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[Blue Liara]

Does anyone really believe that Bioware really cares about what fans think for ME4?  

After the debacle that was the ending to ME3 and how Bioware and EA handled the whole thing. I find it a tough time really believing that Bioware and Casey Hudson are doing anything other than paying lips service and covering themselves. 

For example, the latest is that Hudson is asking fans if they would prefer a sequel or a prequel. Now I hope this is a genuine question being asked and not just lip service. For if Hudson and the Bioware team have already started making a ME prequel and it turns out that more people wanted a sequel. How are we going to really know. Its not really giving us a choice. 

However, it does give Bioware the ability to say look we listened to fans the whole way through we care. Then do whatever they want. 

Maybe I'm being too synical. I hope I am. I really hope Casey Hudson actually listens to fans and does not make some awful Deus Ex series again but if I'm honnest I just don't believe it. 

The dissapointment of the original ending, then the awful extra ending. How Bioware handled it. Ugh havent thought about it in so long and now as I write this I get more and more annoyed and I just don't believe that Bioware or Hudson care about the fans feedback.

Again. I hope I am wrong. But I doubt it.

[corporal doody]

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[Blue Liara]

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Yes but intersted with what motive?

Because they actually care and will listen. Or just because they are afraid of another PR disaster like last time. In which case they might just try to give the appearence of listening to fan feedback and not actully do so. 

They claimed with the extra add on for the endings that they had responded to fan feedback. However, many fans were left unhappy with the extra ending. I know I certainly was. 

[Mr.House]

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

[Blue Liara]

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Multiplayer is irrelevant to the issue of story. Which is what I am mainly focused on (sorry I did not specifiy). Also the DLC content outside of the extra ending were already in development and had likely been planned before the games release. 

[corporal doody]

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

fans snap their fingers and it should  AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN?


the question was  DO THEY CARE....not DOES BW do everything we ask

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Mr.House]

corporal doody wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

fans snap their fingers and IT should  AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENS?

Everything I listed is possible and would have pleased alot of people. Bioware outright ignored all of that. Also we have Omega, which will not be a hub world, something fans asked for.

So no, Edmonton ME team does not care because there is no evidence to support it or they do but they are just doing a bad job. The MP team does a much better job with fans then the main team, that's just sad.

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Blue Liara]

corporal doody wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

fans snap their fingers and it should  AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN?


the question was  DO THEY CARE....not DOES BW do everything we ask

I'm not talking about IT (even though I did believe it to be true right until it wasn't :-). I just believe that disregarding IT or all other theories that the ending was VERY poor and that the extra ending was just the same bad ending repackaged. 

I also feel that throughout the entire debacle that was the ending and the fans reaction to it. Bioware did not do a good job at responding to fans. I just don't believe them when they say we are going to listen. Because I don't feel that they have.

But please no IT. Its been done to death. It is also almost certiainly dead itself. 

[corporal doody]

Mr.House wrote...


The MP team does a much better job with fans then the main team, that's just sad.

i cannot argue with that.

[corporal doody]

Blue Liara wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

fans snap their fingers and it should  AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN?


the question was  DO THEY CARE....not DOES BW do everything we ask

I'm not talking about IT (even though I did believe it to be true right until it wasn't :-). I just believe that disregarding IT or all other theories that the ending was VERY poor and that the extra ending was just the same bad ending repackaged. 

I also feel that throughout the entire debacle that was the ending and the fans reaction to it. Bioware did not do a good job at responding to fans. I just don't believe them when they say we are going to listen. Because I don't feel that they have.

But please no IT. Its been done to death. It is also almost certiainly dead itself. 

i dont subscribe to IT.  and yeah...there is/was/can be A LOT more BW could have done to address certain things... but politics/money/logistics and all kinds of other things may have/be making it "difficult."  
the things I (myself) have seen makes me believe they are atleast attempting.

time will tell. ME4 will for sure be the response/answer imho.

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[Nightwriter]

Just because they haven't provided the things that are most important to me personally doesn't mean they aren't listening or that they don't care. I'm bummed that they're not serving my table anymore, but they haven't stopped taking orders entirely.

[Kezzup]

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

fans snap their fingers and IT should  AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENS?

Everything I listed is possible and would have pleased alot of people. Bioware outright ignored all of that. Also we have Omega, which will not be a hub world, something fans asked for.

OK, maybe those things are possible. But there IS such a thing as artistic integrity, you know.

[Xellith]

Saying "we care" or "we are listening" is PR talk for "BUY OUR STUFF!!!" and/or damage control.

Modifié par Xellith, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Syroel13]

I believe they are.
You can easily claim any company as being money grabbing for whatever reasons but let us review.

We hated the ending, they tried to fix it, for free. Some may not have it but they tried.

The entire community asked for Omega, boom it is out on tuesday.

On the multiplayer side of things, every single DLC has been free. We have collectors, and a biotic god per request.

For previous games. Every complaint about ME1 was fixed.
-better combat
-No elevators
-Graphics
-NO annoying mako journeys
-More facial expressions

And same from Me2-Me3

I think they care alot, I think EA however are money grabbing. But bioware has my utmost respect. No other developement company would try to fix their mistakes on the ending and give it for free.

