Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
So with qualifiers it's easier. As I mentioned earlier the harrier needs none of that. Use it with any character and it's easy. Period.
Well, the same could be said with any of the other UR Assault Rifles.
It can be effective, but you are right that it probably is not as easy.justgimmedudedammit wrote...
I doubt equipping a Typhoon on an adept is anywhere near as effective or easy as the Harrier when it comes to a balanced kit. There's a fine line here that needs to be watched and the Harrier, in most cases, crosses it.
Tell me, how does a cheater ruin your experience? I get that someone killstealing everything is not your idea of fun, but you are always free to leave the lobby. You don't ban PUGs for sucking, so what makes the cheater any different when he is not glitching? How is him getting weapons faster than you lower your fun with the game?FeralJester616 wrote...
taplonaplo wrote...
It's not a PvP game, so we should let missile glitchers have their way, and enjoy their "hard earned" rewards. After all, it's a coop game, what's it to you that they can clear plat faster than a well coordianted group with their magical boom sticks since you get the credits/XP too! Also them having better weapons is beneficial to you anyway since it'll make the game smoother when they decide to play normally.Kaitus wrote...
Oh except this isn't a PVP game and I don't get why people get so rabid in calling for nerfs. Last I checked this was still a co-op game. Following the OP's intent for this thread, I do think the rare and uncommon ARs could use a bit of a buff. For their weight and the fact that they require you be out of cover for longer, there should be some kind of return. Putting 600- 700 rounds into an atlas with the geth plasma rifle just isn't that much fun (assuming it's focusing on someone else and you have that luxury).
No? Thought so...
No... Using glitches an cheating is completely different than nerfing the only good weapons in a class.
You don't seem to understand the difference. Cheating your way to the top will result in a lack of real skill IF those cheaters then start to play properly.
The nerfing of the Harrier is totally unjustified, yes it outclasses every other AR but that is only because the rest are so underpowered.
Give the other ARs the buffs they need and you will see alot less Harriers in games.
As it stands, it is the only AR that feels right, yes it is easy to use but it is hard to master, just like real ARs. All the others are little more than over-weight, under performing SMGs.
Modifié par taplonaplo, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:04 .
XTR3M3 wrote...
Why does everything have to be equal? Why does it bother people that a bunch of players like to use the harrier? (...).
taplonaplo wrote...
Tell me, how does a cheater ruin your experience? I get that someone killstealing everything is not your idea of fun, but you are always free to leave the lobby. You don't ban PUGs for sucking, so what makes the cheater any different when he is not glitching? How is him getting weapons faster than you lower your fun with the game?FeralJester616 wrote...
taplonaplo wrote...
It's not a PvP game, so we should let missile glitchers have their way, and enjoy their "hard earned" rewards. After all, it's a coop game, what's it to you that they can clear plat faster than a well coordianted group with their magical boom sticks since you get the credits/XP too! Also them having better weapons is beneficial to you anyway since it'll make the game smoother when they decide to play normally.Kaitus wrote...
Oh except this isn't a PVP game and I don't get why people get so rabid in calling for nerfs. Last I checked this was still a co-op game. Following the OP's intent for this thread, I do think the rare and uncommon ARs could use a bit of a buff. For their weight and the fact that they require you be out of cover for longer, there should be some kind of return. Putting 600- 700 rounds into an atlas with the geth plasma rifle just isn't that much fun (assuming it's focusing on someone else and you have that luxury).
No? Thought so...
No... Using glitches an cheating is completely different than nerfing the only good weapons in a class.
You don't seem to understand the difference. Cheating your way to the top will result in a lack of real skill IF those cheaters then start to play properly.
The nerfing of the Harrier is totally unjustified, yes it outclasses every other AR but that is only because the rest are so underpowered.
Give the other ARs the buffs they need and you will see alot less Harriers in games.
As it stands, it is the only AR that feels right, yes it is easy to use but it is hard to master, just like real ARs. All the others are little more than over-weight, under performing SMGs.
Harrier is not the only viable choice in it's category, PPR, Saber, Typhoon and the Falcon are all top notch choices with the right setup, but you can't just slap them on any character and rock the boat the same way you would with a harrier and a little effort with aiming.
The destroyer was overused, it got squashed (too hard if you ask me). The piranha was all too good, guess what happened to it. The claymore also hits like a truck, and yet it avoids the nerfhammer. Why? Because its drawbacks make it a choice with weaknesses as well. The harrier? Rock solid in every relevant aspect if you ask me. There's hardly any reason to pick almost any other weapon over the harrier other than your own personal preference, and i'm not just basing my view on in game experience, but numbers also support my claim.
