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[HolyAvenger]

Fair enough, did not know that regarding Steam pricing.

[Tatsumaki]

Whatever happened to just launching the software via a desktop icon? All that these integrated UI platform all-in-one stuff has brought nothing but multitude of problems for the end users.

DRM & Piracy? Just make playing online require a valid CD-Key like how it was back then. Sure anyone can pirate and crack and play Single Player, but multiplayer, Co-op, Head to head is where the fun is.

Furthermore its not like these steam games are not also cracked and pirated anyways therefore the whole DRM piracy problem is still prevalent.

[xsmiv]

K_Os2 wrote...

What happens when a great game that you're looking forward to gets tied to the service as exclusive? ...not play it? That's just stupid.

I disagree.  My decision to not buy any more games through Origin is me voting with my wallet.  I hope (faintly) that EA will eventually give up on Origin.  I'm trying to help that process along by ensuring that they make less money off of me through Origin than they would have without Origin. 

Simply put, after ME3, I can't think of any upcoming EA titles so good that I'm willing to keep dealing with Origin.  There are plenty of other quality games out there.

[Anagorrax]

Tatsumaki wrote...

Whatever happened to just launching the software via a desktop icon? All that these integrated UI platform all-in-one stuff has brought nothing but multitude of problems for the end users.

DRM & Piracy? Just make playing online require a valid CD-Key like how it was back then. Sure anyone can pirate and crack and play Single Player, but multiplayer, Co-op, Head to head is where the fun is.

Furthermore its not like these steam games are not also cracked and pirated anyways therefore the whole DRM piracy problem is still prevalent.

Totally with you on this.

[Barneyk]

K_Os2 wrote...

It wasn't the first, there was also D2D and Stardock's digital distribution service, both older, it succeeded where they failed because Valve also developed games the other two companies didn't.

The reason for Steams explosive success isn't that valve developed games, it was that the most popular computer game the world had ever seen required it.

[DivineAura]

Enhanced wrote...

Both suck equally because they require you to be online to activate offline mode.

Really? :/
Both worked without an active connection. Steam fixed that long time ago. You still have to log in to Origin with your ID.

[NikkoJT]

I wish ME3 was on Steam, or at least didn't require Origin, I really do. Then, instead of having to juggle two separate friends lists and clients, I could use the same one. Xbox and PS3 have unified clients and friends lists; why shouldn't PC?

(Yes, I am aware you can add Origin to Steam. It's still kludgy though, and starting Origin through Steam can take multiple attempts. It also lists you as "playing Origin" in Steam, which is kind of annoying.)

Also Origin is a bit crap, so there's that too.

[Klokateer]

Why is Steam better than Origin?  Are you looking for personal reasons or more objective reasons?

Here is kinda my bottom line: EA has done everything to alienate consumers whereas Valve has done the opposite (consistantly, over a span of many years) and garnered tons and tons of goodwill.

When you hear the term "matchmaking" do you immediately cringe?  I kinda do.  To me that's a consolized version of multiplayer but hey, PC porting is hard (or something) and we PC gamers should feel lucky that EA even bothers with our platform.  Whereas with Valve games, many of them still have dedicated servers up and running.  Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2.  Other developer's games also have dedicated servers running that take advantage of Steamworks.  Steam also provides a lot of SDK and free tools so that consumers themselves can set up their own dedicated servers for various games.  Steam also begs you to mod their games.  I mean really.  The modding community is insane and it's so simple to mount mods onto Valve games, you just plop the EXE into the Sourcemods directory.  Poof.  This is all becoming even more streamlined with the Steam Workshop and mods (and mods turned full games) are getting more exposure via (albeit newly implemented) Greenlight system.  Does Origin have ANY of this?  No.  Will they ever have programs or systems implented to compete on such a scale?  No.  Why would they?  They don't even want people to mod their games as it is.  Steam also runs on MAC and has a mobile app which Origin is only just now getting around to (I don't really fault them here, but it is something Steam has over Origin).  While Origin is only just figuring out MAC, Valve is moving on to broadening Steam's Linux compatibility (it's in beta right now).  Steam boasts 2000 titles available for digital download and when I check Origin under "PC" I get a list that tops out at 306.  Alrighty then.

