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[Drakar123]

This is a thread to discuss your thoughts on everything Tevinter.From their culture and history to how you think they are either the worst scum in the world or embodiment of all that is good in humanity.

First let me start off by saying that I absolutely love the Tevinter Imperium.It is by far my favorite nation in Dragon Age.Yes I am a mage supproter but unlike most mage supproters I fully support a mageocracy as a form of goverment.Say what you will of Tevinter but it has by far the best system of goverment in all of Thedas.The only reason the Magisters still don't rule the world is because of how horribly corrupt they are right now.If they weren't fightning themselves,they woud easily be able to reconquer thedas.All it would take is one competent Archon and Tevinter could easily conquer every nation on thedas without ever having to fight them by destroying them from within.

Qunari would be the most susceptible to this actually which is why I am surprised they are even a threat to the Magisters.You don't send your armies to die against an enemy like the qunari.That's just bad tactics.You don't even have to fight them.A society like theirs is extremely easy to destroy from within if you have blood magic.The thing about them is that they never question orders so if you managed to sneak a few of your mages in and have them mind control the qunari leaders you could just have those leaders order a lot of qunari to kill themselves and they would obey without ever doubting the order.They would eventually realise their leaders aren't acting in the best interest of the qun and would replace them but your blood mages who were keeping a low profile would then control those replacements and the qunari would eventually realize that the qun has failed them.Knowing nothing else but the qun their society would quickly devolve into anarchy and once they are done slaughtering each other and they no longer pose a threat you would come in to their lands with your army ,enslave the survivors and take all their stuff.I have a theory about this actually...That the reason the qunari keep their mages in chains(the only occassion where they aren't ''wasting nothing'') is because before they came to thedas the mages tried to sieze power and the qunari could do nothing against mind control.Eventually when it looked like the qun would collapse completely some random qunoran vehl came around and salvaged it and because of that they keep ages in chains.Just a crazy theory on my part though.

Anyway back to mageocracy as a political system.The reason it's so good (even better then every system we have in our world) in my opinion is because it ensures that all the people in power are competent since for a mage to be powerful they would have to be intelligent.It's a lot lke barbarian cultures where the strongest person is the leader but unlike barbarians instead of strength,to be powerful in tevinter you have to be intelligent.Intelligence is unfortunately hard to measure but if somebody is a strong enough mage to make it to magister you can bet they are incredibly smart.This is also the reason Tevinter is responsible for pretty much all magical and scientifical advancements in thedas aside from the qunari.No other nation on thedas has ever invented anything of note while a tevinter magister,someone who would have no reason to fight against blood magic while the chantry does (and has done absolutely nothing to reduce the power of blood mages) invented a counter for every form of mind control.And while it's true that the magisters are corrupt every other nation on thedas is far worse.I mean just look at Orlais.That country has some serious problems.The kind of power nobles have is ridiculous and they don't deserve any of their power.The magisters of Tevinter earned theirs.Hell any system with nobility is bound to be horrible.The chevaliers can murder and rape any commoner in broad daylight without any reprecussions and the orlesian noblity spends most of their time attending fancy parties and indulging in their vanity while the magisters conduct arcane research and do things which are actually important(a mageocracy encourages such behaviour since by doing so you could raise your rank).The whole country of Orlais is collapsing and nobody cares or does anything about it.When a similair thing happens in Tevinter the senate unites to stand against dissention.In orlais nobles talk about how scandalous it is for a noble to wear a certain color of clothing instead.Seriously Orlais would be far better if if the mages instead of being locked up in a circle ruled the country.

Your thoughts ?

[ImperatorMortis]

My thoughts on Tevinter? Its the bee's knee's.

And is arguably the coolest country in Thedas. 

Drakar123 wrote...