Let me answer with a similar question. I've outscored hurricane with hornet before (on a Tsol just so you don't have to point out how you gain points from using powers as well). Does it objectively mean that the hornet is better than the hurricane?ZLurps wrote...
I have seen people who are good out scoring Harrier wielders with Mantis, not to mention Widow. Should we nerf those too?
sammerz wrote...
XTR3M3 wrote...
Why does everything have to be equal? Why does it bother people that a bunch of players like to use the harrier? (...).
Because Harrier is, right now, "Easy Mode ON". It is NOT balanced.
Way too much damage, quite stable as well (so damn easy to headshot with it).
taplonaplo wrote...
Let me answer with a similar question. I've outscored hurricane with hornet before (on a Tsol just so you don't have to point out how you gain points from using powers as well). Does it objectively mean that the hornet is better than the hurricane?ZLurps wrote...
I have seen people who are good out scoring Harrier wielders with Mantis, not to mention Widow. Should we nerf those too?
Modifié par ZLurps, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:27 .
ZLurps wrote...
Perhaps things could get even worse, infiltrators start using Harriers too.
taplonaplo wrote...
Tell me, how does a cheater ruin your experience? I get that someone killstealing everything is not your idea of fun, but you are always free to leave the lobby. You don't ban PUGs for sucking, so what makes the cheater any different when he is not glitching? How is him getting weapons faster than you lower your fun with the game?FeralJester616 wrote...
taplonaplo wrote...
It's not a PvP game, so we should let missile glitchers have their way, and enjoy their "hard earned" rewards. After all, it's a coop game, what's it to you that they can clear plat faster than a well coordianted group with their magical boom sticks since you get the credits/XP too! Also them having better weapons is beneficial to you anyway since it'll make the game smoother when they decide to play normally.Kaitus wrote...
Oh except this isn't a PVP game and I don't get why people get so rabid in calling for nerfs. Last I checked this was still a co-op game. Following the OP's intent for this thread, I do think the rare and uncommon ARs could use a bit of a buff. For their weight and the fact that they require you be out of cover for longer, there should be some kind of return. Putting 600- 700 rounds into an atlas with the geth plasma rifle just isn't that much fun (assuming it's focusing on someone else and you have that luxury).
No? Thought so...
No... Using glitches an cheating is completely different than nerfing the only good weapons in a class.
You don't seem to understand the difference. Cheating your way to the top will result in a lack of real skill IF those cheaters then start to play properly.
The nerfing of the Harrier is totally unjustified, yes it outclasses every other AR but that is only because the rest are so underpowered.
Give the other ARs the buffs they need and you will see alot less Harriers in games.
As it stands, it is the only AR that feels right, yes it is easy to use but it is hard to master, just like real ARs. All the others are little more than over-weight, under performing SMGs.
Harrier is not the only viable choice in it's category, PPR, Saber, Typhoon and the Falcon are all top notch choices with the right setup, but you can't just slap them on any character and rock the boat the same way you would with a harrier and a little effort with aiming.
The destroyer was overused, it got squashed (too hard if you ask me). The piranha was all too good, guess what happened to it. The claymore also hits like a truck, and yet it avoids the nerfhammer. Why? Because its drawbacks make it a choice with weaknesses as well. The harrier? Rock solid in every relevant aspect if you ask me. There's hardly any reason to pick almost any other weapon over the harrier other than your own personal preference, and i'm not just basing my view on in game experience, but numbers also support my claim.
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
ZLurps wrote...
Perhaps things could get even worse, infiltrators start using Harriers too.
TGI users say hello.
Schachmatt wrote...
The harrier is fine. I'm with the op that bioware should take a closer look at the other assault rifles in order for some buffing. If she gets nerfed, then someone will start screaming 'nerf the ppr! way too pwerful, broken, more powerful than blah blah blah'.
Btw, I'd love to see the N7HQ of the people who are yelling for nerfs. It would be interesting to know if some of them abuse this topic for brainless bragging, just to feel good for a few seconds. We had enough wonnabes outright lying about their skills in the past when it comes to certain topics.
theillusiveman11 wrote...
Note: Forgive any grammar mistakes, I did my best. Also I'm not as gameplay mechanics savvy as a lot of you, I just use what I enjoy or feel is effective. I have no idea about damage numbers or any of that. This is all layman's opinion.
...It is, though.taplonaplo wrote...
Let me answer with a similar question. I've outscored hurricane with hornet before (on a Tsol just so you don't have to point out how you gain points from using powers as well). Does it objectively mean that the hornet is better than the hurricane?ZLurps wrote...
I have seen people who are good out scoring Harrier wielders with Mantis, not to mention Widow. Should we nerf those too?
