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[Brass_Buckles]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Short answer, Bioware does care and they are probably listening.

Long answer, even if they aren't actually listening, they care. Not about us, necessarily, but about the profits they will lose if they continue to displease their playerbase. Not everyone was unhappy with the ME3 ending, but I don't think it's actually a stretch to say that most people were dissatisfied. And when even their most loyal fans are displeased, word gets around and people will not be as willing to purchase their games.

So, yes, they care. Unhappy customers means less cash.

I'm doubtful as plenty of companies have marched  toward their own doom while in complete denial that any problem exists.

Kind of hard to deny it when people are still complaining 6 months later, their big Star Wars MMO was a flop, etc.  They've started listening for a reason:  because too few people are happy with their work, and they are losing money.  Keep that up and EA is likely to shut them down--because EA does not sell their subcompanies.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Short answer, Bioware does care and they are probably listening.

Long answer, even if they aren't actually listening, they care. Not about us, necessarily, but about the profits they will lose if they continue to displease their playerbase. Not everyone was unhappy with the ME3 ending, but I don't think it's actually a stretch to say that most people were dissatisfied. And when even their most loyal fans are displeased, word gets around and people will not be as willing to purchase their games.

So, yes, they care. Unhappy customers means less cash.

I'm doubtful as plenty of companies have marched  toward their own doom while in complete denial that any problem exists.

COUGH COUGH.

No BW doesn't care, do many members of the team? Absolutely, but the entity itself known as BW certainly does not.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

They don't completely care, but I'd say 50% effort. Before ME3 and after ME2, they were listening 20% of the time and this got them right by the neck.

Always listen to your fanbase, but at a steady pace, don't do it too much. 50.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No BW doesn't care, do many members of the team? Absolutely, but the entity itself known as BW certainly does not.

Notice how it's employees on the lower rungs that always care as management loots everything before the ship sinks?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No BW doesn't care, do many members of the team? Absolutely, but the entity itself known as BW certainly does not.

Notice how it's employees on the lower rungs that always care as management loots everything before the ship sinks?

They are the people with the talent and passion, but they aren't the ones making decisions, so they are pretty much over ruled by default.

[TurianFrigate]

Well to me it appears that Bioware is drying to repair the damage. I mean that the dark age of Bioware of 2011 and 2012 might be coming to an end let's list things that have happened after the ending.
ME3/ME4
1. We have gotten 4 FREE Multiplayer DLC packs which have had fans ideas intergrated.
2. We got the Extended Cut DLC for FREE which addressed many of our issues with the ending.
3. We got the Leviathan DLC that created more lore for the game and had more RPG elements.
4. We wanted new armor and squad outfits so we got a DLC with both of them.
5. Bioware is asking us what we would like to see in ME4. They even asked us that would we like to see the game take place before or after ME3.
DAIII
A lot of things we have asked for have been said to be in the game:
1. More strategic combat.
2. More customization.
3. Bigger world.
4. More RPG elements (like the castle managment).
Yeah it appears that they are turning back to good.

[Applepie_Svk]

TurianFrigate wrote...

Well to me it appears that Bioware is drying to repair the damage. I mean that the dark age of Bioware of 2011 and 2012 might be coming to an end let's list things that have happened after the ending.
ME3/ME4
1. We have gotten 4 FREE Multiplayer DLC packs which have had fans ideas intergrated.
2. We got the Extended Cut DLC for FREE which addressed many of our issues with the ending.
3. We got the Leviathan DLC that created more lore for the game and had more RPG elements.
4. We wanted new armor and squad outfits so we got a DLC with both of them.
5. Bioware is asking us what we would like to see in ME4. They even asked us that would we like to see the game take place before or after ME3.
DAIII
A lot of things we have asked for have been said to be in the game:
1. More strategic combat.
2. More customization.
3. Bigger world.
4. More RPG elements (like the castle managment).
Yeah it appears that they are turning back to good.

ME3/4
1. They said that MP DLCs will be for free...
2. EC is damage control and made more questions and plotholes than gave answers
3. In case that endings are real in literal version, then Leviathan is blackmail 
4. Yeah and they released for additional price it in before release of overpriced game DLC instead of putting it into this DLC.. otherwise once again lot of these weapons and armor from these little DLCs are nothing more than re-used items from MP, which is again little bit you know....
5. I don´t believe their PR crap they have managed spread enough lies already...

