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[K_Os2]

Seifer006 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

LOOOOOOL HAHAHAHHA

okay: here's some homework for ya

Forums Search & type: Origin

it's a commendable attempt

Give me just one reason. .

[CosmicKirby]

Cornughon wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Origin is not THAT bad..

yes it is.

Nah it isn't. It's no Steam, but it's not the end of the world. And it supports other payment options than just Credit Card.

GFWL, THAT's bad....

Yeah, pretty much my sentiments on Origin, it's still a negative for me but it won't discourage me from buying a game.

Hey, at the end of the day even if you despise Origin at least it gives Valve "some" competition,  though GoG and Amazon provide a much closer comparison.

[Clearly Balkan]

Master race members use Steam.

Origin .. Yuck.

[Seifer006]

K_Os2 wrote...

sucks for you. Never had that problem. Nor has my CS, L4D friends ever had issues like that...

Also, may I ask: how many times has that happened in comparison to Origin MP? If you have ME3 MP (PC) if not, then don't respond since your crediibilty has been lost...

[bydoritos]

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

bydoritos wrote...

Don't get me wrong, i don't like origin too, but I hate origin for the same reasons why I hate steam.
(why do I need a third party software to run the game that I bought) I do love steam sales though, but origin does some amazing sales as well.

Because in the age of the Internet there has to be DRM. Remember the Dreamcast? Remember how piracy basically killed that console?

Steam and Origin are the most fair forms of DRM out there. Or would you rather have a limited number of installations per CD key? Because I dunno about you, but having to log into Steam (where I can chat with my friends and browse the internet without having to alt-tab the game) is a lot better than that.

In terms of Steam vs Origin, Origin is simply an inferior, buggier version of Steam. Both are still better than GFWL though.

 
 
About your comments  on the DRM issue.
here's the thing, do you know Cd projekt?  well you should, they did the amazing the witcher series...
guess what those crazy nerds did... they had the balls to sell the witcher 2 on PC WITHOUT DRM.
it sold quite a lot of copies in fact.
so, what you are saying that basicaly DRM is a necessary evil, to stop piracy, it's not true at all.
gamers don't like BS DRM softwares, and if the DRM hurts the player enjoyment too much they will go out of their way to disable the DRM.

and even though I would agree that steam and origin are the less invasive ways of DRM, they don't remove third
party DRM.
like many games on steam and on Origin as well, also have GFWL so, it's just another barrier for legitimate
gamers.


 
Also about "origin being a bug version of steam, I'm sorry but I think this BS.. I have way more problems with steam that I ever had with origin (like games missing from my library/cd keys not working/ downloading speed limits/ the total BS offline mode of Steam and all that.
And I do know a lot of problems that origin have, but steam is definitly not the perfect software that people here claim to be.

Modifié par bydoritos, 26 novembre 2012 - 12:21 .

[HolyAvenger]

I never made the argument that Origin is as good as Steam, don't put any words in my mouth. All I said was that having a competitor product is better for consumers in the long run. If Steam continues to offer the superior service, they will continue to be the market leaders and keep their profits. If Origin ups their game, then both services will improve as they innovate and try and win and keep customers.

I can't believe people are actually trying to argue that consumers in the videogaming sector should have less choice. That's truly idiotic. This kind of blind loyalty is nonsense. I wanted the widest choice possible. I want Valve and EA to compete for my money. I don't want to have to turn to Steam because I have no other option.

TL;DR: Steam is better, but competition is good.

[Seifer006]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Master race members use Steam.

Origin .. Yuck.

This. So Much This.

BTW

Just got the Bloodpack Banner within 20minutes ago



I'm very well happy since it took a long ass time

[TrollBerzerker01]

K_Os2 wrote...

So you took a screenshot from Steam when it was first getting going and admittedly terrible. That's not Steam in its current form.

May I just say, though? God bless the Bioware mods for tolerating this thread.

[Chevyboy88]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Chevyboy88 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

To be fair, I do think Steam's monopoly needed to be challenged. Competition is good for consumers.

Origin does need to improve a lot though (although its getting there, its better than it used to be).

I dislike monopolies however calling steam one is while technically true, a bit silly since they offer amazing deals, impecable service and Valve is one of the last great hopes for PC gaming. The big dislike I have with them (and all services alike) is that at the core, it is still DRM.

Edit. To clarify, to me a monoply hinders service in some manner, be it through price or through lack of quality product(s).

The whole point is that Origin's very existence forces them to keep offering those amazing deals and great service, as otherwise they could get lazy and complacent if they didn't have any serious competitors. 