I haven't even mentioned the Steam sales, no need to.  Does Steam have some annoying quirks?  Of course.  Is it still technically DRM?  Yes.  I'm not saying it's perfect by any means but I do think that Origin is manifestly inferior and likely will remain so.

Modifié par Klokateer, 26 novembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Methew]

After six pages I hope to god somebody stated the obvious answer of "Because EA."

[ZoM_Head]

Origin sells Saints row the third> Full package for euros 39.99

Steam sells the same game, full package + all dlcs for euros 12,49 first 2 days of sale.

They are so far behind steam in prices, just can not see Origin come close to steam even after 5 years.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here are the differences between Steam & Origin : 

1- Steam uses less memory than Origin. Origin's memory usage doesn't chage one bit even if you minimize it. Steam's get lesser when you minimize it.

2:-  Steam offers advertising, selling, downloading, managing, VIOP via Skype, IM service, Gaming RSS Feed, Mod Workshops, Community Group pages. Origin is a souped up EA Downloader & it only offers download, management and IM service.

3:-  Steam provides a wider selection of games from different publishers. Origin is almost exclusively for EA games. Yes there are other publishers now but they are little.  

4:-  Steam's store page is more developed. It offers New Releases, Coming Soon, Special Offers, Top Sellers. Recent Added, Publisher Catalog, Special Offers, Greenlight Games. There is a lot to look for & you will find something in there. Sometimes it is even overwhelming to some people. I am used to handling lots of data so that is not a big problem for me. Origin is lame and basic. There is too little in the store page & usually you will see the same game listed twice or thrice. 

4:-  Steam also has a better and more customizable game library. You can view games in 3 different ways & you will be sure to have more games on Steam because it caters more publishers. Also Steam has information regarding your friends who own the game, who reviewed the game, news about that game, achievements. The detailed view shows game's icon, Metacritic score, when you last played, etc. It is much like an OS but executed more smoothly. 
Origin's game library is bland & boring.  It is very spartan and neither of its 2 views give us more info on our games. We don't have a search box & we can't see what our friends who own the same game has done .

5:-  Steam has security options. It's called Steam Guard . It is optional so you can choose not to have it so it is not forced on you. What it does is if your log in from another computer, you will need special code emailed to you & have it verified. You have some security protection from account thefts. Origin has no security options. Nothing. All you have is some form of notification out of nowhere saying your account is currently in use. & can just log onto Origin by just knowing user name and password. Makes account thefts easier. 

5:-  Steam offers more value. There is news, updates, communties, mods, support for Indie developers. Origin does none of that. Also Steam is now on TV.

Bottom line, Steam is miles better than Origin. Origin is just a spiced EA Download Manager. I really hope EA stops Origin and gives Steam the ability to sell EA Games back. 

[bydoritos]

ZoM_Head wrote...

Origin sells Saints row the third> Full package for euros 39.99

Steam sells the same game, full package + all dlcs for euros 12,49 first 2 days of sale.

They are so far behind steam in prices, just can not see Origin come close to steam even after 5 years.

the prices are set by the publisher.
which in the case of saints row is THQ. 

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Steam Released: 2003
Origin Released: 2011


LOL there is no way Origins can close that kind of a time gap....steam got this in the bag.....

[TrollBerzerker01]

The Sin just nailed it.

It's worth noting that Steam also has a mobile app for the phone that allows you to chat with your friends and browse the store wherever you go. I don't believe Origin has that.

[bydoritos]

The Sin wrote...

Here are the differences between Steam & Origin : 

1- Steam uses less memory than Origin. Origin's memory usage doesn't chage one bit even if you minimize it. Steam's get lesser when you minimize it.

2:-  Steam offers advertising, selling, downloading, managing, VIOP via Skype, IM service, Gaming RSS Feed, Mod Workshops, Community Group pages. Origin is a souped up EA Downloader & it only offers download, management and IM service.

3:-  Steam provides a wider selection of games from different publishers. Origin is almost exclusively for EA games. Yes there are other publishers now but they are little.  

4:-  Steam's store page is more developed. It offers New Releases, Coming Soon, Special Offers, Top Sellers. Recent Added, Publisher Catalog, Special Offers, Greenlight Games. There is a lot to look for & you will find something in there. Sometimes it is even overwhelming to some people. I am used to handling lots of data so that is not a big problem for me. Origin is lame and basic. There is too little in the store page & usually you will see the same game listed twice or thrice. 