DAIII:
1. Highly doubt...
2. Again Highly doubt...
3. Possibile...
4. PR crap... 

Since their first RPGs they knew what was and are people desires, yet they managed to turn it into some crap. When they released DA2 it was the place where everything start going downhill, people were talking about what they should avoid and what they should instead bring back and here we are, SWTOR and ME3 same mistakes and even more. Did they learned something ? Eh... no ... Will they learn something ? ,,, Maybe but I am affraid it will be already too late

They have a lot of space to talk with fans and trying to confront ideas and they even realeased RP like WE are listening and herp derp, but did they were realy listening ? I remember lot of complains about BioWare being choosy and avoiding some of the questions. You could even see the videos from their cons where you could hear only applaud and possitive questions, is it enough ? I think it is.. to tell you that BioWare don´t care. As a memento to everything what BioWare stood before is just a retirement of both docs, shame isn´t it ?

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 25 novembre 2012 - 10:44 .

[David7204]

Yes, there is. Right on the general discussion forum.

[SpamBot2000]

We care a lot about the garbage pail kids, they never lie.
We care a lot about transformers because theres more than meets the eye.
We care a lot about the little things, the bigger things we top.
We care a lot about you people, yeah you bet we care a lot.
Yeah!

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Maybe they care, maybe not.

There are two kinds of ME fans; BSN users and ME fans

[Redbelle]

TurianFrigate wrote...

Well to me it appears that Bioware is drying to repair the damage. I mean that the dark age of Bioware of 2011 and 2012 might be coming to an end let's list things that have happened after the ending.
ME3/ME4
1. We have gotten 4 FREE Multiplayer DLC packs which have had fans ideas intergrated.
2. We got the Extended Cut DLC for FREE which addressed many of our issues with the ending.
3. We got the Leviathan DLC that created more lore for the game and had more RPG elements.
4. We wanted new armor and squad outfits so we got a DLC with both of them.
5. Bioware is asking us what we would like to see in ME4. They even asked us that would we like to see the game take place before or after ME3.
DAIII
A lot of things we have asked for have been said to be in the game:
1. More strategic combat.
2. More customization.
3. Bigger world.
4. More RPG elements (like the castle managment).
Yeah it appears that they are turning back to good.

Regarding ME3

1. Free MP dlc is great. But let us not forget, it also boosts the potential for more micro transaction. Not saying it's not good for the fans. Just that the company also get's a benefit. In this however, I'd say the fans come out ahead.

2. The extended cut fixed continuity errors and tried to........ better....... explain......... the Catalyst's motivations.
That said, the origin of the ending's feels like a rush job. And the ultimate logic written for the Catalyst feels rushed rather than considered. Then there is the Deus Ex Machina argument and introducing a character with such an important role and what was the point of the child and the dreams and.......... Look, just download the MEHEM and behold as all these unanswered problems........ simply....... go.......away!

3. Levi addon was cool. But when you add the Catalyst on top of it. (This icon's getting a workout today).

4. Can't go wrong with armour and outfits. Now if we can just get an option to return Ashley Williams to her previous bun haired state and remove the lip gloss as easily as we remove Shep's helmet, the world will be set to rights....... unless anyone wants to add anything else. Like an outfit for Tali with a see through visor after the Rannoch mission.

5. And don't think I have't told BW that stripping element such as vehicles and hacking and unlocking doors is a bad idea. They can take stuff out. But the game is cheapened by the lack of variety. Therefore for everything they take out, I say they must replace it with something else. There is only so much you can strip away from a foundation before it crumbles and as an RPG based shooter, we need that variety. We, the fans, should not be pushing Mass Effect into gameplay like Gears of War.

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 novembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[drayfish]

In the podcast interview released before the Extended Cut was launched, Casey Hudson and Mac Walters, in response to the criticism many fans were levelling at the ending, said that they 'did not know how to tell that story' - all they could write was the jourrney they had devised.

