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[BlastedLands]

ejoslin wrote...

Ah, you are absolutely correct, thank you. Also if you ask him if it would be better for him if you two break up he'll offer it again. Gah, such a sweet moment there, though.

i was afraid to pick that line, tbh^^

[ejoslin]

I'm on replay 9, number 8 with Zevran as the main romance. I'm a little obsessed I'm afraid  I'm an alternative dialog junky!

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 janvier 2010 - 09:41 .

[Addai]

Sialater wrote...

I've discovered, if you have to dump him for Alistair, to tell him up front. And don't mention Al. You take a smaller hit on the approval that way (-13 instead of -26), and save a gift for afterward. He stayed in my party and I had to build a group around him. (I'm waiting to see if I have to choose between the boys again.)

I found this, too.  I got to a point where both Alistair and Zevran were forcing me to choose (agh!  clingy men) and I took a much greater hit if I talked to Alistair first (i.e telling Alistair I choose him) than if i went to Zevran first and said it was over.  I was actually shocked at the sad expression on his face, if I had first spoken to Alistair.

However, I have still always been able to keep his approval warm enough that he fights Taliesin with me.  Flirting with him early on is always a win, even if you reject him later on.  Never picked up on the relationship angle between him and Taliesin, however!  I'm so dense!

[twintalons]

It does depend on approval, but for a *given* level of approval the dialogue must make a difference, because I went back to a saved game and got a completely different outcome (he fights with me versus he leaves us 3 to fight without him) from simply picking a different dialogue line.
Of course if I was higher (or lower) approval I am sure the dialogue wouldn't have mattered.

Today I was playing a different one and approval is 60 Warm (I broke up with him earlier), and weirdly he stays and fights with us but afterward has a chat about wanting to leave , so I said I'd prefer you stay , then he sort of asks again and I say do whatever you want, and he goes!

Wonder what his motivation for leaving at THAT point is? (he killed his ole buddy for goodness sake)

Am I about to be the victim of another assassination attempt??

Hehehe can't believe people buy the 'I left HIM to die' line ......... even Leliana wouldn't buy that line (from Marjolaine)

ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

First off, thanks for the compliments

Second, I also believe that Zevran never intended to come out alive. I remember walking up to the scene and seeing him standing there, fully visible, in armor and thinking: "What? That's a rogue assassin? Where's the poison, the backstab, the stealth?"
In this play-through with my human noble, he never uses any rogue or assassin tricks at all, just straight fighting. Might have been a glitch, but if it was, I rather like that particular glitch.

As for the betrayal, at that point in the game his approval rating hovers between 95 and 100, so he never betrays my PC. I also want to state (somewhat shame-facedly) that I am in the habit of picking the "of course I need to be dead" PC line. I admit it's because I never tire of hearing "And I am not about to let that happen." response.

If he stays out of the fight (no matter how high the approval is) because of certain dialogue choices, we'll have to wait for Ejoslin to clear that up. She'll know

No, it's an approval thing.  I've tried all dialog choices and the only time he's ever left is when the approval was medium (my first play through).

Edit: Even if you say that you'll kill them all, then, Zevran tells you, "There's no need.  I'm not here to betray you," then still fights with you if your approval is high.

Second edit: I actually liked Zevran's reason for ducking out of the fight.  He said something like, I didn't leave you to die, I left him to die."  If his approval isn't that high, doesn't that make sense that he would do that?  I bought it, for sure.  

[Naqey]

Hehe, nice thread indeed, kind of worked as a "romance assistance" thread for me.



I have one question, though, and thought you guys might know: at what point exactley is the Talisien encounter triggered off?

This is my first time doing the Zevran romance, as I've been a firm Alistair fangirl up to now, and it was so hard for me to just ignore Alistair. But now that I've managed to, I'm completely obsessed with Zevran.

I've hit a dead end in the romance though, he's at 100 Adore, and I guess the romance will only go on (with Zevran starting to really care) after I met Taliesin. So I'm just curious. Is it a certain number of main quest lines finished or something?

[twintalons]

It's after you travel from Redcliffe to Denerim with Arl Howe for the Landsmeet. The first time (?) you travel to another location out of the Market I think that's when it triggers the enounter with Taliesin.

[ejoslin]

Arl Eamon . . . And yes, if you are "warm" to Zevran at that encounter, he will want to go afterwards. If you have high enough persuasion, you can get him to stay for the treasure, and he becomes "friendly," otherwise, he just wants his freedom. Though it's possible, if he's below 71 warm, he'll bug you to go anyway -- I don't have my first save game to test that unfortunately. You don't have to worry about another ambush, though. I've only had him ditch me during the fight the once -- it's interesting if he's in that moderate affection level that he may stay or go. I was wondering why so many things stated that when it was something I never encountered.

