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[Taint Master]

Merrill wasn't that popular. I'd guess we're more likely to see Isabella or Morrigan again.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Meh

[TEWR]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

StElmo wrote...
What do you think?

I think Merrils personality will be changed radically for the second time if she returns. 

I mean honestly. How does Merrils personality go from confident, slighty bossy, straight edge by the books girl.
To becoming a nervous, quiet, radical, spaz between the events of DA:O to DA2? 

How? I ask. 

I miss DA:O Merril.. 

She's exactly the same as she was in DAO, considering that all of the interactions Merrill had in DAO was with her clan. 

In both games, she's confident around her clan members. When Paivel says to her in DAII "For someone so intent on leaving, you're sticking around an awful lot" you know what her response is?

"Don't get your knickers in a twist Hahren, I'll be leaving soon enough."

She maintains that confident and bossy persona to Ilen and Marethari as well. When the former asks her how the Alienage is, she gives him a confident sarcastic remark about it being sunshines and rainbows. When she knows Hawke is on her side, she tells Marethari about what she wants to do. And when she finds out Marethari spread slanderous lies about her to the clan, she gets fairly livid.

When you take her outside the clan to a world she's never interacted with, then she's going to deal with culture shock. She's never dealt with humans -- Duncan being an exception, though one could argue his being a Warden makes race irrelevant -- or City Elves, so she's unsure of how to best act amongst them.

[Knight of Dane]

Taint Master wrote...

Merrill wasn't that popular. I'd guess we're more likely to see Isabella or Morrigan again.

Really? Morrigan sure didn't turn up in DA2
If people like Sofia Dryden and Sketch can have cameos surely Merrill could as well.

[BouncyFrag]

Rojahar wrote...

I hope she comes back as a zombie, for those of us who killed her.

[l7986]

Rojahar wrote...

I hope she comes back as a zombie, for those of us who killed her.

bad... bad Rojaher. *Slaps with newspaper* now go to your room and think about what you did. lol

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Atemeus wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

I hardened + romanced Leliana too. But you have a pretty bad misconception of what hardening did to her personality. It's about accepting who she is, her love of the life of a rogue and a bard that changes. Hell, she argued with my City Elf when he confronted her beliefs about faith in the Maker even AFTER the sidequest with Marjolaine was resolved and never relinquished her beliefs no matter what you said.

It's the difference between serving Divine Justine because she wants to help the Chantry, or because she accepts her skillset and past were valuable to her, and embracing her role as a skilled spy and saboteur as opposed to the repentant, cloistered sister she pretended to be.

It's more than just just wanting to help or because Divine Justine value her skill. Leliana is one of the Seeker of Truth. She is now the one called Sister Nightingale,  The right hand of  Divine typically chosen from the elite rank of templars. You don't rise from pretended cloistered sister  to the trusted agent of divine when you don't even take your vow as a sister and doubt the Maker. It make no sense. Or did the warden become the Maker himself and force Leliana to finally become devout chantry follower? I know that's not happening in any of my games.  
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Atemeus wrote...

Besides, she's traveling with your Warden throughout Acts 1 and 2 and only split up with you at two points during the years following Origins, 1) During Awakening, when she was summoned to Justine to consider serving her and 2) During Act 3 of Dragon Age 2, many years later and I suspect it is while she was away from you during this time that the Warden goes missing mysteriously, with Hawke following suit not a year later.

And she couldn't figure out where the warden is? What happen to this:

Leliana, " "You are my dearest friend and my love; you lit my path through darkness and I will stand with you, to whatever end. "

Does that dialogue mean nothing to her?

 

Atemeus wrote...

The only thing that seems legitimately debatable at all is the change to Merrill.

Merril in DAO know the danger of ancient ruin and would not go against the first keeper with regard to the mirror shard. Merril in DA 2 has no regard for anyone else safety with her blood magic and naively think the mirror shard should be protected, completely disregard the fact that it turn Tamlen into a zombie.

I guess we could agree to disgree then. 

[CrystaJ]

I'm not a Merrill fan, personally, but I can tolerate having companions with obvious character flaws even if I don't applaud what they're doing.

DAO Merrill was just a generic two-dimensional NPC not meant to have much of an appearance outside of the origin story, and thus she didn't.

DA 2 Merrill reminded me of a teenager who insisted she knew what she was doing when she clearly did not, complete with hissy fits when you didn't give her what she wanted, and her stubbornness and naivete gets someone close to her killed.

Not really selfless or "Liara"-like at all, imo, and there's definitely room for improvement. To her credit, though, I guess she DOES finally realize the creepy murderous mirror is not something you want to poke at (even if it takes YEARS to accept this)... so maybe she'd be less annoying the third time around.

Maybe.

EDIT: I forgot the mirror still exists at the end of the Friendship path. Whoopee.

Modifié par CrystaJ, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[Wulfram]

Narratively, you'd expect Merrill to return if the eluvians are going to play a major role in the future. Which you'd expect them to do, really.

But since she's killable - even if it seems hardly anyone ends up doing so - any future role will likely be limited.