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Schachmatt wrote...
The harrier is fine. I'm with the op that bioware should take a closer look at the other assault rifles in order for some buffing. If she gets nerfed, then someone will start screaming 'nerf the ppr! way too pwerful, broken, more powerful than blah blah blah'.
Btw, I'd love to see the N7HQ of the people who are yelling for nerfs. It would be interesting to know if some of them abuse this topic for brainless bragging, just to feel good for a few seconds. We had enough wonnabes outright lying about their skills in the past when it comes to certain topics.
I don't see anyone yelling for nerfs at all. They are stating (with a bit of truth) that the Harrier is too much of a good thing. Also you must know by now that Bioware will never take the tougher task of increasing output of all the other weapons vs. one that is skewed. It has been shown throughout all the balance changes that any particular weapon that is being used more often than any other gets looked at hard.
Liefglinde wrote...
Honestly, can we just increase the
weight some more and call it a day? That would seem to solve the main
argument of making other caster weapons redundant.
Modifié par Schachmatt, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:57 .
I could make snarky remarks how your point of view obviously shows a lack of experience in a situation where the choice of weapon is of relevance, but that doesn't have to do much with the topic at hand does it? I'm entitled to my opinion regarding the weapon and so are you. On the other hand if you can't refrain from making personal attacks for someone not sharing your opinion, i think you have nothing to do at a "Discussion" board. <3CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
The problem is, you're just not very good. You're tired of other players topping the scoreboard and "stealing your kills," and you're calling out the Harrier instead of your own skill deficiencies. Just play the game and don't worry so much about what others are and aren't doing. A good player can do very well with most weapons in the game, get a good score, and get plenty of kills. If you aren't doing these things, it's your fault, not the Harrier's.
So sick of these nerf threads. If any weapon right now is impacting YOUR game in a negative way, you simply aren't good enough, and you're using the Harrier to avoid dealing with your personal feelings of inadequacy.
121210Olivia wrote...
sammerz wrote...
XTR3M3 wrote...
Why does everything have to be equal? Why does it bother people that a bunch of players like to use the harrier? (...).
Because Harrier is, right now, "Easy Mode ON". It is NOT balanced.
Way too much damage, quite stable as well (so damn easy to headshot with it).
Nonsense.
Here's a few reasons worthy of considering WHY.
(1). The amount of time AND effort it takes to level the Harrier to X easily justifies its UR capabilities.
(2). Players, whose preference is for ARs, want to have fun on Gold, not suffer on it. There's only so much time one can give to playing ME3 MP on a weekly basis. The purpose? To have fun. Fun...NOT frustration. Many ARs are, in their current respective states, simply just that: frustrating.
(3). Many, many players have tried, tested and made valid comments on the pathetic levels of other ARs.
The OP's view is spot on.
No offence, but your view simply is not.
Schachmatt wrote...
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Schachmatt wrote...
The harrier is fine. I'm with the op that bioware should take a closer look at the other assault rifles in order for some buffing. If she gets nerfed, then someone will start screaming 'nerf the ppr! way too pwerful, broken, more powerful than blah blah blah'.
Btw, I'd love to see the N7HQ of the people who are yelling for nerfs. It would be interesting to know if some of them abuse this topic for brainless bragging, just to feel good for a few seconds. We had enough wonnabes outright lying about their skills in the past when it comes to certain topics.
I don't see anyone yelling for nerfs at all. They are stating (with a bit of truth) that the Harrier is too much of a good thing. Also you must know by now that Bioware will never take the tougher task of increasing output of all the other weapons vs. one that is skewed. It has been shown throughout all the balance changes that any particular weapon that is being used more often than any other gets looked at hard.
This thread has been turned into a nerf thread shortly after the very first posts. So, it's yelling. And thank you, I'm well aware of biowares tendency to nerf one before to buff more than one. The harrier is not too powerful. It is a weapon with UR status and people need to open a lot of sp/psp's to get this weapon, not to mention getting it leveled to X. Take away 35% of it's damage as someone suggested in this very thread and it's a piece of useless junk. I'm sick of butthurt kids yelling for nerfs because the 'noob with the harrier' had outscored them. Or the vanguard has stolen their kills. Or whatever.
Tallgeese_VII wrote...
BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...
RIP Harrier
(Really? If they haven't even touched the Harrier OR the Reegar so far, they won't do it now. That's just be pathetic)
More people are unlocking Harrier a day after a day...
I don`t know if it needs nerf, but It is extremely popular.
Almost always 1 person using it in every PUG match in my experience.
I personally don`t want it to be nerfed, some players NEED harrier in gold...
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