Steam had no competition before Origin came along, not much has changed I guess, and they offered amazing deals, great service for many years. I don't see the point you are trying to make in this case as since Steam was created it has never had any competition yet has never become "lazy".

[TrollBerzerker01]

bydoritos wrote...
 
 
About your comments  on the DRM issue.
here's the thing, do you know Cd projekt?  well you should, they did the amazing the witcher series...
guess what those crazy nerds did... they had the balls to sell the witcher 2 on PC WITHOUT DRM.
it sold quite a lot of copies in fact.
so, what you are saying that basicaly DRM is a necessary evil, to stop piracy, it's not true at all.
gamers don't like BS DRM softwares, and if the DRM hurts the player enjoyment too much they will go out of their way to disable the DRM.

and even though I would agree that steam and origin are the less invasive ways of DRM, they don't remove third
party DRM.
like many games on steam and on Origin as well, also have GFWL so, it's just another barrier for legitimate
gamers.


 
Also about "origin being a bug version of steam, I'm sorry but I think this BS.. I have way more problems with steam that I ever had with origin (like games missing from my library/cd keys not working/ downloading speed limits/ the total BS offline mode of Steam and all that.
And I do know a lot of problems that origin have, but steam is definitly not the perfect software that people here claim to be.

I've never had a single problem that you listed with Steam. Not a one. And I've used the service for years. You want to hear a real problem? My friend pre-ordered the Mass Effect Trilogy in Origin and didn't get it until several days after it was officially released.

As for the CD projekt thing, saying that DRM isn't a necessary evil is naive. It might have worked once but I have an entire failed console to prove to you why it's necessary.

[Nicksta92]

Seifer006 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Steam wants to be able to sell any DLC for a game on Steam. EA didn't want to let them sell the DLC. Neither wanted to budge, so the game is just on Origin.

I like what Gabe Newell Said:

"rather see Valve disintegrate over time rather than sell out to a company like Electronic Arts."


Gabe Newell Rulez

I seriously voted Gabe Newell for VP in the 2012 US Presidential election.  He is phenominal.

[K_Os2]

Seifer006 wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

sucks for you. Never had that problem. Nor has my CS, L4D friends ever had issues like that...

Also, may I ask: how many times has that happened in comparison to Origin MP? If you have ME3 MP (PC) if not, then don't respond since your credibilty has been lost...

I get DC'd from origin about the same as steam, if you want to count client crashes, game closues due to updates then steam a lot more. And to be fair I only experience DCs on origin when playing ME3, and I own and played just about every valve source game on steam.

[Seifer006]

K_Os2 wrote...

I get DC'd from origin about the same as steam,

where you live? Out on the Islands offshore of Japan?

[Chevyboy88]

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

bydoritos wrote...
 
 
About your comments  on the DRM issue.
here's the thing, do you know Cd projekt?  well you should, they did the amazing the witcher series...
guess what those crazy nerds did... they had the balls to sell the witcher 2 on PC WITHOUT DRM.
it sold quite a lot of copies in fact.
so, what you are saying that basicaly DRM is a necessary evil, to stop piracy, it's not true at all.
gamers don't like BS DRM softwares, and if the DRM hurts the player enjoyment too much they will go out of their way to disable the DRM.

and even though I would agree that steam and origin are the less invasive ways of DRM, they don't remove third
party DRM.
like many games on steam and on Origin as well, also have GFWL so, it's just another barrier for legitimate
gamers.


 
Also about "origin being a bug version of steam, I'm sorry but I think this BS.. I have way more problems with steam that I ever had with origin (like games missing from my library/cd keys not working/ downloading speed limits/ the total BS offline mode of Steam and all that.
And I do know a lot of problems that origin have, but steam is definitly not the perfect software that people here claim to be.

I've never had a single problem that you listed with Steam. Not a one. And I've used the service for years. You want to hear a real problem? My friend pre-ordered the Mass Effect Trilogy in Origin and didn't get it until several days after it was officially released.

As for the CD projekt thing, saying that DRM isn't a necessary evil is naive. It might have worked once but I have an entire failed console to prove to you why it's necessary.

Failed console or not, DRM does NOTHING but punsh the consumer. While I agree that something should be done, DRM is not the answer as every form of DRM can and has been cracked so it does little more than slow down pirates, meanwhile the paying consumer gets to deal with the "necessary evil".

Steam I think, is a somewhat happy middle ground, while it is still DRM at it's core it does offer enough benefit for the vast majority to overlook that fact. All other forums of DRM are archaic and sould be scrapped for a system that actually works or at least doesn't punish the paying customers.

