182 réponses à ce sujet

[N-Seven]

I wish all banner complaints would just die totally. Is this the road we're on now? Whenever someone has an issue with how a banner looks there needs to be a patch or a feature implemented to assuage them? Or else Bioware will be guilty of racism/sexism/favoritism/somekindaism? Or they'll face a possible lawsuit? (That was laughable, whoever suggested that. Yes, a videogame banner lawsuit. One of the stupidest things I've ever read on these forums, and that is saying a lot.)

Modifié par N-Seven, 25 novembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[TODD 5184]

Everyone knows the real shepard is man anyway.

On a serious note, femshep looks like a cheerleader. But my wife plays ME3, so I support the idea of a femshep BotB banner.

[N-Seven]

TODD 5184 wrote...

Everyone knows the real shepard is man anyway.

On a serious note, femshep looks like a cheerleader. But my wife plays ME3, so I support the idea of a femshep BotB banner.

Yep.  Apparantly the poster femshep is a Noxema model who reached the rank of Commander by the age of 18.

[dday3six]

Most of the promo material for the ME series features male Shepard. He's the poster boy for the series.

[MrStoob]

Lack of foresight and/or consideration for the audience by BioWare. Everyone knows us FemSheppers like our FemShep so why stir up the hornets nest by omitting it?

[cowwy]

dday3six wrote...

Most of the promo material for the ME series features male Shepard. He's the poster boy for the series.

If he truly was then they wouldn't have even bothered coming up with a new FemShep design in ME3. I'm of the opinion that it should be both, or neither on the banner.

[IllusiveManJr]

I really hope this FemShep banner doesn't happen. I'm surprised they allowed equal gender choice among the basic Alliance classes.
Edit: inb4mysoginisticpig

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 25 novembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[DullahansXMark]

I would've signed on to this had the default FemShep not been really ugly.

Just saying.

[Mondhase]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

Mondhase wrote...

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

There's not enough female players to warrant making a femshep banner. Why give in to the extreme minority?

Because the vocal minority always wins nowadays. 'Course, we could go back a couple centuries and just behead them. 

 

And what exactly would be so bad about the minority "winning" in this case? I beg you, tell me, because I absolutely fail to see it. The devs would have to invest like 20 minutes to make a new banner and either create a new challenge that gives a femShep banner or find a way to make a "toggle" option for banners or maybe change the existing BoB banner to feature both versions of Shepard.  

Would that really be so horrible? Would you and all the other Neanderthals in this thread cry yourselves to sleep at night, because there is a female counterpart to your beloved broShep?

I've personally never faced any misogyny in my life so far, but the way people are sometimes put down here if they dare to ask for something from a female standpoint on a gamingboard no less, really sickens me.

There isn't anything bad about the minority winning in this instance. I don't believe I ever said such a thing. In fact, if you take the time to go back and read my other response to this thread, you'll find that I've played both genders of Shepard, and am neutral in this debate. I would gladly accept a femshep banner, but don't demand one, and would in fact prefer if shep wasn't even on the banner.
And I agree, it would take the devs very little effort to create one, as seen by regular forumites already having done so. The trick is in implementing it. If it can be done with balance changes, great, if not, it needs a patch, which costs resources and takes forever for the devs to release.
Off topic (compared to the banner) is that I don't particularly enjoy being called a Neanderthal, especially seeing as I never stated anything offensive to you or women in general, and therefore don't see the what warrants it. If you want your argument to be taken seriously, don't insult people. Be happy I that I can actually present a coherent response, and not more insults to counter you.
Back on topic, I would not cry myself to sleep if broshep had a femshep counterpart. As said, I am neutral, and while having both on the banner would be best for all, I'd prefer neither to be on it.
It's good that you haven't encountered mysogyny. Now return the favour. I take you seriously about this, but from some of the responses, most don't seem to. Be a bit more polite, and don't immediately think we're all being sexist. If I come across as rude with that, I apologize, I'm just trying to provide advice. As for the female standpoint being put down, it doesn't really happen unless it devolves into the current kind of debate. I personally think it's because female gamers are in the minority, and as such the average male gamer is unprepared to deliver a proper response.

Was that the kind of speach you wanted? I hope you read that a bit more openly than you did my little joke that started all this.