Anyway back to mageocracy as a political system.The reason it's so good (even better then every system we have in our world) in my opinion is because it ensures that all the people in power are competent since for a mage to be powerful they would have to be intelligent.It's a lot lke barbarian cultures where the strongest person is the leader but unlike barbarians instead of strength,to be powerful in tevinter you have to be intelligent.Intelligence is unfortunately hard to measure but if somebody is a strong enough mage to make it to magister you can bet they are incredibly smart.This is also the reason Tevinter is responsible for pretty much all magical and scientifical advancements in thedas aside from the qunari.No other nation on thedas has ever invented anything of note while a tevinter magister,someone who would have no reason to fight against blood magic while the chantry does (and has done absolutely nothing to reduce the power of blood mages) invented a counter for every form of mind control.And while it's true that the magisters are corrupt every other nation on thedas is far worse.I mean just look at Orlais.That country has some serious problems.The kind of power nobles have is ridiculous and they don't deserve any of their power.The magisters of Tevinter earned theirs.Hell any system with nobility is bound to be horrible.The chevaliers can murder and rape any commoner in broad daylight without any reprecussions and the orlesian noblity spends most of their time attending fancy parties and indulging in their vanity while the magisters conduct arcane research and do things which are actually important(a mageocracy encourages such behaviour since by doing so you could raise your rank).The whole country of Orlais is collapsing and nobody cares or does anything about it.When a similair thing happens in Tevinter the senate unites to stand against dissention.In orlais nobles talk about how scandalous it is for a noble to wear a certain color of clothing instead.Seriously Orlais would be far better if if the mages instead of being locked up in a circle ruled the country.

Your thoughts ?

These are some really, really good points IMO. 

Its something that I've considered, but not to this extent. I mean most of the countries are either ruled by the strong(not necessarily the smart), or ruled by someone who happened to be lucky enough to be born in the right family  Honestly. The Tevinters have the right idea. Really, the only "negative" thing I can see about their society is the slavery. And most people play up the slavery thing so much, that they seem to ignore the good things about the Imperium. 

You've convinced me OP. I fully support a Mageocracy now. Tevinter seems atleast 10% more awesome at this point. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[xsdob]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

My thoughts on Tevinter? Its the bee's knee's.

And is arguably the coolest country in Thedas. 

Drakar123 wrote...

Anyway back to mageocracy as a political system.The reason it's so good (even better then every system we have in our world) in my opinion is because it ensures that all the people in power are competent since for a mage to be powerful they would have to be intelligent.It's a lot lke barbarian cultures where the strongest person is the leader but unlike barbarians instead of strength,to be powerful in tevinter you have to be intelligent.Intelligence is unfortunately hard to measure but if somebody is a strong enough mage to make it to magister you can bet they are incredibly smart.This is also the reason Tevinter is responsible for pretty much all magical and scientifical advancements in thedas aside from the qunari.No other nation on thedas has ever invented anything of note while a tevinter magister,someone who would have no reason to fight against blood magic while the chantry does (and has done absolutely nothing to reduce the power of blood mages) invented a counter for every form of mind control.And while it's true that the magisters are corrupt every other nation on thedas is far worse.I mean just look at Orlais.That country has some serious problems.The kind of power nobles have is ridiculous and they don't deserve any of their power.The magisters of Tevinter earned theirs.Hell any system with nobility is bound to be horrible.The chevaliers can murder and rape any commoner in broad daylight without any reprecussions and the orlesian noblity spends most of their time attending fancy parties and indulging in their vanity while the magisters conduct arcane research and do things which are actually important(a mageocracy encourages such behaviour since by doing so you could raise your rank).The whole country of Orlais is collapsing and nobody cares or does anything about it.When a similair thing happens in Tevinter the senate unites to stand against dissention.In orlais nobles talk about how scandalous it is for a noble to wear a certain color of clothing instead.Seriously Orlais would be far better if if the mages instead of being locked up in a circle ruled the country.

Your thoughts ?

This is a really, really good point. IMO. 

Its something that I've considered, but not to this extent. I mean most of the countries are either ruled by the strong(not necessarily the smart), or ruled by someone who happened to be lucky enough to be born in the right family 

Honestly. The Tevinters have the right idea. Really, the only "negative" thing I can see about their society is the slavery. And most people play up the slavery thing so much, that they seem to ignore the good things about the Imperium. 

Isn't this a really flawed idea? You know, as in the same flaws that exist in a regular aristocracy that no ones been able to fix?

Flaws, for example, like how mages can become unaccountable since they can show leneancy for thier "fellow intellectuals" and more discrimanatory of the none magic users? Or how the system can become rigged in such a way that only those in power get to have the benefits of the society, while everyone else hast to pay for that success while seeing no benefits? Or what about the glaring flaw that since power is only given to mages, it limits the ides that circulate within the goverment to only be mage-centric, ignoring that most people in the imperium are not mages.

