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[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

You haven't made a counter-argument you've made statements that you haven't been able to back up.

This is what you want to see instead of what really happened. No surprise you like MEHEM so much, so even put it into your signature.

Ignored counter-arguments are not missing counter-arguments. If you have nothing new to say about the ending being planned from the beginning or not, then what are you doing here?

[AresKeith]

And I thought BlueProtoss made baseless statements

/EpicSeivalFacepalm

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

And I thought BlueProtoss made baseless statements

/EpicSeivalFacepalm

Do not go there.  Do not go there.  Do not go there. 

[spirosz]

I remember one time, I asked him simply, please get me a source for your information - he said "use google" or "I don't have to", I'm like really now?

But I believe in Shovel, Seival.

[spirosz]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

All hail Seival! All hail Seival! Bastion of the Catalyst!

We are not worthy, but you grace us with your presence yet again. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Keep fighting the Good Fight.

[The Night Mammoth]

spirosz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And I thought BlueProtoss made baseless statements

/EpicSeivalFacepalm

Do not go there.  Do not go there.  Do not go there. 

Deny deny deny, but ad hominems prove nothing. 

[fiendishchicken]

We'll just let Seival stew in his own delusions.

It's funny when he uses a claim against a person based on their personal preferences as being "unable to see the truth"

Ахал бы дядя, на себя глядя

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

You haven't made a counter-argument you've made statements that you haven't been able to back up.

This is what you want to see instead of what really happened. No surprise you like MEHEM so much, so even put it into your signature.

Ignored counter-arguments are not missing counter-arguments. If you have nothing new to say about the ending being planned from the beginning or not, then what are you doing here?

MEHEH is irrelevent to this discussion. And attempted character assastions aren't typically signs of a solid argument.

Here's a summary what the post between you and Mammoth look like;
Seival: A is true.
Mammoth: How is A true?
Seival: A is proven true by B.
Mammoth: Well no B doesn't prove A because of the following reasons. *Explains*
Seival: No B totally proves A you just don't understand it.
Mammoth: Explain.
Seival: No, it's clear you can't understand it. Here's some generalizations and assumptions about about your mind frame.
Everyone Else: *Facepalm*/*Headdesk*

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 10 février 2013 - 04:54 .

[fiendishchicken]

Greylycantrope wrote...
Everyone Else: *Facepalm*

It's more of a *headdesk*

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

I remember one time, I asked him simply, please get me a source for your information - he said "use google" or "I don't have to", I'm like really now?

But I believe in Shovel, Seival.

What were his favorite lines though? lol


But I believe in Harvey Dent

[GreyLycanTrope]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...
Everyone Else: *Facepalm*

It's more of a *headdesk*

Ammended

[The Night Mammoth]

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I remember one time, I asked him simply, please get me a source for your information - he said "use google" or "I don't have to", I'm like really now?

But I believe in Shovel, Seival.

What were his favorite lines though? lol


But I believe in Harvey Dent

Madness, as you know, is like gravity. 

[mvaning]

The relationship between organics and synthetics was never a major plot in ME. The plot has always focused on the question of the reapers. We know that reapers are a mixture of organic and synthetic but that never implied that their existence was a result of the conflict between synthetics and organics.

In ME1, we know that the reapers use Geth(synthetics) to fight organics. However, this struggle never implied an overall plot of struggle between Synthetics and Organics. The plot is not about that. The plot is about a struggle against a powerful unknown enemy. What and why that enemy exists will later be revealed.

In ME2, the struggle is against the collectors who are organic. The organic/synthetic plot is only addressed in 2 out of 12 loyalty missions. That's hardly a main plot theme. Again, the plot is about fighting an unknown enemy.

In ME3, the struggle between synthetic/organic is address only in the geth/quarian subplot. Again, it is not a main theme of the game.

Furthermore, what you linked is not Shaira's prophecy. Sharia's prophecy is

"I offer you a gift of words. An affirmation of who you are and who you will become. I see your skin, tough as the scales on any turian. Unyielding. A wall between you and everyone else. But it protects you, makes you strong. It is that strength that people are drawn to. It is why you lead and others follow without question. You will need that leadership in the battles to come. This may be who you are but it is not who you will become. It only forms the basis for your future greatness. Remember these words when darkness descends, Commander. "

Nothing in that prophecy implies a struggle between organics and synthetics.

