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[GreyLycanTrope]

xsdob wrote...

Why do people not like stargazer?

Some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard. Also not fond of the possible implications of "The Shepard".

[spirosz]

The Catalyst reminds me of The Rock -

[Falcon084]

Aiyie wrote...

daecath wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...

A lot of people ay he can't be trusted, or they mention Vigil, or a number of 10000 theories, but with the Extended Addition it doesn't matter because we know what happens next!
What do you know he was telling the truth

It matters because SHEPARD doesn't know. Unless Shepard has magically gained the power to see the future, then "we know what happens next" is called metagaming - using information available to the player, that the character wouldn't have, in order to make a character decision. Those of us that care about our characters and the experience of playing the game through the character, still have to believe that the catalyst is a liar, and thus refuse is the only reasonable option. Unless you like the idea of your Shepard committing suicide because his enemy tells him to.

and refuse is the only ending that shows you the catalyst's true nature.

don't worry, our benevolent catalyst overlord is there to help and protect you... until you refuse to do as you're told at least.

If what you are saying is true then there is no hope in any outcome:
In destruction the cycle will one day begin anew.
In synthesis we are pawns.
In Control Shep will take his place and might become an opressor.

Besides if you are right then ME4 would be next to impossible as a sequel.

Something everyone is forgetting is the fact that if you wan't synthesis you need the most EMS. This is the type of thing you get in most games with a multiple endings, get the most "what ever" for the best ending.

[m2iCodeJockey]

Falcon084 wrote...
If what you are saying is true then there is no hope in any outcome:
In destruction the cycle will one day begin anew.
In synthesis we are pawns.
In Control Shep will take his place and might become an opressor.

That is why, as it is, the end is not well liked.

In Synthesis, the galaxy is less than pawns. They are homogenized drones.

In Control, think back to ME2:Illium. While assaulting the Eclipse, in their home, did Shepard ask a single person a question? Did she even ask Wasea anything? Shepard is the wrong mind to give that much power.

They really did design a game than cannot be won. No matter what you do, everything worth caring about has no real effect on the outcome.
There's no payoff.

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Falcon084]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...
If what you are saying is true then there is no hope in any outcome:
In destruction the cycle will one day begin anew.
In synthesis we are pawns.
In Control Shep will take his place and might become an opressor.

That is why, as it is, the end is not well liked.

In Synthesis, the galaxy is less than pawns. They are homogenized drones.

In Control, think back to ME2:Illium. While assaulting the Eclipse, in their home, did Shepard ask a single person a question? Did she even ask Wasea anything? Shepard is the wrong mind to give that much power.

They really did design a game than cannot be won. No matter what you do, everything worth caring about has no real effect on the outcome.
There's no payoff.

I'm still undecided at least untill we hear something about ME4 rom bioware.
And what of the other part of my post?

[m2iCodeJockey]

Falcon084 wrote...
And what of the other part of my post?

If you refuse, this is undone by the post-credits scene effectively saying "If you didn't like this, someone else will so, FU."
If you destroy, the sympathetic characters all die.
So, what was the point of playing? Why play from the beginning knowing where the story fails to go?

Going back to the OP, it matters because Ghostie speaks in absolutes. It began killing people based on an assumption on a subject it had no experience to test. Picking any of its solutions is submitting to the lack of reason.

It was the one character that needed to die horribly because, if it is being sincere, it is the only truly evil character in the entire third story.

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[Falcon084]

Why would the Reapers make drones do this?

[Kawamura]

Falcon084 wrote...

Why would the Reapers make drones do this?

Because drawing a new slide to show "Wrex, Eve alive, Genophage cured" would be a pain in the ass?

[m2iCodeJockey]

Falcon084 wrote...
Why would the Reapers make drones do this?
*snip*

The lack of appearance of control does not mean there is a lack of control.

The Crucible discharge is shown having an effect right down to the molecular level. Easily, a setup for nimda on everyone and everything.

[Falcon084]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...
Why would the Reapers make drones do this?
*snip*

The lack of appearance of control does not mean there is a lack of control.

