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[Podboq]

Here are a few rules we need to abide by to repair our good name.

DON'T CHARGE BANSHEES, PRAETORIANS, OR ATLASES!!!1!one!
Unless they're sync killing someone. In which case, immediately charge and nova/grenade/shotgun/heavymelee/phasedisrupt/smash them, you'll save the day and all will rejoice.
note: Standing on an incline above or below sync killers makes you immune to sync kills.

Only charge brutes when they're about to charge. You'll swap places with them. If you learn to do this brutes will become trivial.

Stay inside the circle at all times. Dieing inside the circle and being picked up immediately is better than charging away and slowing down the hack(and making everyone hate vanguards).

If you're playing a fullblast novaguard:
Do charge, roll*, nova.
Don't charge, nova, die.

Use medigel immediately after dropping. Noone likes running across the map to pick you up. This may be the most important part of playing a vanguard.

Stay the **** away from phantoms.

*or nova cancel


Addendum;
Never apologise for 'kill stealing'. We kill stuff, and we're good at it, that's the point.

Modifié par Podboq, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[tjbearpig]

Actually, it's a great idea to charge banshees. They can't do squat while they're in warp/nova mode. Krogan headbutts for everyone!

[Podboq]

tjbearpig wrote...

Actually, it's a great idea to charge banshees. They can't do squat while they're in warp/nova mode. Krogan headbutts for everyone!

I thought that had had been debunked. Or has it changed recently?

[Ultimas Dragon]

If you're playing a fullblast novaguard:
Do charge, roll, nova.
Don't charge, nova, die.
Use a respec card and spec half-blast.

Fixed that part.

[Javo2357]

You can charge Banshees if they aren't phasing around the map. You can also charge Atlases and stagger them if you've got enough force I believe. And as for Phantoms, a good vanguard should always be able to take them on since you only need 1000N to stagger them, even on Platinum.

[tjbearpig]

Nope. As long as they aren't in charge mode, it's completely safe to charge at them. You just need to watch out when they scream. That tells you they're about to charge and attempt to instakill you.

[Achire]

Charging sync kill enemies is fine. Just need to know what you're doing and how sync kills work.


Copy pasting from my guide (see signature):

Atlas, Phantom and Scion will only use their one hit kill grab attack after first using a regular melee attack. This makes it quite easy to avoid the sync kills: simply wait for them to do another animation after using their melee attack. Note that you can get instantly grabbed after Charge if the enemy has just used a melee attack even on someone else, so you have to keep an eye on what they're doing.

Banshees don't have a melee requirement for sync kills. They have two active modes: one where they teleport around and sync kill, and one where they stand still and cast Warp and Nova. Banshees will not grab you while in the cast mode even on Platinum. Note that Banshees are not in cast mode until they try to Warp you; they can still grab if they have only stopped teleporting for a few seconds. When the banshee screams and opens her arms, she will switch to the teleport mode and can again sync kill.

Brutes appear only to sync kill when their eyes glow red. They enter the sync kill mode when they use the AOE stagger roar. Praetorians need to melee before sync killing, but their melee staggers and they can combo the melee attack into a sync kill especially on higher difficulties. Praetorians don't use melee while they are up in the air. This means that it is safe to Charge them while they shoot lasers, missiles, or are flying around in the bubble. Pay attention to when they get back on the ground, though, as they can do it very quickly and then melee you into a sync kill. Quickly back out of the melee range when they land.

No enemy can use a sync kill if you are above or below them on a slope. Note that the sync kill chance of enemies goes way up with difficulty. Playing around with sync kill enemies is not adviced on Platinum.

Modifié par Achire, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[Podboq]

Javo2357 wrote...

You can charge Banshees if they aren't phasing around the map. You can also charge Atlases and stagger them if you've got enough force I believe. And as for Phantoms, a good vanguard should always be able to take them on since you only need 1000N to stagger them, even on Platinum.

Even staggered they can sync kill. The do it whenever the **** they want.

[Podboq]

Achire wrote...

Charging sync kill enemies is fine. Just need to know what you're doing and how sync kills work.

True, I should edit the slope thing into the op.

[Javo2357]

Ultimas Dragon wrote...

If you're playing a fullblast novaguard:
Do charge, roll, nova.
Don't charge, nova, die.
Use a respec card and spec half-blast.