Equally naive to say that DRM is necessary.

Modifié par Chevyboy88, 26 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[DeathIsHere]

bydoritos wrote...

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

bydoritos wrote...

Don't get me wrong, i don't like origin too, but I hate origin for the same reasons why I hate steam.
(why do I need a third party software to run the game that I bought) I do love steam sales though, but origin does some amazing sales as well.

Because in the age of the Internet there has to be DRM. Remember the Dreamcast? Remember how piracy basically killed that console?

Steam and Origin are the most fair forms of DRM out there. Or would you rather have a limited number of installations per CD key? Because I dunno about you, but having to log into Steam (where I can chat with my friends and browse the internet without having to alt-tab the game) is a lot better than that.

In terms of Steam vs Origin, Origin is simply an inferior, buggier version of Steam. Both are still better than GFWL though.

 
 
About your comments  on the DRM issue.
here's the thing, do you know Cd projekt?  well you should, they did the amazing the witcher series...
guess what those crazy nerds did... they had the balls to sell the witcher 2 on PC WITHOUT DRM.
it sold quite a lot of copies in fact.
so, what you are saying that basicaly DRM is a necessary evil, to stop piracy, it's not true at all.
gamers don't like BS DRM softwares, and if the DRM hurts the player enjoyment too much they will go out of their way to disable the DRM.

and even though I would agree that steam and origin are the less invasive ways of DRM, they don't remove third
party DRM.
like many games on steam and on Origin as well, also have GFWL so, it's just another barrier for legitimate
gamers.


 
Also about "origin being a bug version of steam, I'm sorry but I think this BS.. I have way more problems with steam that I ever had with origin (like games missing from my library/cd keys not working/ downloading speed limits/ the total BS offline mode of Steam and all that.
And I do know a lot of problems that origin have, but steam is definitly not the perfect software that people here claim to be.

Nobody ever claimed Steam was perfect but you're missing the point here. For one thing, I explained the offline mode of Steam in my last post, too lazy to redo that. The point is, Origin isn't nearly as good as Steam even with Steam's shortcomings. Origin has even been worse than it is now (I flat out refused to even consider it at one point when they had it in their EULA that they snoop through your PC and send information to third party companies without your consent). They got villainized for that and rightfully so, took it out real quick. This is the issue with EA. They're trying to do it for the money plain and simple. If Steam had never been commercially successful, EA wouldn't even try it. They're ripping off Steam and failing at it.

As for the DRM, I'd much rather have Steam authenticate a game once than say Assassin's Creed II's always on DRM where if you disconnected from the internet you lost all progress. That doesn't sound fun. Does Steam fix that? No. But it gives developers the chance to keep it from being enacted in the first place. Not every developer is gonna jump to CD Projekt's side and get rid of DRM (I agree with you on that point, DRM is pointless) so Steam (and Origin, even) is there to give the developers the option to have a good DRM that doesn't kill everything for the players. I haven't had any trouble with any game I've purchased on Steam and I've bought quite a few.

[StarcloudSWG]

Because Steam wants a cut of all DLC sold to a user of a game that's been bought through Steam. EA doesn't want to give up that income. Thus, they set up Origin, which sucks with frequent downtimes, slow and unreliable communications, and the inability to stay active without going online. Despite their supposed 'offline' mode.

[Seifer006]

DeathIsHere wrote...

 the offline mode of Steam

offline mode of Steam is far in superority then "invisble mode" is to origin...

[HolyAvenger]

Companies with monopolies BECOME lazy when they stay monopolies. Monopolies that have no competition have no reason to innovate and have little reason to keep customers happy.

When Steam started, digital delivery was not popular and its main competition was storefronts. Now it dominates digital delivery solutions, and as a customer I want to look at alternatives when I'm after a certain game. Consider DAO now. Steam price? 9 euros. Origin price? 5 euros. Why should I be forced to consider only Steam when Origin is offering me a choice.

Consumer choice is always good, and I'll never hear a reasonable argument otherwise.

[K_Os2]

Seifer006 wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

I get DC'd from origin about the same as steam,

where you live? Out on the Islands offshore of Japan?

No, I should be asking you that if disconnects are a problem, I can count on one hand the number or times I've been dc'd.

[TrollBerzerker01]

Chevyboy88 wrote...


Failed console or not, DRM does NOTHING but punsh the consumer. While I agree that something should be done, DRM is not the answer as every form of DRM can and has been cracked so it does little more than slow down pirates, meanwhile the paying consumer gets to deal with the "necessary evil".