Also, your thesis for this is assuming that all mages who are born are automatically intellegent, ignoring human factors such as the rich bribing their unintelllegent children into a life of luxury, or that only those with magic are allowed to become intellegent since only they are treated to the best in education and the rest of the society gets the second class schools, if any at all.

So basically their society is founded on a paradox, because only a mage can be smart, becasue they were taught to be smart. But in order to be taught to be smart, you first have to be a mage. It's nothing but an exclusionary cycle.

Modifié par xsdob, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

My thoughts on Tevinter? Its the bee's knee's.

And is arguably the coolest country in Thedas. 

Drakar123 wrote...

Anyway back to mageocracy as a political system.The reason it's so good (even better then every system we have in our world) in my opinion is because it ensures that all the people in power are competent since for a mage to be powerful they would have to be intelligent.It's a lot lke barbarian cultures where the strongest person is the leader but unlike barbarians instead of strength,to be powerful in tevinter you have to be intelligent.Intelligence is unfortunately hard to measure but if somebody is a strong enough mage to make it to magister you can bet they are incredibly smart.This is also the reason Tevinter is responsible for pretty much all magical and scientifical advancements in thedas aside from the qunari.No other nation on thedas has ever invented anything of note while a tevinter magister,someone who would have no reason to fight against blood magic while the chantry does (and has done absolutely nothing to reduce the power of blood mages) invented a counter for every form of mind control.And while it's true that the magisters are corrupt every other nation on thedas is far worse.I mean just look at Orlais.That country has some serious problems.The kind of power nobles have is ridiculous and they don't deserve any of their power.The magisters of Tevinter earned theirs.Hell any system with nobility is bound to be horrible.The chevaliers can murder and rape any commoner in broad daylight without any reprecussions and the orlesian noblity spends most of their time attending fancy parties and indulging in their vanity while the magisters conduct arcane research and do things which are actually important(a mageocracy encourages such behaviour since by doing so you could raise your rank).The whole country of Orlais is collapsing and nobody cares or does anything about it.When a similair thing happens in Tevinter the senate unites to stand against dissention.In orlais nobles talk about how scandalous it is for a noble to wear a certain color of clothing instead.Seriously Orlais would be far better if if the mages instead of being locked up in a circle ruled the country.

Your thoughts ?

This is a really, really good point. IMO. 

Its something that I've considered, but not to this extent. I mean most of the countries are either ruled by the strong(not necessarily the smart), or ruled by someone who happened to be lucky enough to be born in the right family 

Honestly. The Tevinters have the right idea. Really, the only "negative" thing I can see about their society is the slavery. And most people play up the slavery thing so much, that they seem to ignore the good things about the Imperium. 

Isn't this a really flawed idea? You know, as in the same flaws that exist in a regular aristocracy that no ones been able to fix?

Flaws, for example, like how mages can become unaccountable since they can show leneancy for thier "fellow intellectuals" and more discrimanatory of the none magic users? Or how the system can become rigged in such a way that only those in power get to have the benefits of the society, while everyone else hast to pay for that success while seeing no benefits? Or what about the glaring flaw that since power is only given to mages, it limits the ides that circulate within the goverment to only be mage-centric, ignoring that most people in the imperium are not mages.

Well yeah there are flaws, but the same can be said for every society. But the thing is aside from having to be a mage, the only way you can get real power in Tevinter is to be powerful, and to be a powerful mage you have to be smart. It is "unfair" to the common citizen, but no more unfair than the Dwarves with their caste system, the Qunari choosing your roles for you. Orlais with their ridiculously corrupt nobility. And Fereldens with their nobility system, and their emphasis on martial prowess over intellectualism. 

Atleast with Tevinters system there is a higher chance that only the most capable people are the ones given real power. And I doubt Tevinters would be that lenient on the other mages or intellectuals. Because they would be seen as a hinderance to their own advancement, especially if they were holding everyone else back.

Its not perfect, but frankly its better than what everyone else has. 

Also like the OP said Tevinters basically the only people besides the Qunari, Circle Mages, and Dwarves that are actually researching, and developing new things for the world.

What are the other humans doing? 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[xsdob]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

My thoughts on Tevinter? Its the bee's knee's.

And is arguably the coolest country in Thedas. 

