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[DHKany]

Elecbender wrote...

This is hilarious.

I really want to see how many "I quit" threads occur if this weapon gets "nerfed".

Then those people would be pathetic, for just quitting after a weapon gets nerfed. 

Similar to what happened to the Falcon, Krysae and Piranha. 

Let's see what other crutch weapons people use. 

[xcrunr1647]

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

More people remember the original Krysae than the original Falcon.

The original Falcon was, for lack of a better adjective...godly. I used to throw it on my melee Krentinel and destroy all things at all ranges.

[Stardusk]

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

The Collector AR could use a ROF increase as well as a damage increase imo.

[Stardusk]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

More people remember the original Krysae than the original Falcon.

The original Falcon was, for lack of a better adjective...godly. I used to throw it on my melee Krentinel and destroy all things at all ranges.

The original Falcon was beyond broken, against mooks, phantoms, nothing could touch you...

[Tallgeese_VII]

Switch the stability as it should be...?

[snackrat]

It is supposed to be effective, it is an UR after all (same as Talon and Scorpion being the most powerful pistols). I think the real concern is that none of the other (terrible) assault rifles are capable of competing with it even moderately... or... just, you know, doing anything in particular. One may favour certain assault rifles for their accuracy, or their mod choice, or even their weight, but rarely for their raw DPS or utility.

[Stardusk]

Karsciyin wrote...

It is supposed to be effective, it is an UR after all (same as Talon and Scorpion being the most powerful pistols). I think the real concern is that none of the other (terrible) assault rifles are capable of competing with it even moderately... or... just, you know, doing anything in particular. One may favour certain assault rifles for their accuracy, or their mod choice, or even their weight, but rarely for their raw DPS or utility.

The Talon is a shotgun, not a pistol (in its application and performance).

[DHKany]

Stardusk wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

More people remember the original Krysae than the original Falcon.

The original Falcon was, for lack of a better adjective...godly. I used to throw it on my melee Krentinel and destroy all things at all ranges.

The original Falcon was beyond broken, against mooks, phantoms, nothing could touch you...

lol yeah. The days when Phantoms were nothing more than just points waiting to be collected. 
And some guy in another thread said he wanted to see it get buffed back to its original stats because the game has gotten 'harder'. 

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

.458 wrote...

A big reason that the harrier is such a good weapon is that it is indeed ultra rare. Seems to have a lower drop rate than even the other UR weapons. As time goes on though, more people will get this weapon...why use a lower rarity weapon if you've played long enough to obtain one? So if it is that utilized, you can only compare with other UR weapons. That more people are using it can't be a fair comparison if looking at lower rarity...one has to look at both that it is utilized more for UR and also for the AR role. Can't compare it to something like sniper weapon usage even if the weapon is UR, unless there are as many people playing characters that use the sniper weapon.

There do need to be more rare level ARs that are well behaved, such as the collector rifle. The damage is somewhat underwhelming for collector rifle, but in many ways it is superior to the harrier. Somehow it just doesn't seem to be proper to call it a balance act unless a new competitor to harrier is also introduced at the UR level. It does seem very fair to say that we lack well behaved ARs at lower rarity. We do need more than we have, but it isn't fair to say it is because people use the harrier.

I dismiss the lower droprate, it is the only UR that I got on my last drops (got it on IV meanwhile....still hate it. Just too boring.) while I still wait for a Wraith II which is described as one of the best shotguns in the game. Stinks.
And the harrier CAN be compared to the mattock without caring about the rarity. It is simple: You see plenty of harriers but almost no mattocks while the mattock is actually a reliable allround side-arm, yet not as good as the harrier. You actually have to do something to use the Mattock, clicking the trigger, mashing the button. And there is the problem. The harrier is just....too easy to use. No calculation of where the projectile will land such as on graal, Kishock etc....a missed shot is not a costly mistake like on most pistols and sniper rifles and the damage is just a little too extensive. Buff the magazine, nerf the damage I say.

Anyway, I concur with your second statement as well. The collector rifle is awesome. Deadly accurate, tears up everything, especially Reapers in my opinion though. But still, it lacks damage and also a little fire rate. I'd love to see some normal assault rifles that don't end up like the revenant (that recoil.....don't want to use it on my turian soldier only.).

@the dude who dismissed my arguments on Javelin, Talon etc.

You are talking of specific kits to use the weapons on. The harrier can be used on every kit. Figures.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


@the dude who dismissed my arguments on Javelin, Talon etc.

You are talking of specific kits to use the weapons on. The harrier can be used on every kit. Figures.

You can use all those weapons on any kit and do well, provided you know how to aim.

[JGDD]

Stardusk wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

The Collector AR could use a ROF increase as well as a damage increase imo.

Maybe damage but RoF is fine as it stands. It gets really good on characters that boost RoF and any more would push it really close to being over the top.

Harrier needs about 5-7 shots removed from the clip and it would be about right. Leaves it powerful but forces you to make a serious choice if it's the right tool for the job then.

[ryoldschool]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Switch the stability as it should be...?

I think this is in relation to the Typhoon.   When they nerfed it ( or maybe when they released it ) the factor was reversed and it got less stable as you leveled it up ( level one was more steady than level X by a factor of 10 ), so a stability mod was required on a level X version.   They have fixed that factor and at X you no longer need a stability mod.  That lets you put on a damage mod on the gun instead and makes the Typhoon a lot better, not to mention that more of you shots hit the target.

