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[Dr_Extrem]

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

trick question:

if the reaper iff hides the normandy from the reapers, why the f**k do i have to flee from them, if i scan once too often on the galaxy map?

that does not make any sense.

[txgoldrush]

archangel1996 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

Yeah, Reapers are blind......and they are stupid too, Shepard is there for five minutes and Harbinger just....looks at him?
Someone else?

Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

[KingZayd]

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

How does the Reaper IFF make the Normandy invisible? And why doesn't it work when you're scanning systems, even when you move away from the point where you scanned?

Also, an exploding Normandy would  kill a whole bunch of those ground targets in the resulting explosion.

[txgoldrush]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

trick question:

if the reaper iff hides the normandy from the reapers, why the f**k do i have to flee from them, if i scan once too often on the galaxy map?

that does not make any sense.

Because the signal you are giving off is blowing your cover.

EDI tells how the IFF works, its in the narrative.

[archangel1996]

txgoldrush wrote...

Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

yeah, a Reaper can destroy a ****ing ship with one blast and THE REAPER can not manage five human targets at the same time
Yeah, Harbing kills the squad when they are very very far from Shepard.....what a coincidence!

Modifié par archangel1996, 25 novembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[Linkenski]

Liamv2 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

I am a pro ender but i don't think those are the reasons just wait

These are the criticisms I most saw on all the message boards on the net.

Really? i normally hear about the illusive man coming from nowhere

TIM is probably on the citadel the entire time during the earth takeover mission. He is controlled by the reapers, and he made them move the citadel to earth. He probably got a ride over there by Harbinger. If - by saying that he appears out of nowhere- you're refering to the fact that you can't spot him before the cutscene with the showdown, then bear in mind that, that is just how gameplay works with its restrictions to the narrative. The same goes for that stupid IT argument that you have infinite ammo!

[Think about it IT'ers: There are barely any enemies in the entire section that you need to shoot, so Bioware decided to remove all HUDs from it, and then they decided that you don't need to reload because you wouldn't be able to see how many shots you have left. i think it's pretty understandable and it has nothing to do with Indoctrination.]

[C9316]

People keep bringing up the IFF as the reason why Harbinger just sat there instead of blowing the Normandy out of the sky, however as others have said if that were true why are we chased by Reapers when we scan too much in one area? This logic dictates that those reapers should not be able to see you since obviously Harbinger can't. I'm going to assert that the IFF is similar to the normandy's stealth system, it hides them on radar but anyone could see them just by looking out a window..

[archangel1996]

txgoldrush wrote...

Because the signal you are giving off is blowing your cover.

EDI tells how the IFF works, its in the narrative.

And the Reapers are blind, someone else?

[KingZayd]

txgoldrush wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

trick question:

if the reaper iff hides the normandy from the reapers, why the f**k do i have to flee from them, if i scan once too often on the galaxy map?

that does not make any sense.

Because the signal you are giving off is blowing your cover.

EDI tells how the IFF works, its in the narrative.

The Reapers can tell you where you are even when you stop scanning before entering the system.

[txgoldrush]

C9316 wrote...

People keep bringing up the IFF as the reason why Harbinger just sat there instead of blowing the Normandy out of the sky, however as others have said if that were true why are we chased by Reapers when we scan too much in one area? This logic dictates that those reapers should not be able to see you since obviously Harbinger can't. I'm going to assert that the IFF is similar to the normandy's stealth system, it hides them on radar but anyone could see them just by looking out a window..

or the fact that they hunt Normandy when its giving off search and rescue signals exposing itself.

The IFF is EDI trying to emulate a Reaper.

[Ticonderoga117]

txgoldrush wrote...
I do, you don't...you want to ignore clear facts that make the narrative far more consistant.

The narrative is hardly consistant. I would love to go through every point, but smudboy, Archengia, and numerous others do a much better job at it.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

or the fact that they hunt Normandy when its giving off search and rescue signals exposing itself.

The IFF is EDI trying to emulate a Reaper.

Which is thrown out the door when Sam tells you that the Rannoch Reaper fired shots at the Normandy. Or when you consider that the Collectors could tell the Normandy wasn't a Reaper the instant it hit the O4 relay.

[C9316]

txgoldrush wrote...

C9316 wrote...

People keep bringing up the IFF as the reason why Harbinger just sat there instead of blowing the Normandy out of the sky, however as others have said if that were true why are we chased by Reapers when we scan too much in one area? This logic dictates that those reapers should not be able to see you since obviously Harbinger can't. I'm going to assert that the IFF is similar to the normandy's stealth system, it hides them on radar but anyone could see them just by looking out a window..

or the fact that they hunt Normandy when its giving off search and rescue signals exposing itself.

The IFF is EDI trying to emulate a Reaper.

But exactly how does the signal give away the normandy? If the IFF makes the Normandy appear as a Reaper how can the Reapers that give us chase determine not only that it's us giving off the signal, but also that we're not actually a Reaper? Does the signal given off disrupt the IFF or something?

[Ticonderoga117]

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

The Normandy's "cloak" doesn't work in atmosphere (since the hull would've been heated in re-entry) and destroying the Normandy would take out those other targets.

See? This is the the nonsense that doesn't hold up.

[o Ventus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

The Normandy's "cloak" doesn't work in atmosphere (since the hull would've been heated in re-entry) and destroying the Normandy would take out those other targets.

See? This is the the nonsense that doesn't hold up.

Never mind that this example is awful because Sam tells you after Rannoch that Jimmy the Rannoch Reaper was shooting at the Normandy.