Fixed that part.

Lolno. Fullblast vanguard is far better once you learn to survive with him.

[Podboq]

Ultimas Dragon wrote...

If you're playing a fullblast novaguard:
Do charge, roll, nova.
Don't charge, nova, die.
Use a respec card and spec half-blast.

Fixed that part.

I do keep one of my novaguards halfblast.

But imo he's not a real novaguard

[landylan]

If you want to be technical, nova cancelling is probably smarter than rolling with the fullblast build.

Why wouldn't you charge phantoms? Charge stuns them with the AoE evolution now.

[Podboq]

Achire wrote...

Charging sync kill enemies is fine. Just need to know what you're doing and how sync kills work.


Copy pasting from my guide (see signature):
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I'd like to believe all that, but experience tells me it's not true. Sync kills can happen at any time.

Modifié par Podboq, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Podboq]

landylan wrote...

If you want to be technical, nova cancelling is probably smarter than rolling with the fullblast build.

Why wouldn't you charge phantoms? Charge stuns them with the AoE evolution now.

But stunning doesn't stop phantoms from sync killing.
Good point about nova cancelling, I'll add it to the op.

[lazuli]

I do what I want.

I don't see any problem with charging an Atlas as an asari Vanguard. Learn to read their animations and there really isn't any danger.

[IoeShepard]

sneaky little blue vanguard sister could help krogan when grabbed by bad, bad banshee...

does krogan not want our blue help ? blue sisters likes killing phantoms, no i ... love - sniff, is this so bad ?

[Podboq]

lazuli wrote...

I do what I want.

I don't see any problem with charging an Atlas as an asari Vanguard. Learn to read their animations and there really isn't any danger.

So I believed, in my halcyon days... *nostalgia*...

But seriously, they sync kill whenever they feel like it.

[himohillo]

My Slayer gives no fawks about Phantoms. Acolyte with inc ammo, PD and charge. Bam, dead Phantom. Who's next?

Modifié par himohillo, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:27 .

[lazuli]

Yeah, sync kills happen from time to time. But it's usually a fluke more than anything else. Learn to charge when your target is occupied in another animation, then get out.

I wonder if my adamant refusal to Vanguard off-host has anything to do with it.

[Podboq]

IoeShepard wrote...

sneaky little blue vanguard sister could help krogan when grabbed by bad, bad banshee...

does krogan not want our blue help ? blue sisters likes killing phantoms, no i ... love - sniff, is this so bad ?

big dumb krogan should welcome blue help.. don't be angry at silly billy krogan, his brain is the size of his eyeball

[Podboq]

lazuli wrote...

Yeah, sync kills happen from time to time. But it's usually a fluke more than anything else. Learn to charge when your target is occupied in another animation, then get out.

I wonder if my adamant refusal to Vanguard off-host has anything to do with it.

Oh I always host. Playing a vanguard off host is pure torture.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I do everything OP says not to do.  (except leaving the circle)

The way I see it is like this...

New to vanguard: Does risky things. Dies
Experienced vanguard: Doesn't do risky things. Doesn't die.
Expert vanguard: Does risky things again. Doesn't die.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[tutzdes]

Podboq, I'm an absolute fan of melee kits, so i'm playing them a lot. Sync-kill mechanics described above works. It's advised not to mess with sync-killers when you're got some latency problems with host. You just won't see the warning signal (their melee for instance) before too late.

I believe also Phantoms could instakill without melee attack if you're absolutely stationary. This was the case before, maybe It is now. I just don't remain stationary near Phantoms for obvious reason for a long time now.

Modifié par tutzdes, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[IoeShepard]

Podboq wrote...

IoeShepard wrote...

sneaky little blue vanguard sister could help krogan when grabbed by bad, bad banshee...

does krogan not want our blue help ? blue sisters likes killing phantoms, no i ... love - sniff, is this so bad ?

big dumb krogan should welcome blue help.. don't be angry at silly billy krogan, his brain is the size of his eyeball

don´t worry blue sister will help:)

[ZombieGambit]

Praetorians are the only thing that I have trouble charging. I never know when to do it other than when they're shooting up my teammates with their lasers, but charging them when they're doing that usually means a butt laser to the face soon after.