Drakar123 wrote...

Anyway back to mageocracy as a political system.The reason it's so good (even better then every system we have in our world) in my opinion is because it ensures that all the people in power are competent since for a mage to be powerful they would have to be intelligent.It's a lot lke barbarian cultures where the strongest person is the leader but unlike barbarians instead of strength,to be powerful in tevinter you have to be intelligent.Intelligence is unfortunately hard to measure but if somebody is a strong enough mage to make it to magister you can bet they are incredibly smart.This is also the reason Tevinter is responsible for pretty much all magical and scientifical advancements in thedas aside from the qunari.No other nation on thedas has ever invented anything of note while a tevinter magister,someone who would have no reason to fight against blood magic while the chantry does (and has done absolutely nothing to reduce the power of blood mages) invented a counter for every form of mind control.And while it's true that the magisters are corrupt every other nation on thedas is far worse.I mean just look at Orlais.That country has some serious problems.The kind of power nobles have is ridiculous and they don't deserve any of their power.The magisters of Tevinter earned theirs.Hell any system with nobility is bound to be horrible.The chevaliers can murder and rape any commoner in broad daylight without any reprecussions and the orlesian noblity spends most of their time attending fancy parties and indulging in their vanity while the magisters conduct arcane research and do things which are actually important(a mageocracy encourages such behaviour since by doing so you could raise your rank).The whole country of Orlais is collapsing and nobody cares or does anything about it.When a similair thing happens in Tevinter the senate unites to stand against dissention.In orlais nobles talk about how scandalous it is for a noble to wear a certain color of clothing instead.Seriously Orlais would be far better if if the mages instead of being locked up in a circle ruled the country.

Your thoughts ?

This is a really, really good point. IMO. 

Its something that I've considered, but not to this extent. I mean most of the countries are either ruled by the strong(not necessarily the smart), or ruled by someone who happened to be lucky enough to be born in the right family 

Honestly. The Tevinters have the right idea. Really, the only "negative" thing I can see about their society is the slavery. And most people play up the slavery thing so much, that they seem to ignore the good things about the Imperium. 

Isn't this a really flawed idea? You know, as in the same flaws that exist in a regular aristocracy that no ones been able to fix?

Flaws, for example, like how mages can become unaccountable since they can show leneancy for thier "fellow intellectuals" and more discrimanatory of the none magic users? Or how the system can become rigged in such a way that only those in power get to have the benefits of the society, while everyone else hast to pay for that success while seeing no benefits? Or what about the glaring flaw that since power is only given to mages, it limits the ides that circulate within the goverment to only be mage-centric, ignoring that most people in the imperium are not mages.

Well yeah there are flaws, but the same can be said for every society. But the thing is aside from having to be a mage, the only way you can get real power in Tevinter is to be powerful, and to be a powerful mage you have to be smart. It is "unfair" to the common citizen, but no more unfair than the Dwarves with their caste system, the Qunari choosing your roles for you. Orlais with their ridiculously corrupt nobility. And Fereldens with their nobility system, and their emphasis on martial prowess over intellectualism. 

Atleast with Tevinters system there is a higher chance that only the most capable people are the ones given real power. And I doubt Tevinters would be that lenient on the other mages or intellectuals. Because they would be seen as a hinderance to their own advancement, especially if they were holding everyone else back.

Its not perfect, but frankly its better than what everyone else has. 

Also like the OP said Tevinters basically the only people besides the Qunari, Circle Mages, and Dwarves that are actually researching, and developing new things for the world.

What are the other humans doing? 

Not getting massacured by the qunari because they double crossed all the others nations and didn't make a peace treaty with the qunari, for one.

Not having revolutions against them outbreaking all the time, for another.

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

Not getting massacured by the qunari because they double crossed all the others nations and didn't make a peace treaty with the qunari, for one.

Not having revolutions against them outbreaking all the time, for another.

Nah. Fereldens just have to worry about their nobility starting wars with each other. Orlesians just have to worry about their corrupt nobility, and crappy Empress. And all Antivans have to worry about is the very real chance of being assassinated almost every day.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 26 novembre 2012 - 03:56 .

[xsdob]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Not getting massacured by the qunari because they double crossed all the others nations and didn't make a peace treaty with the qunari, for one.

Not having revolutions against them outbreaking all the time, for another.

