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[Aoiki]

I would personally like to see a companion that is racially a Qunari female (or male, for that matter) who was raised outside of the Qun (through whatever tragic back story one might imagine).  Considering the way that such a person would be perceived, both by the Qunari and those outside the Qun, they could provide a very interesting set of interactions.  Having such a character as a love interest would not only allow the player to get to know the character in a more intimate way, it would also provide what I think would be a very interesting contrast between the character and their peers who were raised within the Qun. 

[CaptainBlackGold]

This is an interesting way to approach this issue.

Personally though I would like to know whether the "Flying Cheese Wheels" (as per Mr. G.'s suggestion) approach to marriage and family is something inherent within their biology, or a product of their culture. A romance would be the logical place to explore that.

Your suggestion would answer that question though the first time a flirt option came up. If the reason is biology, the answer would be a Sten-like "No," and "game over, man, game over."

If it was simply Qunari customs/culture, then they would respond to you like any other potential LI since not being raised in Qunari culture, one would assume they would regard relationships like everyone else. If that were the case, then personally I see no purpose to the romance...

Granted, being a "horned giant" raised in a human/elvish/dwarf culture might mean that even if it was biologically possible to have "our" kind of emotional/physical attachments, they might never have had the opportunity until our character came along. That might be interesting to explore.

[Aoiki]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Granted, being a "horned giant" raised in a human/elvish/dwarf culture might mean that even if it was biologically possible to have "our" kind of emotional/physical attachments, they might never have had the opportunity until our character came along. That might be interesting to explore.

That's actually the reason that I think that such a relationship would be interesting.  I'd have to agree that if the only thing to differentiate them from another character with a similar background was their race, there wouldn't be much point to it. 

[Aoiki]

Any other views on this? I'm interested to hear what people have to say.

[Treacherous J Slither]

A Kossith raised outside the Qun would give us your typical "nobody wuvs meh" sob story. Not interested.

I'd rather the character be a female Kossith that left the Qun so that she could be respected as a warrior or a Kossith mage that escaped bondage and wants to fight for mage rights. Or even a Tal'Vashoth rogue that wants to see the Qunari destroyed.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Wow someone else out there was thinking the same way I was.It would be interesting a Kossith child found by a human,elven or possibly even a dwarven couple who decided to raise him or her as one of their own.But is made an outcast due to their appearance.As a result they become a loner and is very cautious,cold,and suspicious of everybody.Except for the family who were kind enough to raise them.Only when they meet up with our Hero(whoever that may be)and after countless days of travel and fighting by each others side do they begin to open up and trust you and feel a connection with you.Wether it be friendship or love is entirely up to you

[Aoiki]

JSlither wrote...

A Kossith raised outside the Qun would give us your typical "nobody wuvs meh" sob story. Not interested.

Not necessarily, I wouldn't think.  It's one possible path, I suppose.  Whether you like the direction they take or not, however, Bioware has consistently shown themselves to be exceptional writers capable of deep character development.  I doubt that the best that they would come up with would be this.

[Aoiki]

Rojahar wrote...
I'm curious why the character needs to be female though.

It doesn't, really   I think that the concept art for the females of the species is interesting, so I'd like to see how it translates into the game world.  That having been said, I would be just as happy to see this in a male Qunari (I do hesitate to use the word Kossith, considering what Bioware has said about the term in the past)

[Han Yolo]

But we all heard the banter between Sten and Morrigan. Out of deference to the hero's health it should be a chaste romance.

[DarkDragon777]

I'm sorry to tell you that the Qun possess little depth beyond the Qun.

[Auintus]

 I just want another Qunari, Tal-vashoth or no. Sten and the Arishok give us a glimpse into what the Qun is like, I'd like to know more. Having them be a romance option would just give another perspective. Hell, you could have it play like Samara from ME2.  I was confused as hell when she said no.

[Imp of the Perverse]

It'll be interesting to see what role the Qunari play in DA3. They didn't have much to do with the overarching plot in DA2 other than maybe contributing to the destabilization of Kirkwall, and giving Hawke a claim to fame. I could see them either being pushed into the background entirely in DA3 (for the moment), or complicating things by taking advantage of the civil war to start their invasion.

Either way, their extreme stance on mages means any Qunari characters you interact with are probably going to have a strong opinion on anything related to the mage rebellion, so it'd be worth having a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth mage, for the opposite perspective) companion along just for that.

[xsdob]

I'd rather have a qunari who is either a tal-vasoth or a practicing qunari as a love interest, much more complicated with room for character development.