[fchopin]

I do not want to see Merrill in DA3 for any kind of reason or any other elf with the same mindset.
Please start putting intelligent people in games or make sure we can say no to them so they can get lost.

[whykikyouwhy]

fchopin wrote...

I do not want to see Merrill in DA3 for any kind of reason or any other elf with the same mindset.
Please start putting intelligent people in games or make sure we can say no to them so they can get lost.

There have been plenty of intelligent characters in the Dragon Age games - Merrill being one of them. Naivety should not be mistaken for lack of intelligence, rather, it is a lack of experience (in Merrill's case, she was not familiar or comfortable dealing with humans).

And while some companions need to be recruited, it's quite easy to leave them in their respective homes and not incorporate them into your active party. I would wager that DA3 will allow the same sort of functionality.

[fchopin]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I do not want to see Merrill in DA3 for any kind of reason or any other elf with the same mindset.
Please start putting intelligent people in games or make sure we can say no to them so they can get lost.

There have been plenty of intelligent characters in the Dragon Age games - Merrill being one of them. Naivety should not be mistaken for lack of intelligence, rather, it is a lack of experience (in Merrill's case, she was not familiar or comfortable dealing with humans).

And while some companions need to be recruited, it's quite easy to leave them in their respective homes and not incorporate them into your active party. I would wager that DA3 will allow the same sort of functionality.

If you want to think Merrill was intelligent that is up to you, for me she was not and i don't want forced unintelligent people in my team.
 
Maybe if she lived another hundred years she may have developed some intelligence and reasoning but i don't think so, the most likely story is she would be possessed and would be another monster to kill.

[Welsh Inferno]

If its true that theres gonna be Arlathven then I'd say its pretty damn likely she'll at least make a cameo around there somewhere.

BouncyFrag wrote...

I laughed at that way more than I probably should have..  

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 26 novembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Dave of Canada]

I'd certainly hope not.

[Darth Death]

I'm going to laugh hard if she randomly returns, roaming Orlais without a precise purpose.

[Knight of Dane]

fchopin wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I do not want to see Merrill in DA3 for any kind of reason or any other elf with the same mindset.
Please start putting intelligent people in games or make sure we can say no to them so they can get lost.

There have been plenty of intelligent characters in the Dragon Age games - Merrill being one of them. Naivety should not be mistaken for lack of intelligence, rather, it is a lack of experience (in Merrill's case, she was not familiar or comfortable dealing with humans).

And while some companions need to be recruited, it's quite easy to leave them in their respective homes and not incorporate them into your active party. I would wager that DA3 will allow the same sort of functionality.

If you want to think Merrill was intelligent that is up to you, for me she was not and i don't want forced unintelligent people in my team.
 
Maybe if she lived another hundred years she may have developed some intelligence and reasoning but i don't think so, the most likely story is she would be possessed and would be another monster to kill.

Please, there is more than a few instances in the game that displays Merrills intelligence, it is not about thinking; it's game lore fact'.

But this is not the place for such dicussion so I will leave it at that.

[sharkboy421]

Atemeus wrote...

Speaking of cross-game consistency, I'd like to give a shout out to the pidgeon population of Ferelden being in decline.

This would make my day.

But yes, I would love to see more of Merrill in DA3.  She is one of my favorite characters in DA2 and I really, really want to see her again.  But since she was unfortunately not tied in very closely at all with the mage/templar plot, and the fact she can be killed, I doubt she'll have much of a role at all if she is even in the game.  Though I'm still hoping.

[Giltspur]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

StElmo wrote...
What do you think?

I think Merrils personality will be changed radically for the second time if she returns. 

I mean honestly. How does Merrils personality go from confident, slighty bossy, straight edge by the books girl.
To becoming a nervous, quiet, radical, spaz between the events of DA:O to DA2? 

How? I ask. 

I miss DA:O Merril.. 

By being in a new environment.  

Sometimes a person's confidence comes from having a place.  Merrill left her clan and was suddenly surrounded by humans rather than other Dalish that saw her and expected her to be the next Keeper.  She no longer had her feeling of authority.  And so she has to get her confidence from a new place since she could no longer get it from social standing.  So, placed into a new environment, she withdraws into eccentricity, which allows her to be both a spaz and a know-it-all.

Who knows what the writers had in my mind.  But that's my guess.

Modifié par Giltspur, 26 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[alex90c]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd certainly hope not.

This.

[Twisted Path]

They really should avoid bringing characters back who can potentially die in previous games. It gets kind of convoluted (especially with buggy save imports,) and I don't see why they can't just create lots of interesting new characters, what with the games each taking place in a different region.

[happy_daiz]

Honestly, I think a clean slate may be in order. We've already witnessed the imports debacle, it would be nice to not go through it again. I'm fine with bringing back characters if they're essential to the story; but not bringing them back just because someone "likes" them.

And yes, it would be hypocritical for me to not recognize that Cullen would be included in the "probably not essential" list, despite how sad it would make me personally.

I hope BW makes it easier on themselves, and just creates new characters, and focuses on a more coherent story.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:21 .

[Han Shot First]

Please God, no.

Merrill was an awful character and looked like a 12 year to boot.