conversations, the most immersion.
- ME2 had improved shooting mechanics, better sidequests, better DLC support, better performance, better animations in conversations, better graphics, better action, better and more character support, each class was really unique.
- ME3 had improved cover-based mechanics over ME2, more verticality in gameplay, more cinematic moments, more variety in enemies, more emotional peaks and valleys, slightly deeper RPG elements than ME2 (weapon mods, skill trees etc), bigger Citadel, best interaction between characters, more variety in weapons..

I apologize if I forgot anything on any of the games. But point is....

Reading what you people are saying and comparing it to the pros and cons of all three, it doesn't seem that you all hate ME3 because it's actually worse. It's because you disliked the ending that you're nitpicking about everything in ME3, even if it's superior than in the prior ones in many (if not most) ways. Or are the issues of the other two listed above somehow irrelevant? You can easily love ME3 for what it is and simply forget about the ending for a second, but you've chosen otherwise. I don't really get the hate for ME3 specifically while the other ones also had huge flaws, if not bigger flaws... But whatever.

hate is a strong feeling .. i dont really hate me3 - its just the plot ...

the plot is not really strong - it is weak, just like the me2 plot was. but the me2 gave us at least an ending, that did not contradict me2 and the series as a whole.

well we found the crude arnold-terminator thing at the end of me2 and it felt wierd. the story was not the best and the focus on was on the characters. the collector plot was just icing.

the story of me3 was not stat bad - ok the macguffin-deus-ex-machina called crucile was crude but it worked and it was the logical conclusion, if you make your enemies to strong to be bet conventionally.
i can live with that - not brilliant but ok.
then the last missions come - cronos station and london. that is the moment, were the story and setting jumps out of the window and common sense is lost. the battle "plan" is so retardet, you could think, that anderson, shepard and coats have never seen a military academy from the inside. rushing blindly towards a heaviliy defended position without using cover? this sounds like france 1914 - and we know how that turned out.

after the "conduit", a player, who payed attention during the other games, is completely "lost in translation". its like a bad trip on mescaline and the rest of the lore jumps out of the window too.

never mind the encounter with tim and the endings itself ... shepard is just bound to blindly obey the catalyst-plot - shep is totally passive (does not even try to talk sense into the catalyst) and the story is not resolved - the very meaning to have an end to a story.


gameplay is important - but in this case, the gameplay becomes subordinate to the plot.

[Mixon]

So do we, but what can we do? just take a pleasure of those 99% of game and close eyes when starkid shows up

[Conniving_Eagle]

Much love, Oransel. You made a wise choice leaving. Bioware/EA/Mass Effect is a sinking ship, and BSN is bad for your health.

"Only fools fight over a burning cottage."

Best of wishes, Conniving Eagle.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Here are my main problems with ME3:

#1 The ME fans SUCK!
#2 The ME fans SUCK!
#3 The ME fans SUCK!
#4 The ME fans need to STFU about the endings.

There, that covers everything.

Modifié par Steelgrave, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

Steelgrave wrote...

Here are my main problems with ME3:

#1 The ME fans SUCK!
#2 The ME fans SUCK!
#3 The ME fans SUCK!
#4 The ME fans need to STFU about the endings.

There, that covers everything.

Yet another example among gazillions that "pro-enders" are driven more by their contempt of the fans than a like of ME3.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[KingZayd]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

Here are my main problems with ME3:

#1 The ME fans SUCK!
#2 The ME fans SUCK!
#3 The ME fans SUCK!
#4 The ME fans need to STFU about the endings.

There, that covers everything.

Yet another example among gazillions that "pro-enders" are driven more by their contempt of the fans than a like of ME3.

Implying that there are gazillions of "pro-enders"...

[Tank207]

David7204 wrote...

I wonder how long people are going to make stupid and whiny complaints that ME 2 and ME 3 ruined 'exploration' when the 'exploration' in ME 1 consisted, as I've said countless times, of driving around on cookie cutter planets looking for rocks. That is not exploration, and the amount of people who constantly shill it as so sure does get tiresome.

I seriously think I spend more time driving around in the Mako than I do progressing with the actual story. As much as I love the first Mass Effect, those sections take too damn long to finish... it makes replaying the game such a chore.<_<

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I would leave, but I'm not yet done telling people how much I disliked the endings, and much of ME3 as a whole.

[yukon fire]

If Bioware can't be a good example, then it will just have to serve as a horrible warning.

[Necrotron]

I thought the game was fantastic. It had some of the most memorable moments of the series. I cried at Mordin's sacrifice. I do think the ending sort of ruins the series and makes me lose interest in replaying two of my favorite games of all time, because it lacks any sense of victory and the catalyst's character is completely absurd and makes the Reapers look like buffoons in their previously epic speeches.

But all in all, there is some amazing crafting, character design, gameplay, dialogue, atmosphere, etc. etc. that made Mass Effect 3 amazing. I was telling everyone it was the new best game of all time until the ending made me want to throw it out the window.

But no, I do not hate Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Bathaius, 26 novembre 2012 - 06:43 .