The cynical part of me is not really sure why they are now so interested in making people think they might take requests, unless it is merely PR.

[archangel1996]

Or they are really smart or they are really stupid........Do they care? maybe Do i believe it now? No

[Redbelle]

Here's the thing. When they say they are artists, I can see their point.

No laughing at the back serious point coming up!

When they started out I doubt they had a complete grasp on what they were doing. They simply focused on their respective jobs and kept on doing those jobs till they could do them blindfolded.

Then when they moved up, it was the same. Rinse, repeat, rinse repeat. Till they got the job down pat.

Each time a person does this within the same company focused on making the same product they come away with a greater understanding of how the process works. They then work out how to do their job more efficiently while maintaining quality, then figure out how to improve quality with the extra time on their hands.

However. Even these, (I'll use the term loosely) artists, get it wrong from time to time. It's at this point when they need to fall back on their experience of how to get the job done.

Also. Art is not made in a vacuum. I do not accept is that BW's argument that the ending is artistic and therefore above critiscism. I can judge art and I judge the ending to be lousy for a number of evident reasons.

For the artist to throw a fit, worthy of a Diva............which,  thankfully hasn't happened in BW's case, but to not acknowledge our judgement and fix it is offputting for the fans. As they have already shown it is possible to do with the ECDLC, shows that the artist cares less about what he percieves to be his finished work.

Games can be finished, but if they really want the ending of ME3 to be considered art they need to understand the concept of 'art is never finished, only abandoned'.

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 novembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[jstme]

I am pretty sure developing team listens to the fans, but since it simultaneously listens to much much louder marketing guys, various suits and other sound sources i am not aware of - fans voice is nothing but a faint whine in all that noise.
If management wishes to see RPG games dumbed down or CODified because marketing had a brilliant idea that it will increase sales this way - it will be so even if fans would drown Bioware headquarters in cupcakes.

[Robhuzz]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No BW doesn't care, do many members of the team? Absolutely, but the entity itself known as BW certainly does not.

Notice how it's employees on the lower rungs that always care as management loots everything before the ship sinks?

They are the people with the talent and passion, but they aren't the ones making decisions, so they are pretty much over ruled by default.

Exactly. These people have a big say in what the game will look like and have the talent and passion to pull it off, these are the people that are responsible for the best games out there. When we're talking about independant developers that is. With big corporations taking over, money dictates what kind of games are made and what they're going to look like. The talented and passionate people are degraded to simple workers.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 25 novembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[JamesFaith]

DirtyMouthSally wrote...

Is this the one that you're referring to? If so that's started by a member here on the BSN.  At least it's stickied, I guess, but still, Bioware could have started the thread themselves.
http://social.biowar.../index/14159111

Honestly, why start official ME4 thread, when there are already dozens of unofficial? Or do you you think that input in this official would be somehow drastically different? 

If they create ME4 thread, it would at the moment, when basic structure of ME4 is already done, same like they did with DA3. They are interested in suggestions, which can be used for improvement of their work, not in dictate what to do from scratch.

[Morty Smith]

A bit early to demonize their effort regarding ME4.

[archangel1996]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Extended Cut, Omega, Collectors, Volus, and Female Turians say otherwise.

No, they say EA voted worst company to me

[Morty Smith]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Extended Cut, Omega, Collectors, Volus, and Female Turians say otherwise.

You mean the EC that was made, because they thought people were too uneducated to get Warren´s endings?

Modifié par Kroitz, 25 novembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

they wouldnt be asking if they werent atleast interested.

EC, Omega, and A LOT of MP stuff suggests they seriously do

Ok so where is Harbinger speaking, Andersons cut dialog back in, a revamped Earth mission, starbrat gone or at least that scene being good, reunion with squad in destory and closure? Because those where very wanted and did not show up.

What sort of logic is this? That because they didn't give you everything you wanted, they listened to nothing the fanbase was requesting?

That's self-centered egotism to the max.

[Dean_the_Young]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No BW doesn't care, do many members of the team? Absolutely, but the entity itself known as BW certainly does not.

The entity itself known as bioware is a non-sentient legal construct that isn't alive in the first place. Of course it doesn't care: anthromorphizations of collectives don't actually exist.