What you are trying to imply is that something said in Planescape Torment points to an ME3 ending. Lets be realistic here. Chris Avellone wrote PT. Mac Walters wrote ME3. These are two completely different development teams -- All of them with their own creative ideas.
Mac Walters interview on ME3:

Nothing he says in that interview implies that the ending was planned from the beginning. On the contrary, it implies the ending was planning during the development of ME3.

I do think that the idea for the ending of ME3 came from another game but not from Planescape Torment and it certainly wasn't designed in 1999 by a completely different development team.  I think it was rushed and ideas were borrowed to get the product out.

Modifié par mvaning, 10 février 2013 - 05:00 .

[AresKeith]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I remember one time, I asked him simply, please get me a source for your information - he said "use google" or "I don't have to", I'm like really now?

But I believe in Shovel, Seival.

What were his favorite lines though? lol


But I believe in Harvey Dent

Madness, as you know, is like gravity. 

All you need is alittle push.... and then you have Seival lolz

[Seival]

fiendishchicken wrote...

We'll just let Seival stew in his own delusions.

It's funny when he uses a claim against a person based on their personal preferences as being "unable to see the truth"

Ахал бы дядя, на себя глядя

Mass Effect trilogy ending is not a delusion, just like pro-enders' opinions.

Right now only two delusions about the ending remain: "successful refusal", and "most people hate the ending". The first delusion will vanish after the upcoming DLC. The second is almost vanished - we just need to wait a little more.

[Grubas]

You hope that the next DLC will be ending related?

[The Night Mammoth]

AresKeith wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I remember one time, I asked him simply, please get me a source for your information - he said "use google" or "I don't have to", I'm like really now?

But I believe in Shovel, Seival.

What were his favorite lines though? lol


But I believe in Harvey Dent

Madness, as you know, is like gravity. 

All you need is alittle push.... and then you have Seival lolz

I'm not letting Sevial bring me down to his level. 

[AresKeith]

Grubas wrote...

You hope that the next DLC will be ending related?

Oh wow, he did say that lol

[Seival]

Grubas wrote...

You hope that the next DLC will be ending related?

Actually, this doesn't matter. But if the ending was planned from the beginning or not - this is really interesting.

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

Mass Effect trilogy ending is not a delusion, just like pro-enders' opinions.

Right now only two delusions about the ending remain: "successful refusal", and "most people hate the ending". The first delusion will vanish after the upcoming DLC. The second is almost vanished - we just need to wait a little more.

So. . . Overlaying words from another game into ME. . .

Hmmmmm.

Modifié par mvaning, 10 février 2013 - 05:32 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Seival wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

We'll just let Seival stew in his own delusions.

It's funny when he uses a claim against a person based on their personal preferences as being "unable to see the truth"

Ахал бы дядя, на себя глядя

Mass Effect trilogy ending is not a delusion, just like pro-enders' opinions.

Right now only two delusions about the ending remain: "successful refusal", and "most people hate the ending". The first delusion will vanish after the upcoming DLC. The second is almost vanished - we just need to wait a little more.

loooooooool you must be looking at a different board then me because 90% of the threads in the Mass Effect 3 Story and Campaign Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)board are about how crappy the ends where.

You are either delusional or you have very selective eyesight. Mass Effect 3 will only be remembered for one thing and that how crappy its ending was.

[Grubas]

Seival wrote...

Grubas wrote...

You hope that the next DLC will be ending related?

Actually, this doesn't matter. But if the ending was planned from the beginning or not - this is really interesting.

Then im glad that the ending wasnt planned from the beginning, as many Devs statted. They had many ideas, barely drafts and were making the story all up as they moved in development. 

Heck! Karp admitted that that Dark Energy plot was one Idea of many.

If bw really tries to backwardjustify the Starbrat for the second time, then i watch this on youtube. No offence. 

[Ageless Face]

Um... What does ME3's ending has to do with Shaira's "prophecy"?

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Um... What does ME3's ending has to do with Shaira's "prophecy"?

The speech from Planescape fits ME narrative (and especially the ending) so perfectly, that sometimes I think that the speech was one of the things that inspired ME writers. The fact that the speech was voiced by Jennifer Hale makes the assumption even more interesting

...Well, and who else is able to tell prophecies in ME except Sha'ira? She is the only one in the trilogy who can be called Oracle.

Modifié par Seival, 10 février 2013 - 06:08 .