 

blaaaaaaaaaarg, I do actually think that I have to apologize to you, for putting my little rant in a response to you, when it was rather directed to this entire thread in general.  I read your post that you are neutral in this debate and should have clarified my response accordingly, sorry about that. I guess it was more  theillusiveman11's original post you quoted that rubbed me the wrong way and sort of the insinuation that if femShep ever were to be included in a banner, it would not be because she deserves it, but rather because her fans screamed loud enough, and that's not really fair IMO. 

If you read my previous post to this topic, though, you will also have seen that aside from the "Neanderthal" remark, I have been very polite about it, unlike some other posters here. 

Just a short abstract of what I'm talking about: 

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Majority plays maleshep You live in a democracy I assume, therefore majority decides.

Deal with it, insufficient organic.

 

mrcanada wrote...
No because Shepard is and will always be male. He started male, is promoted male, is male. 

Draining Dragon wrote...
Well, considering the femshep in ME3 looks like she's a teenager with terrible acne....

I'm glad it shows the male shep.

Radwar wrote...
Sheploo is canon, always has been, since the very beginning, deal with it and stop whining like a little girl.

  

If the BoB banner cannot be changed, or if it would be a huge hassle then I don't really mind. Hell, as someone else said, they should have just put Garrus on it, I'd be fine with that. It's not so much the banner itself that ticks me off so much, but just the huge resistance against it, that in most cases is not justified by the question of programming, but simply argues from a standpoint of majority and that doing anything for the (I guess female) minority that plays femShep is a waste of time on it's own. 

[EDIT: dem quotebubbles...]

Modifié par Mondhase, 25 novembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[MacGarrus]

Ziegrif wrote...

Well the acronym is Bob after all.
Never heard of a gal named Bob.

Well there was a Ken in Zone of the Enders 2 who was a lady so... Not out of the question!

[UWxMaserati]

Heavy risk... but the prize

[Zkyire]

Mondhase wrote...

And what exactly would be so bad about the minority "winning" in this case? I beg you, tell me, because I absolutely fail to see it. The devs would have to invest like 20 minutes to make a new banner and either create a new challenge that gives a femShep banner or find a way to make a "toggle" option for banners or maybe change the existing BoB banner to feature both versions of Shepard.  

Would that really be so horrible? Would you and all the other Neanderthals in this thread cry yourselves to sleep at night, because there is a female counterpart to your beloved broShep?

I've personally never faced any misogyny in my life so far, but the way people are sometimes put down here if they dare to ask for something from a female standpoint on a gamingboard no less, really sickens me.

In Ireland, an unmarried father has no inherent legal rights to their biological children. A case of misandry, and it sickens me.
This is about a bloody picture in a computer game. Find something that matters.

Edited because subsequent poster pointed put post was misread.

Modifié par Zkyire, 25 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Just remember people, it's just a banner in a video game.

[GuyBlade]

MacGarrus wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

Well the acronym is Bob after all.
Never heard of a gal named Bob.

Well there was a Ken in Zone of the Enders 2 who was a lady so... Not out of the question!

Also, Blackadder 2 and Blackadder 4 both had a woman named Bob.

Modifié par GuyBlade, 25 novembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[cowwy]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Sec-STG wrote...

Heck it took two games to get Liara's number. I would actually prefer no encounters of any kind, they are all slighty creepy. I just want a FemShep BoB Banner. It just seems so completely obvious that there would be one. I mean...C'mon, man.

Majority plays maleshep You live in a democracy I assume, therefore majority decides.

Deal with it, insufficient organic.

I don't mean to be rude but as I live in a democracy I feel it is my duty to say this: do you know what the flip side of majority rule is?




Minority rights.

[Eriseley]

People don't like the femshep voice actor?

[Eriseley]

Zkyire wrote...

In Ireland, an unmarried father has no inherent legal rights to their biological children. A case of misandry, and it sickens me.

Not getting a femshep banner in a computer game sickens you.

No, the posts here sicken her, that was fairly clearly what was meant.

[Blarg]

Double post.

Modifié par blaaaaaaaaaarg, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Blarg]

Mondhase wrote...

*Quote snip*

blaaaaaaaaaarg, I do actually think that I have to apologize to you, for putting my little rant in a response to you, when it was rather directed to this entire thread in general.  I read your post that you are neutral in this debate and should have clarified my response accordingly, sorry about that. I guess it was more  theillusiveman11's original post you quoted that rubbed me the wrong way and sort of the insinuation that if femShep ever were to be included in a banner, it would not be because she deserves it, but rather because her fans screamed loud enough, and that's not really fair IMO. 

