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[Cerbrus operative]

If Shepard romanced Tali in ME2, he gets to see her face and know what Quarians should look like, but when he enters the geth consensus in ME3 he sees memories of masked quarians from 300 years ago (quarians didn't wear masks at that time),

When Shepard asks Legion why are the quarians masked, he tells him that processed their memories by using his own and when Shepard tells him that he's seen a quarian before Legion responds by saying.

"Your Perception of That Creator Does Not Map to Our Historical Data"


I honestly don't know what to make of that sentence, this may sound stupid but does that mean that the quarians used to have different faces 300 years ago? if not then please help me understands what this sentance means.

[Kaos_Scorpio]

I think he means "I don't know why then" in Geth.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Because if your memories of Tali with her suit off got mapped onto this history lesson it would be awkward for everyone involved.

[DeinonSlayer]

Bioware didn't care to make a character model for an unsuited Quarian. You'll notice one of the soldiers in the 300-year-old "footage" is using Xen's pistol, too - the one that was introduced to you as a recently-invented prototype on the Dreadnought mission.

Why they chose to re-use that particular asset I question. There are plenty of other pistols they could have used which would have existed back then. I question if you can believe everything you're shown in there.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[Jamie9]

You're so in love with Tali, that you perceive her to be more beautiful than the average Quarian. Therefore, your perception of her face does not map to any other Quarian's face.

And no, I actually romanced Liara. But the above sentence sort of makes a strange amount of sense to me.

[MegaSovereign]

That's why.

[Ozzy]

Calinstel wrote...

BW did not take the time to create a 3D model of both male and female quarians.

Yep.

[DeinonSlayer]

Calinstel wrote...

BW did not take the time to create a 3D model of both male and female quarians.

All they had to do was lift another picture off GettyImages and draw some lines on it.

[Ultranovae]

Laziness, laziness everywhere.

[Omega2079]

Shepard knows what Tali looks like. Every other quarian is masked. That's how Shepard knows the others.

He hasn't seen what males look like. He hasn't seen any variation of their appearance.

[davidshooter]

It's pretty silly that Quarians aren't known to everyone in the galaxy in the general sense of what they look like.

Are there no medical books detailing medical procedures and physiology?
No merc ever pulled the helmet off a Quarian he killed in combat and took a picture?
Quarians don't ever take pictures of themselves in a sterile enviroment to give to each other?
etc. etc. etc.

[xsdob]

Legion said it was becasue you only saw tali without her suit on. So pretty much you would be seeing every single quarian in the cut-scenes look like tali.

Would be funny, but wouldn't really be all that easy to convey which quarians were which. And you may say that it's an excuse, but than agian almost everything in all three games were excuses, or is garrus being loyal really suppose to somehow translate to him becoming bullet proof on the suicide mission?

Either accept that some things are excuses, or don't and spend your entire time trying to figure out why your squadmates couldn't defend kaidan and get him on the normandy, why loyalty gives you more plot armor, why you aren't allowed to postpone the reaper IFF until your ready and instead have to do it whenever the cutscene plays, and why if nobody is helping joker shot collectors at the end of ME2 and couldn't just, ya know, pull shepard up if both his squadmates died.

[xsdob]

davidshooter wrote...

It's pretty silly that Quarians aren't known to everyone in the galaxy in the general sense of what they look like.

Are there no medical books detailing medical procedures and physiology?
No merc ever pulled the helmet off a Quarian he killed in combat and took a picture?
Quarians don't ever take pictures of themselves in a sterile enviroment to give to each other?
etc. etc. etc.

In the books, yes they do in fact do most of those things, except the sterile enviroment thing, that they don't tend to do since taking off your suit even in such a situation where it's perfectly safe is a massive cultural taboo.

In the games though, this isn't the case, probably just becaue we don't spend that much time with any quarians except one.

