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[ImperatorMortis]

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Tiger Ace 32 wrote...

I'd rather join the Qunari than be a part of any magocracy. Are you seriously blind to how the magisters use their slaves as experiments and cannon fodder? Seriously being a slave in Tevinter is worse than being poor in any other nation.

Then don't be a slave. Problem solved. My work here is done. 

inb4 someone gets all offended. 

Cause all the black people in america wanted to be slaves right? I'm sure none of them were like "hey guys, I don;t want to do this anymore" and just walk off from being a slave.

Seriously, were you high when you wrote that? You can't not be a slave once you are a slave, that's the entire difference between employment and enslavement.

Its a video game. You think I really give a **** I about the slaves in Dragon Age? I honestly don't care. 

Edit: Well.. I suppose I do care, but not considerably. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[xsdob]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

xsdob wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Tiger Ace 32 wrote...

I'd rather join the Qunari than be a part of any magocracy. Are you seriously blind to how the magisters use their slaves as experiments and cannon fodder? Seriously being a slave in Tevinter is worse than being poor in any other nation.

Then don't be a slave. Problem solved. My work here is done. 

inb4 someone gets all offended. 

Cause all the black people in america wanted to be slaves right? I'm sure none of them were like "hey guys, I don;t want to do this anymore" and just walk off from being a slave.

Seriously, were you high when you wrote that? You can't not be a slave once you are a slave, that's the entire difference between employment and enslavement.

Its a video game. You think I really give a **** I about the slaves in Dragon Age? I honestly don't care. 

Edit: Well.. I suppose I do care, but not considerably. 

Ah, well i do.  I guess we misunderstood eachother huh?

[3043907]

everyone here has some very good arguements but the single most glaring truth of the whole imperium is that their "research" is unethical like imagine the amounts of blood magic they use and also think of all the dangerous experiments gone wrong most importantly the Magister entering the Golden City. and before anyone says anything yes it may have been Dumat or the dread wolf or who ever who told them to do that but still they did it through their research and experiments, but the biggest issue in this is the fact that they have now given that thought to current magisters because face it how doesnt want to go see the black city now adays

[ImperatorMortis]

3043907 wrote...

everyone here has some very good arguements but the single most glaring truth of the whole imperium is that their "research" is unethical like imagine the amounts of blood magic they use and also think of all the dangerous experiments gone wrong most importantly the Magister entering the Golden City. and before anyone says anything yes it may have been Dumat or the dread wolf or who ever who told them to do that but still they did it through their research and experiments, but the biggest issue in this is the fact that they have now given that thought to current magisters because face it how doesnt want to go see the black city now adays

I doubt their research is unethical to them. To them they probably see slaves as no better than lab rats. 

[Medhia Nox]

@ImperatorMortis: And I would be perfectly fine with it - which is to say, I'd oppose them, but at least have the slightest bit of respect for them - IF, when treated in the same fashion, they simply accepted that this is the morality they've chosen.

But - as we've seen - when mages are treated with caution it's "slavery" - but when mages actually enslave other people it's "survival of the fittest".

The Chantry restricts mages - and it's called slavery. The Tevinter Magisters enslave and sacrifice people - and it's called "shades of grey".

The worst form of trendy grimdark - but that's hardly Bioware's doing.

[Plaintiff]

Tevinter works on the same flawed logic as the rest of Thedas, it just fills the blanks in differently.

[ImperatorMortis]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@ImperatorMortis: And I would be perfectly fine with it - which is to say, I'd oppose them, but at least have the slightest bit of respect for them - IF, when treated in the same fashion, they simply accepted that this is the morality they've chosen.

But - as we've seen - when mages are treated with caution it's "slavery" - but when mages actually enslave other people it's "survival of the fittest".

The Chantry restricts mages - and it's called slavery. The Tevinter Magisters enslave and sacrifice people - and it's called "shades of grey".

The worst form of trendy grimdark - but that's hardly Bioware's doing.

