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[ImperatorMortis]

 So yeah a lot of threads are being made about either the Chantry or atheism. But what I think would be cool is the option to worship the old gods again, and possibly having the option to "cure" atleast one of them from the taint. 

In one of the DA2 DLC's(The one with the sealed away Magister. I forget the name.) There was a Shrine of Dumat that would either help or hurt you depending how you interacted with it.
I thought it might be a sign that the Old Gods still have a strong presense in the world besides starting blights. Not to mention there's Morrigans God Child(The God of Beauty, Urthemiel.). 

I think it would be fun if the protag could secretly(or not so secretly) worship them instead of the Maker(Or no one), and maybe try, and get Tevinter to get it going again since they no longer have to worry about saving face for the Chantry. 

Also Polytheistic Gods are always cooler than Monotheistic Gods imo. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[thesnake777]

It was my understanding thta the old gods who were slain by the grey wardens are gone for good. So worshipping those gods would not really work out. Unless they were going to pull a flemeth.
But besides that I dont see why not. They are a big deal and there are dragon cults running around so there are plenty of different kinds of worship going on. It also would not be unheard of for a Inquisitor who has been dealing with all of these different groups to "see the light" with one of these entities.

[ImperatorMortis]

thesnake777 wrote...

It was my understanding thta the old gods who were slain by the grey wardens are gone for good. So worshipping those gods would not really work out. Unless they were going to pull a flemeth.

Well Dumat was the first to go, but he still has a effect on the world in the form of his shrines. Besides there are 3 Old Gods left. 

Urthemiel(God Baby) God of Beauty.
Razikale God of Mystery. 
Lusacan God of Night. 

Besides, maybe the others are somewhere in the Fade or something? 

[ledod]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

It was my understanding thta the old gods who were slain by the grey wardens are gone for good. So worshipping those gods would not really work out. Unless they were going to pull a flemeth.

Well Dumat was the first to go, but he still has a effect on the world in the form of his shrines. Besides there are 3 Old Gods left. 

Urthemiel(God Baby) God of Beauty.
Razikale God of Mystery. 
Lusacan God of Night. 

Besides, maybe the others are somewhere in the Fade or something? 

Urthemiel be dead

[ImperatorMortis]

ledod wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

It was my understanding thta the old gods who were slain by the grey wardens are gone for good. So worshipping those gods would not really work out. Unless they were going to pull a flemeth.

Well Dumat was the first to go, but he still has a effect on the world in the form of his shrines. Besides there are 3 Old Gods left. 

Urthemiel(God Baby) God of Beauty.
Razikale God of Mystery. 
Lusacan God of Night. 

Besides, maybe the others are somewhere in the Fade or something? 

Urthemiel be dead

God. Baby. 

Him/Her was reborn as Morrigans kid.

And don't say its not true because you didn't do the ritual. Because some how, some way Morrigan birfed dat baby. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[Fredward]

Gods are more concepts than just physical bodies. In that DA2 expansion-whose-name-escapes-me if you offer stuff at Dumat's shrine he gives you like gold or something. That's assuming the dragons ever WERE gods.

Ooooor I might just be approaching this from a NWN2 perspective. xp

[thesnake777]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Well Dumat was the first to go, but he still has a effect on the world in the form of his shrines. Besides there are 3 Old Gods left. 

Urthemiel(God Baby) God of Beauty.
Razikale God of Mystery. 
Lusacan God of Night. 

Besides, maybe the others are somewhere in the Fade or something? 

Yea, there could be others in the fade. It seems to get anything goes in there so there may be "godly" entites running around in there.
Actually there would be no reason why the PC couldent worship dumat or one of the other dead gods. He/She would not get any divine interventions but they could worship them to there hearts content. 

as to the surving old gods(not including god baby), I doubt there is any way to cure them.

[ImperatorMortis]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Gods are more concepts than just physical bodies. In that DA2 expansion-whose-name-escapes-me if you offer stuff at Dumat's shrine he gives you like gold or something. That's assuming the dragons ever WERE gods.

What makes you doubt that they were?. They're immortal unless "killed"  a certain way. And they can still have a very real effect on their shrines even after their "deaths". 

Corypheus: "DUMAT GRANT ME YOUR POWERS!" *Powers gets granted* 

I think the Old Gods have a HP Lovecraft thing going on. "Even a dead God dreams", and stuff like that. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

It doesn't matter if they are or aren't gods. You could still worship them.

[Fredward]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
What makes you doubt that they were?. They're immortal unless "killed"  a certain way. And they can still have a very real effect on their shrines even after their "deaths". 

I think the Old Gods have a HP Lovecraft thing going on. "Even a dead God dreams", and stuff like that. 

They could just have been sentient dragons capable of magic. They only got the immortal bit after the taint and their immortality is kinda like Flemeth's (body is killed just take another or put it in a locket or w/e) they just seem to have an easier time of it. But no I do actually believe they were gods. 

In NWN2 gods don't die completely unless they are no longer worshipped at all. Their bodies can be killed which is a major inconvenience but they're more than their corporeal shapes their ideas and concepts so they keep living. Yah know we really need more info on gods in Thedas. xp

[ImperatorMortis]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

They could just have been sentient dragons capable of magic. They only got the immortal bit after the taint and their immortality is kinda like Flemeth's (body is killed just take another or put it in a locket or w/e) they just seem to have an easier time of it. But no I do actually believe they were gods. 

Why would they be immortal only after the taint? Regular Darkspawn aren't immortal.. Well Pseudo-Immortal, in that they don't die from Old Age. But they can still be killed normally. 

If the Old Gods were just sentient Dragons capable of Magic why would that be enough to make them different? If its just because they're mages then any Darkspawn Magic user would have to be killed the same way a Archdemon is. 