Nah. Fereldens just have to worry about their nobility starting wars with each other. Orlesians just have to worry about their corrupt nobility, and crappy Empress. And all Antivans have to worry about is the very real chance of being assassinated almost every day.

And all three get rolled up into the tevinter imperium with the different mage families trying to kill eachother to get more of the power from their fellow mages.

The only difference really is that the other nobles have to use blades to kill eachother, rather than use magic and dream walkers to assassinate eachother.

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Not getting massacured by the qunari because they double crossed all the others nations and didn't make a peace treaty with the qunari, for one.

Not having revolutions against them outbreaking all the time, for another.

Nah. Fereldens just have to worry about their nobility starting wars with each other. Orlesians just have to worry about their corrupt nobility, and crappy Empress. And all Antivans have to worry about is the very real chance of being assassinated almost every day.

And all three get rolled up into the tevinter imperium with the different mage families trying to kill eachother to get more of the power from their fellow mages.

The only difference really is that the other nobles have to use blades to kill eachother, rather than use magic and dream walkers to assassinate eachother.

And that Tevinters are actually doing research, and contributing to their country. Instead of mooching off the peasents. There's also the fact that powerful Tevinters actually had to earn their power. 

While in these other countries you can actually rule a whole nation because you were lucky enough to have the right dad. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 26 novembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[xsdob]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Not getting massacured by the qunari because they double crossed all the others nations and didn't make a peace treaty with the qunari, for one.

Not having revolutions against them outbreaking all the time, for another.

Nah. Fereldens just have to worry about their nobility starting wars with each other. Orlesians just have to worry about their corrupt nobility, and crappy Empress. And all Antivans have to worry about is the very real chance of being assassinated almost every day.

And all three get rolled up into the tevinter imperium with the different mage families trying to kill eachother to get more of the power from their fellow mages.

The only difference really is that the other nobles have to use blades to kill eachother, rather than use magic and dream walkers to assassinate eachother.

And that Tevinters are actually doing research, and contributing to their country. Instead of mooching off the peasents. There's also the fact that powerful Tevinters actually had to earn their power. 

While in these other countries you can actually rule a whole nation because you were lucky enough to have the right dad. 

That is true, but than again same thing can be said for the qunari, who have to earn the right to rise in the ranks of their selected caste. They also do not have bloodline selection, since qunari aren't really raised by a mother or father, but a collective boarding house like system.

They also let you leave without sending assassins out to kill you, they just call you a vashoth and let you live the life you want away from them.

And may I ask the OP to provide an example of how their "research" is helping to better the country and not their own status? I'd really like to know.

Modifié par xsdob, 26 novembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

That is true, but than again same thing can be said for the qunari, who have to earn the right to rise in the ranks of their selected caste. They also do not have bloodline selection, since qunari aren't really raised by a mother or father, but a collective boarding house like system.

Yup the Qunari are similar in that respect, but they do have their own negatives as well. Qunari choose your role for you whether or not you like said role. Also I assume there is a lot of brainwashing, and indoctrination in their society. (For most of them to be people to be THAT unflinchingly loyal.. Jeez.). Also they're society is extremely harsh. Remember Stens discussion about their cultures holiday? The one time of year where they get to celebrate, and stuff?

He mentions that there are sometimes excecutions after the holiday ends to get people back in line. 

xsdob wrote...
And may I ask the OP to provide an example of how their "research" is helping to better the country and not their own status? I'd really like to know.

Oh. I know the answer to this, Even though you were asking the OP. The thing is their research is doing both. Its a lot the the Paragons in Dwarven society. They do something awesome for their people, and get huge mega rewards. A Tevinter Mage may not care that much about the other people, but they'll try to create or discover something awesome to advance themselves. Its selfish, but its the kind of selfishness that everyone benefits from.

Which is to say its the best kind. 

[xsdob]

I hated the dwarves and called for reform every chance I could.

Also, another point the op makes is confusing. If the bloodmages are such a threat to the qunari, thwn why is the imperium lossing the war to them, despite having more bloodmages and experince using blood magic than any other nation.

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

I hated the dwarves and called for reform every chance I could.

Also, another point the op makes is confusing. If the bloodmages are such a threat to the qunari, thwn why is the imperium lossing the war to them, despite having more bloodmages and experince using blood magic than any other nation.