[Rip504]

If you only ever seen a single human,could you describe the human race as a whole? I doubt it. One image is not enough to perceive a multitude of potential variances in appearances.

Example. Most of us can describe a specific female Quarian. How many of us can describe a Male Quarian or any other Quarian in such a way? Could you describe a human female using only a Human male as an example? The slight differences?

Modifié par Rip504, 24 novembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Saints_]

Bioware has all around been great with lore in this series, /sarcasm. Believe me I could list so many lore errors its not even funny.

Not surprised they made another.

Modifié par Saints_, 24 novembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[Volc19]

Rip504 wrote...

If you only ever seen a single human,could you describe the human race as a whole? I doubt it. One image is not enough to perceive a multitude of potential variances in appearances.

Example. Most of us can describe a specific female Quarian. How many of us can describe a Male Quarian or any other Quarian in such a way? Could you describe a human female using only a Human male as an example? The slight differences?

Right. If all somone got to gauge humans on was Zaeed, they wouldn't have the most accurate image of us as a species.

What if Tali is the Zaeed of the Quarians?

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Bioware didn't care to make a character model for an unsuited Quarian. You'll notice one of the soldiers in the 300-year-old "footage" is using Xen's pistol, too - the one that was introduced to you as a recently-invented prototype on the Dreadnought mission.

Why they chose to re-use that particular asset I question.

Because it's the only quarian-specific pistol Shepard's ever seen.

[MACharlie1]

If I recall, the original beta of this mission was that Shepard was supposed to be able to interact with virtual unmasked Quarians as well.

[o Ventus]

MACharlie1 wrote...

If I recall, the original beta of this mission was that Shepard was supposed to be able to interact with virtual unmasked Quarians as well.

This would have pleased me.

So of course, it doesn't happen.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I honestly role played this my first time through the game and saw the Geth Consensus as pure pro-Geth propaganda lies because of those images. The Quarians should have been without suits. I don't care what Legion said. So he was set up. That was enough not to trust them. Bioware laziness or not.

(Sorry Bioware, no excuses for putting out an incomplete game. You doomed the Geth.)

[xsdob]

I'm not following with the geth propoganda. How is what he showed you any different that what tali said in ME1? The geth gained sentience, the quarians tried to destroy them, first with a shutdown order than through physical means, and than the geth started to fight back.

Propaganda, from how I've seen the term used and not it's actual dictionary meaning, usually implies that the information is 100% falsified and is usually the opposite of what actually happened. The geth consensus didn't appear to show that, and goes along with what tali said in ME1.

Just becasue it doesn't look good for the quarians doesn't mean it's propoganda, it just means that the facts don't look good for them becasue what they did was pretty bad. Understandable from their point of view of trying to stop what could be a disaster waiting to happen and putting the needs of the many ahead of the geth sympathizers, but still messed up.

Modifié par xsdob, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[grey_wind]

xsdob wrote...

I'm not following with the geth propoganda. How is what he showed you any different that what tali said in ME1? The geth gained sentience, the quarians tried to destroy them, first with a shutdown order than through physical means, and than the geth started to fight back.

Propaganda, from how I've seen the term used and not it's actual dictionary meaning, usually implies that the information is 100% falsified and is usually the opposite of what actually happened. The geth consensus didn't appear to show that, and goes along with what tali said in ME1.

Just becasue it doesn't look good for the quarians doesn't mean it's propoganda, it just means that the facts don't look good for them becasue what they did was pretty bad. Understandable from their point of view of trying to stop what could be a disaster waiting to happen and putting the needs of the many ahead of the geth sympathizers, but still messed up.

It's propaganda because it completely sweeps what the Geth did in retaliation under the rug. Legion doesn't once mention the fact that the Geth bombed Rannoch with so many biological weapons as to make it uninhabitable, nor does he bring up the fact that the Geth wiped out 99% of the Quarian population. In a nutshell, the Geth consensus mission presents a very biased and one-sided view of how the Morning War went down.