That makes no bloody sense. The Mages complaining about this aren't Tevinters. We haven't even seen a Tevinter mages opinion on the Circle, and Templar junk. They just seem apathetic towards it. Tevinter has bigger fish to fry. 

Mage =/= Tevinter. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Medhia Nox]

The first paragraph is one thought - the next is a new thought and mostly unrelated.

The second brake is to comment mostly about the perceptions of gamers.

The first bolded area though - means simply that Tevinter Magisters wouldn't think it was fair if they were at the bottom... and I despise inconsistency. I'd at least be able to stomach respecting them a little if my character crushed them and they were like: "Hey, we didn't want our slaves to complain - it would be unbecoming for us to complain now."

[ImperatorMortis]

Medhia Nox wrote...
"Hey, we didn't want our slaves to complain - it would be unbecoming for us to complain now."

That is a really dumb argument. Of course its hypocritical. No one who does experiments on someone or has slaves ever wants to be in their victims position. 

Doesn't mean they're not gonna do it. 

News Flash: Everyone's a hypocrite on some level. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[Plaintiff]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The first paragraph is one thought - the next is a new thought and mostly unrelated.

The second brake is to comment mostly about the perceptions of gamers.

The first bolded area though - means simply that Tevinter Magisters wouldn't think it was fair if they were at the bottom... and I despise inconsistency. I'd at least be able to stomach respecting them a little if my character crushed them and they were like: "Hey, we didn't want our slaves to complain - it would be unbecoming for us to complain now."

The Tevinter never said their slaves weren't allowed to complain. It's the Chantry and the Qunari who like to pretend that their gross abuses are for their victims' "own good".

[Drakar123]

Since people seem to keep ignoring what I said it looks like I'l have to repeat it...This is a medieval society.Slavery was legal for most of human history and completely morally aceptable.You can not use today's moral standards to judge the tevinter imperium.People also seem to keep forgetting that being a slave to a magister if you aren't being used for blood magic is far better then being a commoner in any other country.Slavery isn't anywhere near as bad as people try to make it out to be.No one today tries to condemn the roman empire as complete monsters because they relied on slavery.Some of the most famous greek philospohers claimed that slavery was completely right and that some people were born deserving to be slaves.They are no less respected today because of it.Tevinter even with it's corruption and slavery would still be the best place in thedas to live in if it weren't for the qunari.Never mind that some form of slavery is pretty much nessecary in a medieval society...They wold outgrow it eventually.

[The Elder King]

Drakar123 wrote...

Since people seem to keep ignoring what I said it looks like I'l have to repeat it...This is a medieval society.Slavery was legal for most of human history and completely morally aceptable.You can not use today's moral standards to judge the tevinter imperium.People also seem to keep forgetting that being a slave to a magister if you aren't being used for blood magic is far better then being a commoner in any other country.Slavery isn't anywhere near as bad as people try to make it out to be.No one today tries to condemn the roman empire as complete monsters because they relied on slavery.Some of the most famous greek philospohers claimed that slavery was completely right and that some people were born deserving to be slaves.They are no less respected today because of it.Tevinter even with it's corruption and slavery would still be the best place in thedas to live in if it weren't for the qunari.Never mind that some form of slavery is pretty much nessecary in a medieval society...They wold outgrow it eventually.

1)There are various people that said that Romans were bad because they relied heavily on slavery. It's one of common cons that I heard about Romans.
2)If we have to judge Tevinter without using today's moral standards, but considering the fact that it's based on a medieval-similar society, than we have to judge ALL the part of Thedas's society without today's moral standards. And if we're going to do that, the mage's treatment in Thedas, for a medieval society, is fair. Hell, our medieval society would've caused a mage genocide.
So I'll continue to say that Tevinter is bad, and that mages should've had more rights.
3)I'd like to point our that the majority of the people in Tevinter, according to the codex entries, live in complete misery, and that their situation is worse than the commoners in other states (and it's not only because of the qunari).

Modifié par hhh89, 29 novembre 2012 - 11:46 .