This. I have no idea. Logically the Tevinters should be kicking the Qunari's ass. I honesty don't get it. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:11 .

[xsdob]

I think the op underestimates qunari resistence to demonic influence, magical persuation, and the stregnth of the seerabas.

Remember sten?.Remember how he was able to see through the dmons illusion in the fade, but went along with simply because it was less painful than facing the truth of his dishonor? Qunari dont seem to be fooled by tricks like normal thedians are.

[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

I think the op underestimates qunari resistence to demonic influence, magical persuation, and the stregnth of the seerabas.

Remember sten?.Remember how he was able to see through the dmons illusion in the fade, but went along with simply because it was less painful than facing the truth of his dishonor? Qunari dont seem to be fooled by tricks like normal thedians are.

Yeah the going into dreams thing might not work out, but abilities like Blood Control(Actually controlling your blood!) should be able to work. 

It worked fine for me whenever I fought Qunari in DA:O, and DA2. 

[Drakar123]

 The qunari are no more capable of resisting demons in the fade the any other individual.The reason Sten was capable of this is because he was strong willed enough to realize that what he was seeing wasn't real.Blood Control however can only be resisted by another blood mage who has means to counter the spell and there are also other forms of mind control.A blood mage can implant thoughts in your head without you ever realizing that they aren't your own.Blood Magic can be used to slowly and subtly corrupt someone or outright control them.This is why the Chantry banned it and why he Imperium hasn't(I am aware that they forbade it but they still practice it nontheless).Blood Magic is neither good nor evil contrary to what most people would say.It is a very powerful tool and as such prone to abuse however in tevinter unlike in every other country on thedas you can't just walk into a room full of nobles,mind control them and send the country into a civil war.The Magisters can counter mind control because they themselves are blood mages which is why Tevinter has an advantage over everyone else really.Were it not for the qunari they would have taken back all of their lands long ago.This is why the chantry locks up mages.A single first ehcnanter skilled in blood magic could sieze control of any country in thedas and rule behnd the scenes without anyone ever realizing what is going on.

Anyway back to discussing mageocracy.While at first it may seem to share some of the flaws of a regular aristocracy it is actually a far superior system.Someone said that not all mages are born smart and that because they get a better education they can that way become intelligent and that this would create a cicle where only the mages are intelligent.This is false simply because no matter how educated you are if you aren't intelligent enough you would be incapable of using powerful enough magic to reach a position of power.Even if you know how to perform more spells and know very powerful magic if you yourself don't have the power and skill to actually use them then your education is pointless and other people will overtake you.The current system in tevinter is very competitive and due to this it makes sure that all those unworthy of being magisters never reach a position of power.Even should someone buy their way up they would quickly get replaced by a more worthy individual.How skilled one is at magic is directly linked to how smart the person using it is.Due to this no mage who has ever been Archon of Tevinter(that we know of anyway) has actually been a truly bad leader.No seriously try finding one.On the other hand every other country has had it's fair share of weak kings and figureheads.And an Archon can never be a figurehead simply because to get that position they would have to have been master manipulators and extremelly powerfull mages.And as much as you speak of discrimination in tevinter it is the only country where elves aren't in ghettoes and are treated as utter scum.Tevinter isn't racist or discriminatiory at all.It is a nation that appreciates ability over all else.A way a country should be in my opinion.Yes mages are more able then most people and due to their magic are capable of more then regular people in every field which is pretty much why they should be in power.As a favorite sith lord of mine said ''Equality is a lie.A myth to appease the masses''.All people should hold equal responsability under the law,especially magisters but people don't have equal capabilities and a mageocracy is really the only system where you can make absolutely certain that the people who rule are actually competent.There is also the qun I guess but I like my free will very much and as I said before the qunari are extremely vunerable to blood magic.They know absolutely nothing outside that they should follow orders so even if they realize that their leaders are being controlled they wouldn't be able to do anyhting about it since all they've ben taught is how to fulfill their role.

[Fredward]

^ Dude. You need more paragraphs. Those bricks-o-text are a **** to read. xp

I see no reason the Tevinter Imperium should be better because it is run by mages, there's no reason to think that a mage is better at a mundane at ruling. It does show that mages can rule and keep a country existing through rampant adversity though. It also helps that they can throw fire at people I suppose but that just means mages would be awesome in the army. 