Modifié par o Ventus, 25 novembre 2012 - 01:25 .

[Dr_Extrem]

txgoldrush wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

And why, WHY, why in the blue hell why did not Harbinger kill Shepard? O_o Come on, seriously? The heart scans there are in COD and a Reaper, the boss of the Reapers, has lost his...its...whatever? And the Commander was very very near to the conduit too....maybe Harbinger was tired..... And why did not Harbinger shoot at Shepard while the normady was evacuating the squadmates? He didn't see the ship, i'm sure....
The ending just doesn't make any sense

Sorry for the english, i am Italian

Can someone answer me?

archangel1996 wrote...

Ok....let's go with an easy
question, that i find really important, how can Shepard survive in the
destroy ending? The citadel has been destroyed, right? http://www.thegcp.co...itblowingup.jpg Yes..... And the fall? And the space? And the expolotion?

To this too

Because the Normandy was not approaching the beam. Harby was actually firing at the ground targets moving towards the Crucible.

Nevermind the Reaper IFF, which hides the Normandy fromt he Reapers. I wonder why you can get to and from Palaven and Thessia so easily.....

trick question:

if the reaper iff hides the normandy from the reapers, why the f**k do i have to flee from them, if i scan once too often on the galaxy map?

that does not make any sense.

Because the signal you are giving off is blowing your cover.

EDI tells how the IFF works, its in the narrative.

edis discussion with adams about the iff.

edi has millions of keys in her system - she makes the normandy "look like" a friendly intelligence.


well .. i scan, the reapers arrive - i stop scanning and change my position (while running silent) and activate the reaper iff. the normandy now "looks" like a friendly intelligence ... and they still hunt me? are the reapers .. canibals?

despite being totally invisible to sensors, because the outer hull is as cold as the stellar medium and no other em-waves are emitted at all?

[Killdren88]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

The Normandy's "cloak" doesn't work in atmosphere (since the hull would've been heated in re-entry) and destroying the Normandy would take out those other targets.

See? This is the the nonsense that doesn't hold up.

Not to mention Harbinger saw The Normandy buzz in front of him. He is not stupid he knows that is not a Reaper vessel.

[archangel1996]

o Ventus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, the Normandy is cloaked to the Reapers and Harbinger had other targets.

However, if you have low EMS, Harby kills the squad.

The Normandy's "cloak" doesn't work in atmosphere (since the hull would've been heated in re-entry) and destroying the Normandy would take out those other targets.

See? This is the the nonsense that doesn't hold up.

Never mind that this example is awful because Sam tells you after Rannoch that Jimmy the Rannoch Reaper was shooting at the Normandy.

Yeah, and Jimmy had "eye" contact ... the Normandy was right in front of Harbinger and he...it...whatever didn't destroy the ship..... You give yourself the answers
Someone else?

[Ticonderoga117]

Killdren88 wrote...

Not to mention Harbinger saw The Normandy buzz in front of him. He is not stupid he knows that is not a Reaper vessel.

Not like he's busy at that moment anyway. He's just staring at them, like a giant rock.

[archangel1996]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Not to mention Harbinger saw The Normandy buzz in front of him. He is not stupid he knows that is not a Reaper vessel.

Not like he's busy at that moment anyway. He's just staring at them, like a giant rock.

I am sure he...it...whatever was doing some very important things......

Modifié par archangel1996, 25 novembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Killdren88]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Not to mention Harbinger saw The Normandy buzz in front of him. He is not stupid he knows that is not a Reaper vessel.

Not like he's busy at that moment anyway. He's just staring at them, like a giant rock.

I'm not a big ITer, but that what it kinda looks like to me. Waits for shep to continue down the hill.

[Virginian]

txgoldrush wrote...
Quoted original post a long drawn out hissy fit

[Reorte]

The IFF presumably only works when it's possible for another ship to see that something is there but it can't tell what. It broadcasts a known signal to indicate that it's a friendly ship (the whole point of an IFF). Get close enough to see and / or scan in more details, or throw in some other useful information (such as it happily sitting in the middle of a fleet trying to blow the crap out of you) and you'll give yourself away.

Doesn't explain Harbinger's lack of action but there simply isn't a convincing explanation for that.

[Ticonderoga117]

Reorte wrote...

The IFF presumably only works when it's possible for another ship to see that something is there but it can't tell what. It broadcasts a known signal to indicate that it's a friendly ship (the whole point of an IFF). Get close enough to see and / or scan in more details, or throw in some other useful information (such as it happily sitting in the middle of a fleet trying to blow the crap out of you) and you'll give yourself away.

Doesn't explain Harbinger's lack of action but there simply isn't a convincing explanation for that.

Yeah, it's not like the Reapers are very good at thier job and would be able to tell when the IFF'd ship starts shooting and acts non-friendly.

It saddens me that the Reapers have been degraded to this, complete morons who became tools to be lead be a complete moron.

[archangel1996]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

The IFF presumably only works when it's possible for another ship to see that something is there but it can't tell what. It broadcasts a known signal to indicate that it's a friendly ship (the whole point of an IFF). Get close enough to see and / or scan in more details, or throw in some other useful information (such as it happily sitting in the middle of a fleet trying to blow the crap out of you) and you'll give yourself away.

Doesn't explain Harbinger's lack of action but there simply isn't a convincing explanation for that.

Yeah, it's not like the Reapers are very good at thier job and would be able to tell when the IFF'd ship starts shooting and acts non-friendly.

It saddens me that the Reapers have been degraded to this, complete morons who became tools to be lead be a complete moron.

IT