If you read my previous post to this topic, though, you will also have seen that aside from the "Neanderthal" remark, I have been very polite about it, unlike some other posters here. 

Just a short abstract of what I'm talking about: 

*Quote snip*

Apology accepted, and no hard feelings. Anyways, had the banner originally included femshep, it would be because she deserves it, and she still does deserve to be part of the banner. However, since it wasn't originally implemented, if it does get changed it will most likely be at least partly due to her fans wanting it done, in the same way that the SP ending was changed, though not to as large a scale. And while no, that isn't fair, and yes, you're right about it, that's the way I see it as being.
I have read most of your posts, as well as most of other people's, and yes, you have been fairly polite. The insult just skewed your argument, and I thought I'd point it out.
That said, there are some posters on here that could be a bit nicer about how they say things. <_<

Modifié par blaaaaaaaaaarg, 26 novembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Zaizer]

Airealite wrote...

Mondhase wrote...

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

There's not enough female players to warrant making a femshep banner. Why give in to the extreme minority?

Because the vocal minority always wins nowadays. 'Course, we could go back a couple centuries and just behead them. 

 

And what exactly would be so bad about the minority "winning" in this case? I beg you, tell me, because I absolutely fail to see it. The devs would have to invest like 20 minutes to make a new banner and either create a new challenge that gives a femShep banner or find a way to make a "toggle" option for banners or maybe change the existing BoB banner to feature both versions of Shepard.  

Would that really be so horrible? Would you and all the other Neanderthals in this thread cry yourselves to sleep at night, because there is a female counterpart to your beloved broShep?

I've personally never faced any misogyny in my life so far, but the way people are sometimes put down here if they dare to ask for something from a female standpoint on a gamingboard no less, really sickens me.

Oh my God, just be quiet. Let's take a step back and get a glimpse of reality. I don't think women have ever been treated as equally as they're being treated in this day and age. You may argue that you're still not being treated fairly, fine. But how about fighting against actual discrimination, instead of a banner in a freakin' video game? A banner showing a guy instead of a woman is sexist, all of a sudden? Please. That kind of reasoning is probably why more people don't take feminists seriously.

You. I like you.

[Boretsky]

an SP character should never of been featured on a MP banner, especially one who's appearance is subject to change based on player choice. If they really wanted Shepard to be the focus of the BotB banner, it should have been his/her dogtags or something else that doesn't identify with only a certain percentage of the player base.

and for those throwing out stats about 80% of people playing as BroShep, does it say how much of that 80% played as default shep? Because I never used default shep in any of my playthroughs so this banner is as meaningless to me as all the femshep folks.

The point isn't its sexism, it's identifying Shepard as the hero of the series, and for many people default shep holds no meaning, even more so for those who think of Commander Shepard as a woman. Which is why this thread exists.

[DarkseidXIII]

Maybe it should've been Shepherd 's damaged N7 helm or dog tags

[Descy_]

Airealite wrote...

My face when people won't stop talking in this thread

tyty, saved for future use.

[Mondhase]

DarkseidXIII wrote...

Maybe it should've been Shepherd 's damaged N7 helm or dog tags

Yeah, I guess that would have been better. As Boretsky said, "Commander Shepard" means something different to every player, far beyond gender differences and a more neutral banner would have been more appropriate. I was actually prettty surprised when I saw that the lone wolf banner featured Shepard. As a big chunk of gameplay in all games, but especially ME2 has focused on assembling a crew, Shepard is not exactly the first one who comes to mind when I think of a lone wolf. 

BoB makes kinda sense, just going by how completely OP Shepard feels when you go from MP back to SP, but I'd have prefered a more neutral depiction. 

[Shinobu]

Boretsky wrote...

an SP character should never of been featured on a MP banner, especially one who's appearance is subject to change based on player choice. If they really wanted Shepard to be the focus of the BotB banner, it should have been his/her dogtags or something else that doesn't identify with only a certain percentage of the player base.

and for those throwing out stats about 80% of people playing as BroShep, does it say how much of that 80% played as default shep? Because I never used default shep in any of my playthroughs so this banner is as meaningless to me as all the femshep folks.

The point isn't its sexism, it's identifying Shepard as the hero of the series, and for many people default shep holds no meaning, even more so for those who think of Commander Shepard as a woman. Which is why this thread exists.

80% used a custom face instead of Sheploo.