The Crucible discharge is shown having an effect right down to the molecular level. Easily, a setup for nimda on everyone and everything.

EDI -  I am alive. All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed. The war is over, and the Reapers are helping to rebuild. Where once they threatened us with extinction, they now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before. As a galaxy, we can now live the lives we have wished for; taking our steps into a new and wonderful future, where organics and synthetics can coexist peacefully. With peace across the galaxy and unlimited access to knowledge, to recover the greatness that was lost, and surpass it. We will reclaim our worlds...and the stars. As the line between synthetic and organic disappears, we may transcend mortality itself, to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine. And we will remember that this chance for a new life did not come without cost. No matter how far we advance, we will remember the sacrifices of those who made it possible. And we will remember Shepard. Because of him/her, I am alive, and I am not alone.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

[Falcon084]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

Not according to EDI.

[Kawamura]

Falcon084 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

Not according to EDI.

EDI essentially echoes every Repear speech ever given. 

If the galaxy as a whole isn't a Reaper, then they've become something so similar to them that they read from the same script. 

[essarr71]

Millions of people fighting against the Reapers overnight accepting them.

You say, "synthesis grants a higher knowledge". I ask, "whose knowledge?"

[teh DRUMPf!!]

essarr71 wrote...

Millions of people fighting against the Reapers enemy overnight accepting them.

That doesn't bother players about Rannoch if peace is brokered.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 24 novembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Falcon084 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

Not according to EDI.

Nor was TIM according to TIM.
Remember people saying things like: "Thematically revolting." There was a reason for that.

Imagine you are standing and waiting for a bus. No one is there with you until a person, walking by, walks up and hands you a phone.
You didn't ask for the phone and the call is not for you. You hand the phone back.

Two weeks later, you get a $30,000 phone bill. "I don't even have a phone!!" you exclaim.
You call and an operator asks: "Weren't you holding a phone at the corner of 13th and Lenox on November 24th?"
"Yeah but, that wasn't my phone or my call!!"
"You were where the phone was and now you've admitted to possessing the phone so, we are now authorized to [take all of your sh** if you don't pay.]"
"But I just said it was NOT my phone. Someone yada, yada... It sounded like [game tips,] I handed it back!!"
"So you DID listen to the service so, you are liable for the bill..."
"WTF!!!"

That's Synthesis: Shepard sticks the galaxy with the bill for Ghostie's humanities experiment.
It doesn't matter that you didn't ask for [game tips,] you are still going to lose your stuff or pay a lawyer some of your stuff in an attempt to save the rest of your stuff.
It also means EDI and EVERYONE ELSE are now painfully aware of when you are sitting in the restroom...

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 24 novembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[essarr71]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Millions of people fighting against the Reapers enemy overnight accepting them.

That doesn't bother players about Rannoch if peace is brokered.

Top notch logic there.

The example is also incorrect, as they talk about things being tense, but off to a good start.

Modifié par essarr71, 24 novembre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Argolas]

essarr71 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Millions of people fighting against the Reapers enemy overnight accepting them.

That doesn't bother players about Rannoch if peace is brokered.

Top notch logic there.

The example is also incorrect, as they talk about things being tense, but off to a good start.

Also, the Quarians were not all seeing the Geth as enemies equally, this is reflected in the Admirals as well. Those who opposed the war only joined because they had no choice, they knew that they have to stand together in order to survive, Quarians always have to. These people will accept the Geth faster than those supporting the war because they still are stuck in the horror tales of the Morning war. The Geth on the other hand accept the Quarians fast, of course. They need only one occurence to adopt to a new concept, and since they were merely defending themselves, it is logical to stop fighting once the attacks stop. They are AIs and think mainly with cold logic, the only exceptions are Legion and EDI who evolved and learned while spending time with Shepard and the others.

And most importantly, the Geth never did anything to any Quarian that is alive at that point while the reapers were openly slaughtering the galaxy and whiped out whole populations. After the war, there is probably hardly anyone who didn't lose a loved one to the reapers. Their feelings would be totally different.