4:-  Steam also has a better and more customizable game library. You can view games in 3 different ways & you will be sure to have more games on Steam because it caters more publishers. Also Steam has information regarding your friends who own the game, who reviewed the game, news about that game, achievements. The detailed view shows game's icon, Metacritic score, when you last played, etc. It is much like an OS but executed more smoothly. 
Origin's game library is bland & boring.  It is very spartan and neither of its 2 views give us more info on our games. We don't have a search box & we can't see what our friends who own the same game has done .

5:-  Steam has security options. It's called Steam Guard . It is optional so you can choose not to have it so it is not forced on you. What it does is if your log in from another computer, you will need special code emailed to you & have it verified. You have some security protection from account thefts. Origin has no security options. Nothing. All you have is some form of notification out of nowhere saying your account is currently in use. & can just log onto Origin by just knowing user name and password. Makes account thefts easier. 

5:-  Steam offers more value. There is news, updates, communties, mods, support for Indie developers. Origin does none of that. Also Steam is now on TV.

Bottom line, Steam is miles better than Origin. Origin is just a spiced EA Download Manager. I really hope EA stops Origin and gives Steam the ability to sell EA Games back. 

Interesting post.
good read.
I don't agree with everything that you said, especially the topics 2/3/4 I think it's more because of how new origin is.
EA started I think it was last year or something like that, and I know that it was the EA download manager before.
but that was when EA only used the program for their games.
only now that they started branching with origin selling games from other publishers.

also don't agree with this

Bottom line, Steam is miles better than Origin. Origin is just a spiced EA Download Manager. I really hope EA stops Origin and gives Steam the ability to sell EA Games back. 

basicaly you want steam to have monopoly over the digital market. which nobody should every ask for.

edit: fix quotes.

Modifié par bydoritos, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[Seifer006]

The Sin wrote...

Bottom line, Steam is miles better than Origin. Origin is just a spiced
EA Download Manager. I really hope EA stops Origin and gives Steam the
ability to sell EA Games back. .

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

The Sin just nailed it.
.

Completely Agree

[Xaijin]

1. Steam was just as bad as Origin when it launched. How quickly people forget that it took the average bad ass computer about 10-18 hours to decrypt HL2 after spending several hours downloading it. Installing steam was mandatory, and there was no offline mode until your copy was registered. The broken CS:S update gif still comes up on the first page of google, and that was a very real thing for quite a long time.

2. Steam still doesn't give refunds if your OS or hardware is incompatible, and since they use 3rd party specs and marketing to advertise said games, there's still a very real chance you can buy some **** that does not work for your system. No refund.

3. Every Valve game going forward will have a mandatory online component, no matter what. Sounds like some other company?

4. Valve and Steam as an entity have both been changing their policy on both content and mods pretty drastically, and it's not a change for the better, unless you're a fan of apple's draconian content control.

There's no denying which service is better by any stretch of the imagination, but Valve aren't saints nor are they the savior of PC gaming; in fact they're heading pretty much the same direction everyone else is, just with better overhead and at a slower pace.

Valve is a business, period. A much better partner and publisher than EA for certain devs, but not for everyone.

Under the current regime, there's no way in hell EA is going to change their policies. If you want another example look at how long it took Nintendo to actually give independent devs any kind of support. If you think EA is going to be different, you're in for a long wait.

EA wants to become an entertainment service that covers and monetizes everything. It's not like they've been shy about it.

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[BridgeBurner]

Steam is better than Origin, because I don't need to have steam online to play any of those games.

I can load a game, then quit steam and still play. So if steam crashes, I don't get booted from my game.

Origin needs to be untied from the game; so ME3 can run independently from origin.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Xaijin wrote...

1. Steam was just as bad as Origin when it launched. How quickly people forget that it took the average bad ass computer about 10-18 hours to decrypt HL2 after spending several hours downloading it. Installing steam was mandatory, and there was no offline mode until your copy was registered. The broken CS:S update gif still comes up on the first page of google, and that was a very real thing for quite a long time.

