Seival wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
You have no idea whether it would be interesting or not.
Sha'ira always has something interesting to say. But usually you have to wait for months to arrive at the long-awaited meeting.
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Seival wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
You have no idea whether it would be interesting or not.
Sha'ira always has something interesting to say. But usually you have to wait for months to arrive at the long-awaited meeting.
You literally have no idea whether it would be interesting or not. Sha'ira does not have enough of a defined character to predict, you have no context except that which you invent.
Seival wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Seival wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
You have no idea whether it would be interesting or not.
Sha'ira always has something interesting to say. But usually you have to wait for months to arrive at the long-awaited meeting.
You literally have no idea whether it would be interesting or not. Sha'ira does not have enough of a defined character to predict, you have no context except that which you invent.
Yes, a lot of interesting things to think about. Characters like Sha'ira always inspire my imagination...
...Sometimes I wonder why my Shepard chosen Liara instead of Sha'ira.
Categorically ncorrect. This is a rumor that was started on the Something Awful forums by someone claiming to be a BW employee, and has been personally debunked by Karpyshyn.TurianRebel212 wrote...
No. The disaster of the ending(s) is a Mac and Casey creation. Karpyshyn, the guy who wrote ME1 and most of ME2 had originally planed the Dark Energy endings. It was a lot better than what we got, and actually makes since in the lore of the game. Not the Deus ex machina we got.
Modifié par humes spork, 08 février 2013 - 10:49 .
Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 février 2013 - 10:53 .
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Seival wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
You have no idea whether it would be interesting or not.
Sha'ira always has something interesting to say. But usually you have to wait for months to arrive at the long-awaited meeting.
You literally have no idea whether it would be interesting or not. Sha'ira does not have enough of a defined character to predict, you have no context except that which you invent.
humes spork wrote...
Categorically ncorrect. This is a rumor that was started on the Something Awful forums by someone claiming to be a BW employee, and has been personally debunked by Karpyshyn.TurianRebel212 wrote...
No. The disaster of the ending(s) is a Mac and Casey creation. Karpyshyn, the guy who wrote ME1 and most of ME2 had originally planed the Dark Energy endings. It was a lot better than what we got, and actually makes since in the lore of the game. Not the Deus ex machina we got.
http://social.biowar...5695/5#10796793
Modifié par mvaning, 09 février 2013 - 03:25 .
mvaning wrote...
The ending was an exact duplicate of the Deus Ex ending. I would hope that in six years they could come up with something original. But since they did not, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they did not plan on the ending from the beginning. Because of this, I really don't have any sympathy for them maintaining their artistic integrity when it wasn't an original idea in the first place.
My words seem a little harsh so I'm going to follow this up by saying that I really enjoy the trilogy (except for the end). I still hope they can find a better solution for the ending than what they currently have. I also hope that there is more peer review and investment in the ending of the next mass effect game so that this sort of controversy won't happen again.
How many times have I said these words? How many times will I say them?Ticonderoga117 wrote...
No, because if they did Sovereign wouldn't have needed Saren to open the Citadel and the Citadel relay would've been opened because there's a freakin' AI in the Citadel's systems!
Auld Wulf wrote...
How many times have I said these words? How many times will I say them?
Catalyst/Harbinger power struggle.
Throw damn near anything at it and it explains it. I've always said that the catalyst and harbinger (and the rest of the reapers) were at loggerheads. See, the catalyst was created to come up with a solution, but it's the reapers that slavishlly follow that solution. If the catalyst changes its mind? Well, too bloody bad, that's not how the reapers were designed; thanks to the arrogance of the leviathans.
So, why did sovereign need aid? The catalyst was resisting.
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Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 09 février 2013 - 11:09 .
Modifié par DinoSteve, 09 février 2013 - 11:08 .
Seival wrote...
humes spork wrote...
Categorically ncorrect. This is a rumor that was started on the Something Awful forums by someone claiming to be a BW employee, and has been personally debunked by Karpyshyn.TurianRebel212 wrote...