A vasoth raised by humans who never learned about the qun would, quite frankly, not really be a quanri at all, just a human with weird skin and horns. Her role would lose it's uniqueness even in universe, and would be able to be substituted for any storyline of "I'm different but just like you" character, like merril or anders or even fenris.

I want a character who you would need to work for to romance, not just be like "oh there there, it's alright. I'm here for you my fragile little precious princess darling." and than get the romance that way.

Modifié par xsdob, 24 novembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[Aoiki]

xsdob wrote...

I'd rather have a qunari who is either a tal-vasoth or a practicing qunari as a love interest, much more complicated with room for character development.


A vasoth raised by humans who never learned about the qun would, quite frankly, not really be a quanri at all, just a human with weird skin and horns. Her role would lose it's uniqueness even in universe, and would be able to be substituted for any storyline of "I'm different but just like you" character, like merril or anders or even fenris.

I want a character who you would need to work for to romance, not just be like "oh there there, it's alright. I'm here for you my fragile little precious princess darling." and than get the romance that way.

That's interesting.  A couple of different people have mentioned that they don't think that a Qunari raised outside of the Qun would be any different than any other racially disenfranchised character, but I'm not sure that I agree.  Even in DA:O, such characters differed in interesting and complex ways.  For example (and my apologies if I am somehow spoiling anyone), Zevran had a very interesting perspective on the dalish due to his mother's origin, and their ideals weren't even central to the plot.  It would be a bit of a stretch, though, to say that these influences were pretty much the same as those that a surface raised dwarf might experience.

Also, I'm hearing people say in a couple of differen't ways that they think such a character would be somehow wishy washy, but why would that have to be the case?  There's nothing to say that a muscular horned giant couldn't be hardcore, even without the Qun as a developmental influence.

Modifié par Aoiki, 24 novembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[Jonata]

Having every interesting character as a Love Interest is kind of boring to me. Great characters like Sten and Shale were never, ever meant to be possible romances and yet knowing them and become friends with them was difficult, interesting and rewarding enough.

I believe that there should be characters meant for a romantic relationship that actually adds to the "soft" side of the story, and "unique" characters that are not suppose to fall in love with our character exactly because of them being so different from us.

I know that "angst" couples always have a lot of fans, but fanfiction-y things never work in proper writing if you ask me.

[Aoiki]

Jonata wrote...
I know that "angst" couples always have a lot of fans, but fanfiction-y things never work in proper writing if you ask me.

I'm not against the idea of this character just being a companion and not a LI, but why would such a relationship have to be angsty? 

Modifié par Aoiki, 24 novembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

If BioWare has any plans, they're not going to say. We'll have to wait until the Spring for any news on companions.

[nightscrawl]

Rojahar wrote...

Every archetype and story has been done before.

True, but that doesn't meant we can't find a particular archetype boring or annoying.

I'm curious why the character needs to be female though.

You missed the part where "she could be respected as a warrior." You could say the same for a male qunari who wants to be a priest or a farmer, or really anyone who was not satisfied with their assigned role. These types would all be Tal-Vashoth though, which would be far different from the OP's suggestion of a qunari raised outside of the Qun's influence.

For the most part I'm a believer of nurture over nature when it comes to interacting with other people in society (unless you were born a psychopath or something). I also believe that most behavior can be unlearned or changed. Other than some psychological issues stemming from looking so very different, I don't see any reason a racial qunari (this is a good term btw, nice substitute for kossith) would behave anything at all like those followers of the Qun if they were not raised so.

Consider the vulcans from Star Trek. They are not devoid of emotions, they simply are taught to repress and control them. Generations of this has not produced vulcans who have no feelings, it is simply a facet of their culture.

[upsettingshorts]

What's different?

This seems like every argument on the subject ever.

[Dhiro]

I'd like a Qunari LI because I think they're hot.

[Aoiki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What's different?

This seems like every argument on the subject ever.

Most of the takes on the subject that I've seen have been focused on Qunari or Tal, but not someone born outside of the Qun.  Also, a lot of the arguments amount to, "that would be hot," on one side and, "oh great, another horned giant fetishist," on the other.  If I missed someone else making this same point and am simply rehashing old arguments, I offer my apologies

[Aoiki]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

If BioWare has any plans, they're not going to say. We'll have to wait until the Spring for any news on companions.

I'm aware   This is more an attempt to explore a possibility.  Also, I am holding onto the hope that reasoned discussion will entice Mr. Gaider or one of the other devs into joining in.