Oh and lets not forget one thing though. This is THEIR game. THEIR story, THEIR franchise. I mean you go to work everyday doing a job you want to do and make a universe you want to make. We arent game developers, we dont know what works and what dosent. So if they left out some stuff that fans wanted I.E andersons ectended dialogue maybe there was a reason behind it.

Modifié par Syroel13, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:20 .

[Killdren88]

To me they don't. Can they surprises us? Yes they can. Will they? Probably not. Time will tell.

[Robhuzz]

Let's see. They had the EC to fix the ending, which they failed at. They took the actual criticism about the ending (being out of place, not making sense at all, star kid being just lame and has got to go, being a deus ex machina etc) and ignored that completely and instead just fixed what they thought was wrong with it (added a tiny bit of closure, just not for the destroy ending) and called it a day.

That's not listening to the fans and it's certainly not caring about the fans opinions.

I don't really have a reason to believe they'll change this attitude for ME4. If they just want to push their story they can just say so and not pretend to care about the fans. Hudson even stated they were 'co developing the game with the fans' and 'listening intently to fan ideas'. Want to make ME into a straight up boring mainstream tps? That's bioware's right, just don't insult us by pretending to care about what we think.

[dorktainian]

care? no.

bad ending dressed up with added tinsel is still bad. defending it as 'art' and blaming us for not gettin it is bad. if i wanted a fps i'd be playing blackops. i wanted an rpg and am still waiting...... star brats refusal ending is a faceslap to all who thought it was funny to shoot him. but hey ho. their overlords care about the money tho. dlc all the way........and people are payin for it..? bizarre...

[Applepie_Svk]

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[Argolas]

Bioware will use ideas that they like and maybe act according to very popular fan wishes. Of course this has also something to do with the goal to sell more.

[Applepie_Svk]

Argolas wrote...

Bioware will use ideas that they like and maybe act according to very popular fan wishes. Of course this has also something to do with the goal to sell more.

I remember four things:

Chris Priestly in thread with all BioWare´s false advertisment saying something : They are not lies...

I remember complains about BioWare being choosy in questions on their cons after release of ME3

then also BioWare´s statement that they want COD crowd...

and as final I remember someone from BioWare /not sure if Hudson or Walters/ saying something like that they were working on the ending with fan ideas... /not sure if serious or just trollin at that time/

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 25 novembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[Argolas]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Bioware will use ideas that they like and maybe act according to very popular fan wishes. Of course this has also something to do with the goal to sell more.

I remember four things:

Chris Priestly in thread with all BioWare´s false advertisment saying something : They are not lies...

I remember complains about BioWare being choosy in questions on their cons after release of ME3

then also BioWare´s statement that they want COD crowd...

and as final I remember someone from BioWare /not sure if Hudson or Walters/ saying something like that they were working on the ending with fan ideas... /not sure if serious or just trollin at that time/

As I said, they will use ideas THEY like and MAYBE act according to very popular fan wishes.

[Brass_Buckles]

Short answer, Bioware does care and they are probably listening.

Long answer, even if they aren't actually listening, they care. Not about us, necessarily, but about the profits they will lose if they continue to displease their playerbase. Not everyone was unhappy with the ME3 ending, but I don't think it's actually a stretch to say that most people were dissatisfied. And when even their most loyal fans are displeased, word gets around and people will not be as willing to purchase their games.

So, yes, they care. Unhappy customers means less cash.

As for artistic integrity? It's a new concept and one that should not apply to art that has been created for commercial purposes. If I commission a painting of, say, my dog, and get a painting of my neighbor's cat instead, the artist can shriek about artistic integrity all day, but it's still not what I bought and I have every right to be displeased with it and ask that he or she repaint that portrait to actually be of my dog. This has been true since artists have done art for cash throughout history. And this is why I still believe Bioware should have done more than they did to fix the ending. But, we got what we got, and enough people are still displeased and disenchanted that Bioware realizes they need to pay attention.

This may end up being to their detriment, if they don't limit it to some degree. I'm fine with their deciding between a prequel and a sequel by asking. Or even if they suddenly decide to make it an alternate universe as I suggested in another thread. But they need to temper that listening to the fans with their own creativity, while not going too overboard trying to be edgy with the endings. Mature does not have to mean depressing or heartless. Listen too much to the fans, and either you'll get something that seems like the devs were high when they made it, or it'll be as mainstream and predictable as your average sitcom.

[FlamingBoy]

I think they are a tad more concerned about money now, gone are the days when 3 doctors made money to make games instead of making games to make money

[Jere85]

Im sure they will listen to the fans that want "more weapons and bigger explosions, and more stuff to kill"

[Binary_Helix 1]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Short answer, Bioware does care and they are probably listening.

Long answer, even if they aren't actually listening, they care. Not about us, necessarily, but about the profits they will lose if they continue to displease their playerbase. Not everyone was unhappy with the ME3 ending, but I don't think it's actually a stretch to say that most people were dissatisfied. And when even their most loyal fans are displeased, word gets around and people will not be as willing to purchase their games.

So, yes, they care. Unhappy customers means less cash.

I'm doubtful as plenty of companies have marched  toward their own doom while in complete denial that any problem exists.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:22 .