2. Steam still doesn't give refunds if your OS or hardware is incompatible, and since they use 3rd party specs and marketing to advertise said games, there's still a very real chance you can buy some **** that does not work for your system. No refund.

3. Every Valve game going forward will have a mandatory online component, no matter what. Sounds like some other company?

4. Valve and Steam as an entity have both been changing their policy on both content and mods pretty drastically, and it's not a change for the better, unless you're a fan of apple's draconian content control.

There's no denying which service is better by any stretch of the imagination, but Valve aren't saints nor are they the savior of PC gaming; in fact they're heading pretty much the same direction everyone else is, just with better overhead and at a slower pace.

Valve is a business, period. A much better partner and publisher than EA for certain devs, but not for everyone.

Under the current regime, there's no way in hell EA is going to change their policies. If you want another example look at how long it took Nintendo to actually give independent devs any kind of support. If you think EA is going to be different, you're in for a long wait.

EA wants to become an entertainment service that covers and monetizes everything. It's not like they've been shy about it.

one ring...i mean platform to rule them all?

[Seifer006]

Modifié par Seifer006, 01 septembre 2013 - 03:03 .

[N7-RedFox]

The reason EA don't like to use Steam is because Steam takes a small portion of their profits for being a sales Agent. Also, Steam/Valve has its own quality assurance checks and can reject a game or dlc or a patch and ask the game devs to remake it if they think it needs to be re-done correctly.

Just think how many patches and balance changes we have had so far. If steam/valve had used their QA team to make sure things were working as they were supposed to then 1 of 2 things may have come to pass.

1) We would have a much less buggy game

2) The patches that didn't fix things like they said they would, would never have been released and we wouldn't have half as many balance changes or 'fixes' because some of the modifications bioware made would never have passed the QA tests.

EA wanted stuff to be released on their terms only... whether it was ready or not.

[Xaijin]

Seifer006 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Steam is better than Origin, because I don't need to have steam online to play any of those games.

I can load a game, then quit steam and still play. So if steam crashes, I don't get booted from my game.

Origin needs to be untied from the game; so ME3 can run independently from origin.

This. So Much This.

I noticed this BS right away (especially those with ME3: CE) because of the DLC, if origin is being gay, it won't allow me to play SP nor MP..........even though I logged into Origin (since you have too anyway)

Also what pisses me off, is the "invisble" button. That **** doesn't work. I still have friends on my list, who still can see me, chat & send invites.............well there goes that genius idea out the damn window.......

If I'm going to do a Solo (say trying to get an achievement) someone can (and does) join my Private game AND RUINS MY GOLD RUN

I HATE O.R.I.G.I.N.

I don't know anyone who likes it, and that inlcudes devs. Still not gonna change the zeitgeist.

[MP-Ryan]

Xaijin wrote...

1. Steam was just as bad as Origin when it launched. 

And this is the number 1 reason why Origin is crap.

EA had EIGHT YEARS to look at what Steam offered and, if they decided to enter that market space, emulate and expand upon that service to provide a better experience.

Instead, they gave us Beta origin - buggy, broken, featureless, and as bad or worse than Steam was when it released eight years ago.

THAT is why origin is garbage and why EA will not see another purchase from me outside of ME3 DLC.  After this game, I'm done with their awful, awful platform.

[Xaijin]

MP-Ryan wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

1. Steam was just as bad as Origin when it launched. 

And this is the number 1 reason why Origin is crap.

EA had EIGHT YEARS to look at what Steam offered and, if they decided to enter that market space, emulate and expand upon that service to provide a better experience.

Instead, they gave us Beta origin - buggy, broken, featureless, and as bad or worse than Steam was when it released eight years ago.

THAT is why origin is garbage and why EA will not see another purchase from me outside of ME3 DLC.  After this game, I'm done with their awful, awful platform.

Depends on how much you like Dead Space I guess; *shrug*

[Mindfane]

Frankly I do not think Origin is that bad. I never had any serious problem with it. The disconnection issues are related to the EA servers being unstable.

For me origin starts much faster than steam. I always have trouble with steam like it freezing in the Authenticating.. dialog etc. Never had such problems with Origin so far.

But to be honest, I prefer the old ay where games imply started without any client application running in background. But that is not going to happen. Allmost all games now need some crappy client app running in the background like, steam, uplay, origin, GFWL..