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[Applepie_Svk]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not to mention that Shepard just accepts the Catalyst's word about tossing away his/her life to save the galaxy without any assurance whatsoever that it'd work or any kind of realistic doubts besides a few questions that the Catalyst can with ease lie about.

Control:

So the illusive man was right after all ?

Yes, but he could never control us... we already controlled him...

Wait a minute ? Few minutes ago I shoot Anderson due to TIM´s magical powers...

Synthesis :

We have tried similiar solutions, but it´s always failed. It´s something which cannot be forced...

So, uh these guys out there - The Reapers - they are just cleansing fire ? They are not forcing anything to anyone ? uh LoL ... uh and What´s the chances that now it will wokr ? You got over billions of years of genocide in your countdown so there smell something very fishy...

Saren: Is submission not preferable to extinction? 

Destroy:

But other synthetics won´t be discriminated... 

So I´ve made peace betwen the Geths and Quarians for no reason ? O.O So Zha´til wasn´t forced by you to raise against their creators and others organics ? You haven´t your tentacles even in divide of Geth into two fractions, which one is responsibile for attack on Citadel almost 3 years ago... *cought*

Bahahaha seems legit I am going to jump into some power ray or touch electric discharges...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not to mention that Shepard just accepts the Catalyst's word about tossing away his/her life to save the galaxy without any assurance whatsoever that it'd work or any kind of realistic doubts besides a few questions that the Catalyst can with ease lie about.

Control:

So the illusive man was right after all ?

Yes, but he could never control us... we already controlled him...

Wait a minute ? Few minutes ago I shoot Anderson due to TIM´s magical powers...

Synthesis :

We have tried similiar solutions, but it´s something which cannot be forced...

So, uh these guys out there - The Reapers - they are just cleansing fire ? They are not forcing anything to anyone ? uh LoL

Saren: Is submission not preferable to extinction? 

Destroy:

But other synthetics won´t be discriminated... 

So I´ve made peace betwen the Geths and Quarians for no reason ? O.O So Zha´til wasn´t forced by you to raise against their creators and others organics ? You haven´t your tentacles even in divide of Geth into two fractions, which one is responsibile for attack on Citadel almost 3 years ago... *cought*

Bahahaha seems legit I am going to jump into some power ray or touch electric discharges...

dont forget the "running into an exploding pipe" thing.

[Kais Endac]

I never considered a theme in ME to be victory through sacrifice until ME3 (unfortunately). In ME1 and 2 it was victory despite the odds (or not if you messed up the suicide mission) yes there was sacrifice, and yes there was the whole suicide mission but they were not central (and to be honest I prefer victory despite the odds seems to fit the both the Universe and Shepard's character better).

Again if you believe that the criticisms that people levy upon the ending are not true it is your opinion, NOT a fact and same for those who criticize the endings.

Though I thought until recently that ending things on your own terms was a theme (or rather choices) however It was never really a realistic idea due to the shear size of the trilogy. but it would have been good to be presented an option for a more sweet bittersweet ending than the ones we got. That's just my opinion though, I like the sacrificial endings as a choice but would have liked an ending where my Shepard wasn't lying down in the rubble as a final scene.

[Steelcan]

 It was genius to run into the explosion, cauterize the wounds:wizard:

Modifié par Steelcan, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Steelcan wrote...

 It was genius to run into the explosion, cauterize the wounds:wizard:

Yeah that reminds me old Rambo when he was on mission in Afghanistan to help his brothers to stop the bad russians, where he used ammo from AK47 for healing his wounds... /it was magical facepalm/ and than he jump back to action with his AK47 and killed all russian with one ammo clip... marvelous

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[Eterna]

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

[LinksOcarina]

Eterna5 wrote...

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

And people wonder why I hate fanboyism so much...

[archangel1996]

I was gone for the last 6 hours, did Rasputin answer to my questions?

Modifié par archangel1996, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Eterna5 wrote...

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

It's so nice of you to leave open who you mean by "they". Speculations for everybody! 

[archangel1996]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

It's so nice of you to leave open who you mean by "they". Speculations for everybody! 

No speculation here, i think it's pretty clear who are the ones who "plug their ears"........Casper's fans(the cartoon)

Modifié par archangel1996, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...

Really? Shepard accomplished nothing in Mass Effect 3?

If it wasn't for him, the Crucible never could have been built in the first place. if it wasn't for him, they never could have amassed a fleet large enough to even reach Earth, If it wasn't for everything he had accomplished before, he couldn't have reached the Catalyst and 'altered the variables.'

Final evolution of life might not be an invalid statement if the technology perfects organics and is incapable of evolution itself. Machinery does not evolve. It all depends on the specifics of Synthesis.

The Crucible's primary function is unknown; all we know before the Catalyst is that it can release enough energy to destroy the Reapers. That's literally it.