Modifié par Argolas, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Falcon084]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

Not according to EDI.

Nor was TIM according to TIM.
Remember people saying things like: "Thematically revolting." There was a reason for that.

Imagine you are standing and waiting for a bus. No one is there with you until a person, walking by, walks up and hands you a phone.
You didn't ask for the phone and the call is not for you. You hand the phone back.

Two weeks later, you get a $30,000 phone bill. "I don't even have a phone!!" you exclaim.
You call and an operator asks: "Weren't you holding a phone at the corner of 13th and Lenox on November 24th?"
"Yeah but, that wasn't my phone or my call!!"
"You were where the phone was and now you've admitted to possessing the phone so, we are now authorized to [take all of your sh** if you don't pay.]"
"But I just said it was NOT my phone. Someone yada, yada... It sounded like [game tips,] I handed it back!!"
"So you DID listen to the service so, you are liable for the bill..."
"WTF!!!"

That's Synthesis: Shepard sticks the galaxy with the bill for Ghostie's humanities experiment.
It doesn't matter that you didn't ask for [game tips,] you are still going to lose your stuff or pay a lawyer some of your stuff in an attempt to save the rest of your stuff.
It also means EDI and EVERYONE ELSE are now painfully aware of when you are sitting in the restroom...

It is not his experiment. It is the Protheans or whoever designed the device who reprogramed him.

[Reth Shepherd]

Out of curiosity, am I the only person around here who thinks the EC plays more like a fever dream than an actual what-happened? I am personally not so sure we can rely on the ending slides as proof that everything did turn out all right.

[Reth Shepherd]

Falcon084 wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

With synthesis that galaxy is a reaper.

Not according to EDI.

Nor was TIM according to TIM.
Remember people saying things like: "Thematically revolting." There was a reason for that.

Imagine you are standing and waiting for a bus. No one is there with you until a person, walking by, walks up and hands you a phone.
You didn't ask for the phone and the call is not for you. You hand the phone back.

Two weeks later, you get a $30,000 phone bill. "I don't even have a phone!!" you exclaim.
You call and an operator asks: "Weren't you holding a phone at the corner of 13th and Lenox on November 24th?"
"Yeah but, that wasn't my phone or my call!!"
"You were where the phone was and now you've admitted to possessing the phone so, we are now authorized to [take all of your sh** if you don't pay.]"
"But I just said it was NOT my phone. Someone yada, yada... It sounded like [game tips,] I handed it back!!"
"So you DID listen to the service so, you are liable for the bill..."
"WTF!!!"

That's Synthesis: Shepard sticks the galaxy with the bill for Ghostie's humanities experiment.
It doesn't matter that you didn't ask for [game tips,] you are still going to lose your stuff or pay a lawyer some of your stuff in an attempt to save the rest of your stuff.
It also means EDI and EVERYONE ELSE are now painfully aware of when you are sitting in the restroom...

It is not his experiment. It is the Protheans or whoever designed the device who reprogramed him.

...out of curiosity, how on earth did you reach THAT conclusion? I think you need to go back and listen to the little brat.

[In Exile]

Kataphrut94 wrote...
It's understandable, but I never got an evil vibe from the Catalyst.

The problem isn't the evil vibe. It's the stupid vibe.

To call back an old favourite: 

[o Ventus]

xsdob wrote...

Why do people not like stargazer?

Because it's even more out of place than the idea of Synthesis?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Falcon084 wrote...

with the Extended Addition it doesn't matter because we know what happens next!

Do we? What you see is not always reality.

Consider this:

Joker: "What if this--like, everything you're seeing now--is a simulation?"

EDI: "Shepard, I can confirm that this is the real world."

Joker: "Oh, okay, well that'll solve that. Man, good thing we have an unshackled AI around to tell us what reality is."

EDI: "Perhaps I missed some salient information."

[Necrotron]

Yeah, who cares if getting to the end of the story is completely illogical as long as it has a happy ending, right?