Edit: It's only if he's romantically involved that he wants to stay -- this should be no surprise.  He says this right from the start -- that if you two grow fond of each other he'll want to stay.  However, again, for treasure, he's also happy to stay.  And his friendship at that point is amazing as well.  Even after all this he may ask to leave, but only if you break up with him.  If he breaks up with you, I don't believe he asks to leave.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 janvier 2010 - 03:49 .

[Addai]

You can also convince Zevran to stay with you "as a friend." I have always done that, with him as Warm (i.e. fighting with you against Taliesin), and he seems pleased that you ask him to do so.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

You can also convince Zevran to stay with you "as a friend." I have always done that, with him as Warm (i.e. fighting with you against Taliesin), and he seems pleased that you ask him to do so.

You know, I think you're right about this.  But he does ask to go, as opposed to telling you he wants to stay.

Edit: Or saying, perhaps I could stay, which is the same thing really.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 janvier 2010 - 03:51 .

[twintalons]

Thanks ejoslin and Addai67 for the info.

I did just let him go as he seemed to want to .... another version of the story unfolds!

[Naqey]

So it's like I feared: I have to do Orzammar before getting the Taliesin encounter. I just hate crawling through those ever dark caves...



I never had Zevran telling me he wanted to leave, though, not on my first play through either, when I wasn't romancing him and had him on "friendly". But I do remember telling him something along the lines of "you can stay as my friend", so maybe that's it.

[ejoslin]

Naqey wrote...

So it's like I feared: I have to do Orzammar before getting the Taliesin encounter. I just hate crawling through those ever dark caves...

I never had Zevran telling me he wanted to leave, though, not on my first play through either, when I wasn't romancing him and had him on "friendly". But I do remember telling him something along the lines of "you can stay as my friend", so maybe that's it.

It's interesting how different ways of playing get you different dialogs.  I love this.  I've never had a playthrough where he wasn't romanced at least a bit -- maybe if it's kept as friendly the entire time, he also tells you he wants to stay.  I know when I've dumped him and had him at 100 warm (he shouldn't turn friendly until after Taliesin) he asked if he could go, but was willing to stay when asked.

On my list of things to try.  I wish this encounter didn't happen so late in the game!

[Sialater]

He did offer to leave Emma Cousland, but I told him there was treasure to be had. I'd had to dump him for Alistair, though, so maybe that's why. But now he's back up to 100%.

[Raiynsong]

I just did another Taliesen encounter tonight. I'm with Alistair this time (at LOVE 100) but Zevran got to adore once, we broke up, and he was back up at Care maybe 6 points away from Adore again. He did NOT stay and fight with me at Care. Frankly, I got pissed off ! (lol) so of course I wanted to talk to him about it. He gave me the line about being close to him and yet leaving him to die but frankly that didn't convince me much. Then he said he could stay or go and I said something like, well I really hope you'll stay. and he has. Now I don't dare talk to him again because I know he's going to ask me to choose him or Alistair and I don't want to have to make that choice... so it's no talking to Zevran any more unless he initiates it

[ejoslin]

He may not fight against Taliesen (nor betray you) if he is at least interested but below 71+ adore. It's also the only way you can question him about his relationship with Taliesen. If you tell Taliesen at that point, "Zevran doesn't need the crows anymore" he'll stay and fight; otherwise, he'll leave. However, if he's at warm, at any level, he'll stay and fight.

To me that makes sense. If he's at "adore" Taliesen is completely in his past and completely irrelevant. If he's at warm, it's also irrelevant. But if he's still conflicted enough between his feelings for the warden and for Taliesen, the warden should be able to question him about him.

Edit: He won't talk to you again if you don't talk to him.  I want to say this in Zevran's behalf.

If you had questioned him about Taliesen at that point, you most likely would have gotten a much clearer image of the relationship between the two -- it was, um, very close.  At that point, he was being forced to choose between two lovers -- one who was offering him a chance at a new life, one who was offering him a chance back to his old one.  Since you two had not reached the serious stage, (since you were at care), it's actually very understandable why he would be so conflicted.  If YOU make it clear that he doesn't need the old life any more, he'll fight with you.  He also warns you, just before he leaves, that there are more of them waiting in ambush.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 février 2010 - 05:10 .

[Raiynsong]

yeah, there were two replies that seemed good to me at this point. the one that you mentioned, which seemed to me as if I was making the decision FOR Zevran (and so this PC didn't pick it) and the one that said "Don't listen to him, Zevran!" or something like that, which I DID pick, because the PC thought it made her intentions known but left the decision to Zevran. So it DOES make sense to me that he would leave the fight at that point (because he is conflicted) whereas he does NOT leave when you use the more forceful "Zev doesn't need the Crows anymore" statement. I do love the subtlety of the dialog choices in this game.



As for the not talking to him anymore... I will probably end up talking to him---he's hard to ignore