Having squadmates at your side is not a theme. In any case, you did have them at the final battle. Shepard is the one who makes the decisions anyways, so having squadmates there really wouldn't have improved anything.

That's not what I said. Yes, Shepard did all that because of friendship, belief, the heart of the cards. Whatever. I said (or at least meant to say, so sorry if I was unclear) that Shepard is only able to stop the Reapers because the Catalysts lets him/her do it. The Crucible is a giant paper weight until the Catalyst gives you the OK.

Even then, the options given to you did not become available because of something Shepard did, but rather because of the Catalyst did.

Like in ME1. Shepard can divert the fleet to save the Destiny Ascension or make it focus on Sovereign. Both those options sounds rather logical.

In ME2, you were already about to blow the Collector base to hell before TIM showed up and gave you another option, which from a certain point of view made sense. You could salvage the Collector base in hope of gaining something valuable to fight the Reapers with or blow it up to prevent Cerberus from misusing the tech.

In ME3, there's really no rime or reason why the Catalyst should offer Shepard his job because then he'd jeopardize everything he's built because he doesn't know how Shepard will act with this new power or mix organics and synthetics in a rather unexplained and nonsensical way which still doesn't stop evolution, because there'll always be some new planet that forms after that blast and it'll be unaffected by the blast, unless the Crucible can affect that process too, which practically makes the Catalyst a low-level god, or just blow everything up because...Michael Bay.

If you're building something from scratch, how can you not at least have some idea of what it'll do? If it's just a little more than a power source, then how can you make it change something at the genetic level or gain enough material to do so to every organic being in the galaxy? Or can dark energy do that now?

People want an explanation for the Reapers? I want a detailed explanation for the damn Crucible, since it apparently contains more secrets and has lots of more power.

Well, it had been nice to at least have someone up there with Shepard to reassure him/her that he/she isn't completely nuts or outright object to what's about to happen.

[KingZayd]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

I had to go digging a few months back to find these from an old post I made. These were some of my problems with the Starchild, when looking at ME1. They are from before the EC but I believe they still apply:

1) Why does the Catalyst (of whom the Citadel is part of) need a reaper that it controls to stay behind and tell it when the Harvest is ready [the organic races are on the Citadel (part of the Catalyst)], so that it can send a signal to the Keepers so that they can open the Citadel relay (part of the Catalyst)?

2) How do the Protheans sneak onto the Citadel (part of the Catalyst) and change it without alerting the Catalyst? When the Citadel receives Sovereign's signal, and the keepers aren't activated, why doesn't it let Sovereign know what's going on? Why hasn't the Catalyst made the other reapers it controls who can enter the Milky Way using FTL drives, do so in all that time?

3) Why does the Citadel (part of the catalyst) have a master control console that organics can use, but that neither the Reapers nor the Starchild can? (remotely or otherwise)?

I believe I can shed some light on that.

1. I believe the Citadel is a Leviathan construct, not Reaper tech(If you notice, Leviathan only credits the Catalyst for creating the Relays. It makes no mention of the Citadel.) The Citadel is to the Catalyst what the Normandy is to EDI. Leviathan implies that the Catalyst is shackled to its purpose(simply put, it cant directly control the Citadel) and thus the Keepers were created as a workaround since he cant unshackle himself.

2. The Reapers hibernate between cycles(they likely awaken when they reach the calculated point where civilizations become advanced, then begin study.) It's probable that the Catalyst does too. Which is why they go to Dark Space in the first place. Because they can be destroyed while they sleep, they're unaware during that period.

3. I wouldn't call the terminal used to access the arm controls a master control console. But if such a thing existed, it was probably a Leviathan construct meant for the Citadel's administrator.

1. if the Citadel is a Leviathan construct, why is it also a mass relay to deep space? Why does it seem to cater to a bunch of aliens living on it? If the Starchild can change it so much, then why couldn't he change the other stuff? Also, if the Starchild was shackled, and had Keepers why not  use them to unshackle itself? This is the best attempt at an explanation I've seen though, so thanks. No explanation for why Sovereign is needed to initiate the new harvest, when the Starchild is on the Citadel though.

2. Why would the Starchild need to hibernate? From what we've seen, the Citadel doesn't have any power issues. Hibernating to prevent being stranded in dark space (I guess in case something goes wrong with the Citadel Relay) while you wait for the next cycle make sense.

3. It's referred to in-game as the master control console, and from we see in the game, the Starchild can't open the arms (which is why Saren has to do it), for Sovereign to come in. And again the points I said in 1.

[Eterna]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

It's so nice of you to leave open who you mean by "they". Speculations for everybody! 

I mean both. Both Anti and pro, these threads are ridiculous. 

[lynch108]

The ending wasn't epic. That's my complaint. Ends an amazing trilogy with a whimper.

[DJBare]

Wait, wait, ME3 had an ending?

[TheRealJayDee]

Eterna5 wrote...