[redneck nosferatu]

DA2 did offer some insight into the Tevinters not being completely evil, and I'd like to see that expanded upon. Mages attempting to escape to Tevinter to master their powers or escape the Templars, the entire situation with Fenris and Danarius, and so on.

It'd be interesting to see lore from the Tevinter point of view, rather than the Orlesian Chantry, and to see more morally gray and even good Tevinter characters who honestly are trying to do the right thing to protect their country. The Imperium is a very, very interesting country; far moreso than Orlais or Ferelden, at least in my opinion. Maybe we'll get lucky, and DA4 will be in Minrathous.

Modifié par redneck nosferatu, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[Warden661]

Just because you're smart and powerful doesn't mean that you're a good ruler. You can be inteligent as well as oppressive. Tevinter is the only country with a legal slave system so I really wouldn't make that a model for everywhere else.

[Drakar123]

I get that a lot...The paragraph thing...And I never said that a mage is more capable of rulling than a mundane.They aren't.A mageocracy does however ensure that the person who does rule is competent and that they have to remain such to stay in power which is more then you can say for most systems.I mean modern democracy is really nothing more then a popularity contest and most politicians either don't care about a country's problems or don't know how to solve them.Anyway since I know people will eventually say how abominations are dangerous and such and that's why mages shouldn't be free it has been stated in game that tevinter has around the same amount of abominations as every other country on thedas.This is the country where blood magic is common place by the way.

[xsdob]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

DA2 did offer some insight into the Tevinters not being completely evil, and I'd like to see that expanded upon. Mages attempting to escape to Tevinter to master their powers or escape the Templars, the entire situation with Fenris and Danarius, and so on.

It'd be interesting to see lore from the Tevinter point of view, rather than the Orlesian Chantry, and to see more morally gray and even good Tevinter characters who honestly are trying to do the right thing to protect their country. The Imperium is a very, very interesting country; far moreso than Orlais or Ferelden, at least in my opinion. Maybe we'll get lucky, and DA4 will be in Minrathous.

I hear we get to have a compainion from the tevinter imperium with us, so hopefully our wishes can be fullfilled. XD so excited if that turns out to be true.

[Drakar123]

I have to ask...Why is no one discussing tevinter culture and history?This thread isn't about mageocracy alone you know...And Tevinter is not a dictatorship.The Archon doesn't hold absolute power like a king does and so is incapable of being truly opressive.He shares power with the senate and should he ever do something which harms the imperium he would quickly get assasinated(like that one Archon who tried to outlaw slavery).No country likes revolts and they tend to happen when the people are opressed.Never mind that magisters have absolutely nothing to gain from opressing the people they rule.

Edit:I have to add that every other country on thedas is much more prone to opressive rulers and they can cause far more damage then an Archon can.I never said mageocracy is perfect,only that all other systems on thedas are far worse.

Modifié par Drakar123, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[xsdob]

Drakar123 wrote...

I have to ask...Why is no one discussing tevinter culture and history?This thread isn't about mageocracy alone you know...And Tevinter is not a dictatorship.The Archon doesn't hold absolute power like a king does and so is incapable of being truly opressive.He shares power with the senate and should he ever do something which harms the imperium he would quickly get assasinated(like that one Archon who tried to outlaw slavery).No country likes revolts and they tend to happen when the people are opressed.Never mind that magisters have absolutely nothing to gain from opressing the people they rule.

What if the archon and the senate came to an agreement, that they would sell out the people and bleed them dry to better their own wealth and power?

Like what happens in real life.

[Drakar123]

Unlikely.Sell them out to whom ?Yes they have slaves for blood magic but it has never been stated that they use blood magic on regular people and they are already wealthy enough to have anything they want.Never mind that having all of those people agree on it would be impossible.Tevinter has been around for over 10000 years.That it hasn't happened already means that the odds of it happening are close to nil.They also have nothing to gain from selling out the people they rule.

Edit:The same thing you are proposing can happen in a regular democracy and is pretty much happening in america right now.Anyone should be able to see that mageocracy is better then every other system on thedas.It's obvious.

Modifié par Drakar123, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[xsdob]

What, exactly, makes you think that the tevinter imperium is somehow more immune to temptations of the earthly realm than any other races?