At least I think that is your question.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

RIP Harrier

(Really? If they haven't even touched the Harrier OR the Reegar so far, they won't do it now. That's just be pathetic)

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


@the dude who dismissed my arguments on Javelin, Talon etc.

You are talking of specific kits to use the weapons on. The harrier can be used on every kit. Figures.

You can use all those weapons on any kit and do well, provided you know how to aim.

Obviously you missed my point. Nevermind then. <_<

[DeadeyeCYclops]

buff all the other AR's yes please since im not not one of the chumps who relies on the Harrier, granted that prob has to do to mine only being lvl 2 and only actually having it for about a month.

Still I just feel like its one of those guns that MANY ppl rely on to make up for lack of skill and it makes me not want to use it, I have used it once when i first got it just to see what all the fuss was about and yeah i just thought, wow you have to really suck at this game if you feel like you need to use this gun all the time. but regardless it is a good gun, just makes me feel cheap to even want to use it

[TrollBerzerker01]

Harrier is overpowered. All other assault rifles are underpowered.

People need to get through their thick heads that Ultra Rare does not give a gun an excuse to be just flat-out more powerful than everything else in its class. It would defeat the purpose of the unlock system and the customizable loadout and the several dozen gold-level guns in the game.

[UnknownMercenary]

DHKany wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

The Harrier is a clear cut case of everything else sucking while the Harrier was done right. As opposed to the Harrier being ahead of the pack because its OP, like the Falcon was back in the day, or the Krysae.

More people remember the original Krysae than the original Falcon.

The original Falcon was, for lack of a better adjective...godly. I used to throw it on my melee Krentinel and destroy all things at all ranges.

The original Falcon was beyond broken, against mooks, phantoms, nothing could touch you...

lol yeah. The days when Phantoms were nothing more than just points waiting to be collected. 
And some guy in another thread said he wanted to see it get buffed back to its original stats because the game has gotten 'harder'. 

Good lord could you imagine how OP the pre-nerf Falcon would be now with FE/CE not requiring deaths?

[Tallgeese_VII]

BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

RIP Harrier

(Really? If they haven't even touched the Harrier OR the Reegar so far, they won't do it now. That's just be pathetic)

More people are unlocking Harrier a day after a day...

I don`t know if it needs nerf, but It is extremely popular.
Almost always 1 person using it in every PUG match in my experience.

I personally don`t want it to be nerfed, some players NEED harrier in gold...

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
The Harrier Kishock can be used on every kit. Figures.

That too.


Accurate, ignore Armor DR, can pierce gardian's  shield, light enough to be used on casters and still oneshot every shielded mook, its only drawback is that it doesn't pierce cover.


See, that's the problem, you can make a case for a nerf on every good weapon in this game.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:07 .

[Vlark]

Oh guys please stop pointing out that it is an UR-Weapon. I **** on this. If a weapon is breaking balance (as the Harrier clearly does) it is totally irrelevant if it is common , uncommon or else. Yeah you need more time for it to get...but what the ****? does this make you the godly god of godness?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
The Harrier Kishock can be used on every kit. Figures.

That too.


Accurate, ignore Armor DR, can pierce gardian's  shield, light enough to be used on casters and still oneshot every shielded mook, its only drawback is that it doesn't pierce cover.


See, that's the problem, you can make a case for a nerf on every good weapon in this game.

The Kishock is actually a little difficult to use and requires training. Harrier, point and shoot.

[Stardusk]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
The Harrier Kishock can be used on every kit. Figures.

That too.


Accurate, ignore Armor DR, can pierce gardian's  shield, light enough to be used on casters and still oneshot every shielded mook, its only drawback is that it doesn't pierce cover.


See, that's the problem, you can make a case for a nerf on every good weapon in this game.

Jay....you're sooo....Jay.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
The Harrier Kishock can be used on every kit. Figures.

That too.


Accurate, ignore Armor DR, can pierce gardian's  shield, light enough to be used on casters and still oneshot every shielded mook, its only drawback is that it doesn't pierce cover.


See, that's the problem, you can make a case for a nerf on every good weapon in this game.

The Kishock is actually a little difficult to use and requires training. Harrier, point and shoot.

IMO the Kishock is fairly easy to use too (harder than the Harrier, I'll admit as much), but whatever. This is a case where we'll have to agree to disagree.

At least we had a sensible conversation which didn't end in insults, like it's the case on many nerfs/buffs threads.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[JGDD]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

IMO the Kishock is fairly easy to use too (harder than the Harrier, I'll admit as much), but whatever. This is a case where we'll have to agree to disagree.

Sure if you're host. Harrier doesn't care about that.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
The Harrier Kishock can be used on every kit. Figures.

That too.


Accurate, ignore Armor DR, can pierce gardian's  shield, light enough to be used on casters and still oneshot every shielded mook, its only drawback is that it doesn't pierce cover.


See, that's the problem, you can make a case for a nerf on every good weapon in this game.

The Kishock is actually a little difficult to use and requires training. Harrier, point and shoot.

IMO the Kishock is fairly easy to use too (harder than the Harrier, I'll admit as much), but whatever. This is a case where we'll have to agree to disagree.

At least we had a sensible conversation which didn't end in insults, like it's the case on many nerfs/buffs threads.

That indeed, also, it is a challenge for its own off-host.

But still, there need to be either more buffs to other ARs or ARs that can actually compete with the Harrier. Atm it plays in its own league.