[Fredward]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Why would they be immortal only after the taint? Regular Darkspawn aren't immortal.. Well Pseudo-Immortal, in that they don't die from Old Age. But they can still be killed normally. 

If the Old Gods were just sentient Dragons capable of Magic why would that be enough to make them different? If its just because they're mages then any Darkspawn Magic user would have to be killed the same way a Archdemon is.

Except that we don't know what a sentient magic wielding dragon could be capable of. The only other being we've seen with the Archdemons' brand of immortality is Flemmy. The only reference we have IS the old gods, which might have just been giant magical lizards. BUT. Like I said I do think they were/are gods.

Also don't darkspawn die of old age? I didn't know that.

[ImperatorMortis]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Also don't darkspawn die of old age? I didn't know that.

Well. To be fair this is mostly an assumption, Considering how long Darkspawn seem to live. I doubt their bodies degrade further. 

[Maria Caliban]

We don't know how long darkspawn/ghouls live 'naturally.' We know that ogres appeared in Thedas 200 years before the qunari landing, suggesting that quari had previous contact with Thedas before recorded history. The broodmothers birthing those ogres might be very, very old.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

It doesn't matter if they are or aren't gods. You could still worship them.

^ This.

Though the Tevinter gods are a bit odd. Why 'silence?'

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 novembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[n7stormrunner]

I like this idea, though I would prefer a dragon that wasn't one of the old gods for fewer drakspawn if nothing else

[Fredward]

Maria Caliban wrote...
We don't know how long darkspawn/ghouls live 'naturally.' We know that ogres appeared in Thedas 200 years before the qunari landing, suggesting that quari had previous contact with Thedas before recorded history. The broodmothers birthing those ogres might be very, very old.
 

Wow ogre producing broodmothers must be HUGE now that I think about it.

Unless there are like baby ogres running around. Which might be kinda cute actually. xp

[Dhiro]

Maria Caliban wrote...

We don't know how long darkspawn/ghouls live 'naturally.' We know that ogres appeared in Thedas 200 years before the qunari landing, suggesting that quari had previous contact with Thedas before recorded history. The broodmothers birthing those ogres might be very, very old.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

It doesn't matter if they are or aren't gods. You could still worship them.

^ This.

Though the Tevinter gods are a bit odd. Why 'silence?'

Because it's the Music of Life.

Modifié par Dhiro, 25 novembre 2012 - 12:26 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

We don't know how long darkspawn/ghouls live 'naturally.' We know that ogres appeared in Thedas 200 years before the qunari landing, suggesting that quari had previous contact with Thedas before recorded history. The broodmothers birthing those ogres might be very, very old.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

It doesn't matter if they are or aren't gods. You could still worship them.

^ This.

Though the Tevinter gods are a bit odd. Why 'silence?'

Well Silence can be associated with "Calm" or "Tranquility".  

[whykikyouwhy]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Well Silence can be associated with "Calm" or "Tranquility".  

Tranquility, as in the cutting off the connection of the Fade? 

Dumat, being the "dragon of silence," seems fitting. He is said to have taught blood magic to the magisters - blood magic being one component involved in the invasion into the Golden City, an act that supposedly rendered it Black (cutting it off from mortal/mage access - although if we go with the "it was already black" theory/concept, then the invasion allowed for the taint to cross forth...perhaps). So it's a bit of a domino effect to "silence" the harmony with the Fade and all the music therein.

And with the Legacy DLC playing upon a few musical themes (Conductor achievement, the dialogue about hearing drums, etc), and taking place in an area that the dwarves lived/thrived/imprisoned pestilent baddies, maybe Dumat somehow factors into whatever severed the dwarves from the Stone, and the main melody of its song.

...and such is my speculation for the day.

[Auintus]

Our silent lord shall reward the faithful!
Nah, but I'd like to see more of the Old Gods. The Dumat shrine was proof that they still hold some sway over the world.

[Helena Tylena]

Unless I'm mistaken, and please correct me if I am, I thought the Old Gods weren't tainted until the Darkspawn found them, at which point they'd turn into Archdemons?
So how would curing them from the taint work if there's no taint to begin with?

[Auintus]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Unless I'm mistaken, and please correct me if I am, I thought the Old Gods weren't tainted until the Darkspawn found them, at which point they'd turn into Archdemons?
So how would curing them from the taint work if there's no taint to begin with?

"Curing" them is questionable, considering that four have been destroyed for certain, Urthemiel may or may not have been cleansed already, and the other two are still asleep. Despite death, Dumat still holds some sway, so perhaps the connection between the Old Gods and the Archdemons is more complex than we thought.

[Fredward]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Unless I'm mistaken, and please correct me if I am, I thought the Old Gods weren't tainted until the Darkspawn found them, at which point they'd turn into Archdemons?
So how would curing them from the taint work if there's no taint to begin with?

Oh sheet. I think this is right. Weren't they just "sent to slumber under the earth" and it's only when the Darkspawn find them that they become all evil-y? Maybe we shouldn't be trying to cure them, maybe just wake 'em up. That might not be a good thing but w/e.

And also do the darkspawn just have to find them and tap them on the nose and then BOOM Archdemon or is there more involved?

[Reznore57]

The old Gods and Dragons seems to be asleep ,the taint wakes them.
They must be cursed or something , you can't just dig up an old god and bring him a cup of coffee.
The comics (Silent Grove/Those who speak...) hints that there is another way to wake them up.

I don't know if they are evil or whatever , but I'm pretty sure the taint changes them.
Archdemons look like mindless beasts , Old gods were supposed to trick people etc...
So I guess they are different untainted , doesn't mean they are nice but i think the taint drive them mad.