I mean both. Both Anti and pro, these threads are ridiculous. 

I actually kind of agree. Still, I can understand the need not to leave certain things uncommented.

[jstme]

DJBare wrote...

Wait, wait, ME3 had an ending?

IT adept or Puzle theory subscriber?

[macrocarl]

You know OP, I agree with you........... I even went back through with another Shep and paid close close attention to all the stuff that BSN has brought up as complaints and honestly, it really keeps boiling down to whether you liked the ending or not. People will keep holler in "Deus Ex!: "Plot holes!" "IT is real!" "No IT is fake!" etc. etc. for ever. I applaud you trying to take on a thread about it but I'm telling you, haters gonna hate (sorry) despite some of the more lame arguments being thrown around here is total BS(n)

[archangel1996]

macrocarl wrote...

You know OP, I agree with you........... I even went back through with another Shep and paid close close attention to all the stuff that BSN has brought up as complaints and honestly, it really keeps boiling down to whether you liked the ending or not. People will keep holler in "Deus Ex!: "Plot holes!" "IT is real!" "No IT is fake!" etc. etc. for ever. I applaud you trying to take on a thread about it but I'm telling you, haters gonna hate (sorry) despite some of the more lame arguments being thrown around here is total BS(n)

Yeah, ****ing haters sucks! haters are a stupid race with stupid hate! They live to hate and hate to live!
In short they have seen too many inconsistencies to just nod and wait Omega or Citadel or whatever

[Dubozz]

Where is my war assets? Priority Earth is just another multiplayer level. Where is my suicide mission 2.0? Boss battle? none of it. *best seats in the house* should be the top point of the game, instead i witnessed ****ing starbart, RBG endings and some random *** planet out of nowhere. Synthesys? what magic is this? Oh yeah relays exploded so everyone is ****ed anyway.

And now you are telling me that logic could fix this? I felt nothing but anger and disappointment about all this b*****it in the end. And now i should feel better because this ******** is explained? No thanks. I wish someday Bioware will put all this catalyst(**** ***** **** ****** *****) scene in Shepards mind like in Leviathan, while shep is lying on the floor.

Should i care about it? No. But, surprisingly i do. Because ME3 is such an amazing game, it meets all your expectaitions and surpasses them, every time you think that nothing could surprise you game shows you another beautiful part of itself. Untill the ending.

And this is just so wrong, a lot of developers worked on the game for years just to get this in the end. Fan reaction? And what do you guys expect? I may only hope that lessons have been learned for all the game industry and i will never experience another "artistic" ending again.

Fake criticism what the **** is this op? You want us to throw away our feelings about the ending because it is logical? So you think logical ending could't be bad right? I should "get" the ending to feel right about it? Ending is not some equiponderate. There is nothing complex to "get" here man. You like it or you don't, simple.

[valkulon]

 

[Ultranovae]

Not everyone who didn't like the ending is an entitled whinny kid crying irrationally at the top of his lungs. In fact I'm sure a lot have real critical constructive criticism and legitimate complaints.



not this guy.
this guy is just whinny kid throwing a tantrum.

Dubozz wrote...

Where is my war assets? Priority Earth is just another multiplayer level. Where is my suicide mission 2.0? Boss battle? none of it. *best seats in the house* should be the top point of the game, instead i witnessed ****ing starbart, RBG endings and some random *** planet out of nowhere. Synthesys? what magic is this? Oh yeah relays exploded so everyone is ****ed anyway.

And now you are telling me that logic could fix this? I felt nothing but anger and disappointment about all this b*****it in the end. And now i should feel better because this ******** is explained? No thanks. I wish someday Bioware will put all this catalyst(**** ***** **** ****** *****) scene in Shepards mind like in Leviathan, while shep is lying on the floor.

Should i care about it? No. But, surprisingly i do. Because ME3 is such an amazing game, it meets all your expectaitions and surpasses them, every time you think that nothing could surprise you game shows you another beautiful part of itself. Untill the ending.

And this is just so wrong, a lot of developers worked on the game for years just to get this in the end. Fan reaction? And what do you guys expect? I may only hope that lessons have been learned for all the game industry and i will never experience another "artistic" ending again.

Fake criticism what the **** is this op? You want us to throw away our feelings about the ending because it is logical? So you think logical ending could't be bad right? I should "get" the ending to feel right about it? Ending is not some equiponderate. There is nothing complex to "get" here man. You like it or you don't, simple.

[SpamBot2000]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

And then, as per usual, they plug their ears and yell the same rhetoric for pages and pages.

And people wonder why I hate fanboyism so much...

No they don't, they know exactly why you hate every passion you can't be an 'intellectual leader' of.

[Ticonderoga117]

So, the OP's defense to a shoddy and broken narrative, is to go "No, you are all stupid, this is how it was and that's why it works"? OP please, have a brain before trying to defend this craptastic narrative.