No. The disaster of the ending(s) is a Mac and Casey creation. Karpyshyn, the guy who wrote ME1 and most of ME2 had originally planed the Dark Energy endings. It was a lot better than what we got, and actually makes since in the lore of the game. Not the Deus ex machina we got.
http://social.biowar...5695/5#10796793
Hmm...
...Interesting.
Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 09 février 2013 - 12:14 .
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Dark Energy ending is just a rumor. Even if its true it doesn't matter. The dark energy ending shares many similarities to the current endings.
Both involve Shepard being approached by the leader of the Reapers. Both involve the reaper leader convincing Shepard that their actions are not evil, but meant to solve a greater problem (dark energy will kill us all or synthetics vs. organics).
Both involve Shepard potentially choosing to abandon his mission to destroy the reapers, in favor of helping them save the galaxy from a greater danger.
The dark energy idea is stupid because its a problem affecting the entire universe. There's no evidence to suggest the reapers have a presence in every galaxy, so they cannot hope to solve this problem by interfering with the milky way alone. Knowing this, the reaper leader would have to be lying to us.
The synthetic vs. organic idea is even more idiotic because the reapers cause the very problem they were supposedly created to stop. With the exception of the Morning War (The quarians picked that fight, not the geth), all cases of synthetics attacking organics have been caused by the reapers.
The catalyst is counting on players believing that synthetics vs organics is an actual problem when it is not, and allowing the reapers to integrate synthetic tech into all organics ( ie: harvest them). The reaper leader in the dark energy ending is counting on players being dumb enough to believe dark energy is an imminent threat, and the only chance we have of stopping it is to stand back and let the reapers create the human reaper.
TL;DR version: 'Dark energy' is the same "The reapers just want to save us" twist as 'Synthetics VS Organics'.
Modifié par Seival, 09 février 2013 - 03:57 .
Seival wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Dark Energy ending is just a rumor. Even if its true it doesn't matter. The dark energy ending shares many similarities to the current endings.
Both involve Shepard being approached by the leader of the Reapers. Both involve the reaper leader convincing Shepard that their actions are not evil, but meant to solve a greater problem (dark energy will kill us all or synthetics vs. organics).
Both involve Shepard potentially choosing to abandon his mission to destroy the reapers, in favor of helping them save the galaxy from a greater danger.
The dark energy idea is stupid because its a problem affecting the entire universe. There's no evidence to suggest the reapers have a presence in every galaxy, so they cannot hope to solve this problem by interfering with the milky way alone. Knowing this, the reaper leader would have to be lying to us.
The synthetic vs. organic idea is even more idiotic because the reapers cause the very problem they were supposedly created to stop. With the exception of the Morning War (The quarians picked that fight, not the geth), all cases of synthetics attacking organics have been caused by the reapers.
The catalyst is counting on players believing that synthetics vs organics is an actual problem when it is not, and allowing the reapers to integrate synthetic tech into all organics ( ie: harvest them). The reaper leader in the dark energy ending is counting on players being dumb enough to believe dark energy is an imminent threat, and the only chance we have of stopping it is to stand back and let the reapers create the human reaper.
TL;DR version: 'Dark energy' is the same "The reapers just want to save us" twist as 'Synthetics VS Organics'.
You don't like "in fact, villain never was a villain, but you knew nothing about that" concept?
Or you just don't like unpredictable endings in general?
Personally I like both - the mentioned concept and unpredictable endings.
DinoSteve wrote...
How is that possible when the writer for ME1 and ME2 was planning on writing an ending with Dark Energy in mind? They made the plot up to the trilogy as they went along and it shows, its like it was just slapped together at the last minute. It was not written as a trilogy should be, I think there is even a quote from Casey Hudson that roughly says he came up with the ending after playing Deus EX.
Modifié par Seival, 09 février 2013 - 04:20 .
That's one of the things that irritates me the most: How unobservant people are.Seival wrote...
Slapped together at the last minute? Nothing indicates that. The ending is shocking, but not out of place. It fits the narrative just perfectly.
Seival wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
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You don't like "in fact, villain never was a villain, but you knew nothing about that" concept?
Or you just don't like unpredictable endings in general?
Personally I like both - the mentioned concept and unpredictable endings.
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