Steam I think, is a somewhat happy middle ground, while it is still DRM at it's core it does offer enough benefit for the vast majority to overlook that fact. All other forums of DRM are archaic and sould be scrapped for a system that actually works or at least doesn't punish the paying customers.

Equally naive to say that DRM is necessary.

People like to say pirates are fast to crack it without realizing the difference between a game with no DRM and a game that pirates have cracked.

No DRM means EVERYONE can pirate the game, and one person buying a copy of the game means every single one of their friends also now has a copy. With pirates you still have to go through the trouble of cracking the game, and if it's an online game then you won't be able to play unless you're only doing games with friends using hamachi or something.

Yes, DRM punishes the consumer more than the pirate. Yes, DRM causes people to seek piracy. But people only really care if the form of DRM is unfair. Steam and even Origin are incredible services and very nice solutions to the problem. People don't generally try to pirate a game that uses Steam as DRM, only games which limit your CD key uses.

[Chevyboy88]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Companies with monopolies BECOME lazy when they stay monopolies. Monopolies that have no competition have no reason to innovate and have little reason to keep customers happy.

When Steam started, digital delivery was not popular and its main competition was storefronts. Now it dominates digital delivery solutions, and as a customer I want to look at alternatives when I'm after a certain game. Consider DAO now. Steam price? 9 euros. Origin price? 5 euros. Why should I be forced to consider only Steam when Origin is offering me a choice.

Consumer choice is always good, and I'll never hear a reasonable argument otherwise.

You do realize, steam does not set the prices (aside from Valve games) the publishers do. DAO price difference? Who is the publisher? Might want to have a look at EA.

Again choice is good, but to say that Origin is making Steam better due to competition when Steam was great as the monolopy for a decade...

[Seifer006]

I also want to add this Pic:



this means, I'm unable to play SP,  since I have the Collectors Edition ME3. Even know EA servers ie ORIGIN not recognize me for some damn reason (even know I'm logged in)...............................


yeah to those who say I don't have arguments. I need not have to prove myself to you Pyjacks

[bydoritos]

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

bydoritos wrote...
 
 
About your comments  on the DRM issue.
here's the thing, do you know Cd projekt?  well you should, they did the amazing the witcher series...
guess what those crazy nerds did... they had the balls to sell the witcher 2 on PC WITHOUT DRM.
it sold quite a lot of copies in fact.
so, what you are saying that basicaly DRM is a necessary evil, to stop piracy, it's not true at all.
gamers don't like BS DRM softwares, and if the DRM hurts the player enjoyment too much they will go out of their way to disable the DRM.

and even though I would agree that steam and origin are the less invasive ways of DRM, they don't remove third
party DRM.
like many games on steam and on Origin as well, also have GFWL so, it's just another barrier for legitimate
gamers.


 
Also about "origin being a bug version of steam, I'm sorry but I think this BS.. I have way more problems with steam that I ever had with origin (like games missing from my library/cd keys not working/ downloading speed limits/ the total BS offline mode of Steam and all that.
And I do know a lot of problems that origin have, but steam is definitly not the perfect software that people here claim to be.

I've never had a single problem that you listed with Steam. Not a one. And I've used the service for years. You want to hear a real problem? My friend pre-ordered the Mass Effect Trilogy in Origin and didn't get it until several days after it was officially released.

As for the CD projekt thing, saying that DRM isn't a necessary evil is naive. It might have worked once but I have an entire failed console to prove to you why it's necessary.

Yeah, that kind of stuff happen in origin as well.
I use steam for 2 years now.
and i do have quite a lot of problems with it.
I still going to use it, because I have like 100 games on it, but still i know the BS that steam can give sometimes and that is why I really don't like this comments saying that steam is perfect.. that's is simple not the case.

and about the DRM issue.
again, on PC is different. Do you know why DRM will never work? because people will break it for the challenge.
Big publishers need to stop trying to fight against this because it's a lost war and they are hurting legitimate
costumers... costumers that will NEVER again buy their product (i'm lookin at you microsoft and your stupid
GFWL) 
And what CD projekt had tried to do is to create good will with the gamers.. guess what? IT WORKED! GoG is a
sucess and most of their games don't have DRM.  (i actually think that all of their games are DRM free.)

[Seifer006]

K_Os2 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

I get DC'd from origin about the same as steam,

where you live? Out on the Islands offshore of Japan?

No, I should be asking you that if disconnects are a problem.

I and so many others who bought ME3 from Origin............

[Enhanced]

Both suck equally because they require you to be online to activate offline mode.