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[BouncyFrag]

Rojahar wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Isn't rape already used as a plot device, back in DAO with the city elf origin? And isn't it more or less implied that templars raping mages is a regular occurrence?

People are like "OMG! I would never go near a game that has anything to do with rape!" on the DA forums? Wasn't "We're so dark and edgy, we have rock music in our trailers and rape in our origins!" part the DAO ad campaign?

Overreaction much? Some people don't want to see the game turn into a rape simulator.

Overreaction how, specifically? My questioning and mocking people who say they wouldn't go near a game that even mentions rape, yet are on a forum devoted to a series which has regularly done so? DAO was a rape simulator to you, and I'm the one overreacting...?

The OP didn't say there should be some interactive minigame, or even a scene, but just dealing with the topic or fallout of the event... kind of like... DAO.

I think mocking people for not liking rape is well within the realm of 'overreaction.'

[upsettingshorts]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
There's a fantastic post in a similar thread that I think ought to be repeated every time the subject comes up:

Vandicus wrote...
A setting where, all else being equal, the denizens are not sexist, is one with more mature characters than a setting where the characters are sexist. Likewise a setting where people solve their problems without violence and lacking in racism would be more mature than one without those things.

>implying that sexism and violence are somehow immature

I wouldn't imply that.

I'd explicitly state it, going so far as to repeat it several times to ensure there is no mistaking where I stand on the issue.

Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.

See?

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
There's a fantastic post in a similar thread that I think ought to be repeated every time the subject comes up:

Vandicus wrote...
A setting where, all else being equal, the denizens are not sexist, is one with more mature characters than a setting where the characters are sexist. Likewise a setting where people solve their problems without violence and lacking in racism would be more mature than one without those things.

>implying that sexism and violence are somehow immature

I wouldn't imply that.

I'd explicitly state it, going so far as to repeat it several times to ensure there is no mistaking where I stand on the issue.

Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.
Sexism and violence are immature.

See?

In that case, we can all be glad you're not the one writing the game.

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...

In that case, we can all be glad you're not the one writing the game.

Speak for yourself.

That way you won't drag anyone else down to your level who doesn't themselves deserve it.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:35 .

[Mike_Neel]

Honestly I'd rather not see a graphic rape scene happening to my character or another. It's one thing to imply that humans take advantage of elves or Orlesian Chevallier (sp?) take advantage of peasant women. I'd just rather not see that scene take place please.

As for racism I'd like to see it evolve further in the games. Origins did a great job setting up racism and even classism but it was mostly forgotten in DAII outside of a few mentions. I'd have liked a scene where if you have Merrill or Fenris in your party someone in High Town confronts them and the game gives you the option to stand up for them, or let it go on if that's how you role.

[BouncyFrag]

Rojahar wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Remember, they didn't actually think DA:O was a "rape simulator." They just don't like it in their games. You're the one that introduced that term.

No, he said:

BouncyFrag wrote...

Overreaction much? Some people don't want to see the game turn into a rape simulator.

in reaction to the OP asking for the topic of raping existing in the plot. The OP didn't ask for quick-time-events in which you're raping people or anything. The OP didn't ask for anything more than what DAO both delivered and yes, even did advertise. I think its ridiculous when someone accuses the OP of liking rape and suggesting anyone who doesn't like rape should be against the OP.

I wasn't referring to DAO as a rape simulator. You made that assumption on your own.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[BouncyFrag]

Rojahar wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

I wasn't referring DAO as a rape simulator. You made that assumption on your own.

Where was ANYONE suggesting the game should be a rape simulator? What were you hysterically accusing of being a rape simulator, or leading to it? The OP hasn't suggested anything not covered in DAO, so where's this "rape simular" you speak of? If the OP is so abhorrent, what's your opinion of the DAO writers?

Hysterical? I just made a comment. I'm sorry if peoples sensibilties about rape are so upsetting. This discussion is pointless.

[Teddie Sage]

Could a moderator fix my OCD and correct Difficult in the title, please?

[C9316]

Todd Akin would have a field day here..

[slimgrin]

C9316 wrote...

Todd Akin would have a field day here..

Lol, no kidding.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Sexism and violence are immature.

Riiiight...

Because maturity is completely independent of cultural norms. It is defined by what you find to be desirable.

[Foolsfolly]

@ Allan Schumacher

Why "particularly female?" Rape towarsd men or women is horrific. I personally think it'd be much more interesting, if we were to touch on a subject like this and try to explore it in a mature and unique way, would be to explore it from a perspective of a male that is the victim. In fact, a not insignificant part of me would like to see this avenue only explored towards a male PC. Mostly just as a personal experiment to see how much people truly want to explore these types of dark themes, and what it's like to be a victim and to be powerless to do anything about it (i.e. the opportunity for revenge just never happens). The cynic in me, however, suspects that this would not be as well received.

Yeah. That would not go well.

[frag971]

efrgfhnm wrote...

Surely if the writers at BioWare wrote a believable, interesting character, and they thought that adding one of those "dark" themes to their backstory would add to the character as a whole and give them an additional dimension to their personality, rather than just making this addition gratuitous or an attempt to seem dark or risque, then they should.
Otherwise, Dragon Age already includes many adult themes, and since the Mage/Templar conflict is going to be central and that focuses on discrimination and borderline slavery - especially in the case of the Qunari - it doesn't seem necessary to add even more just to try and push boundaries for the sake of pushing boundaries...

This. The most important part is making sure it makes sense and use such themes for the story, not make up a story just to include these themes. However I have faith that Bioware can do this right.

On a side note i should've phrased my OP abit better, which only goes to show that a couple misplaced words within such topics can generate an acute reaction from others which is perfectly understandable.

[Dabrikishaw]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Both DA:O and DA2 touch upon basically all of these things already, including dozens if not hundreds of other complex topics including corruption of authority, mental illness, social justice, slavery, etc etc etc everything you can name.

So.. what are you asking for?